Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did like destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did like destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
He spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I suppose, to general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I suppose, to >> general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did like >>>> destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.He spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I
suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named after
him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came their
way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to Diogenes
the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian philosophers; https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander didHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
like
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I
suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking to
someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named
after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came
their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to Diogenes
the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do
their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in the
night and GET them.
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did >>>>>> likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I
suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking
to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named
after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came
their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian
philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent
telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do
their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in
the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did like destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
On 12/18/20 1:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote: >>>>>> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did >>>>>>> likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I
suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking
to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named
after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came
their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian
philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent >>> telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do
their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in
the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
That would be silly. “Ivan the Terrible” is a terrible rendition of Ива́н
Гро́зный.
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/20 1:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote: >>>>>>> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did >>>>>>>> likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I
suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking
to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named >>>>> after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came
their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian
philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent >>>> telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do
their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in
the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
That would be silly. “Ivan the Terrible” is a terrible rendition of Ива́н
Гро́зный.
Don’t try and be cute. You’ll end up hanging yourself in the noose of language.
Ива́н = Ivan
Гро́зный = terrible, formidable.
Ива́н Гро́зный; Alexander Severus, commonly known as Ivan the Terrible,
Ivan le Terrible, Ivan der Schreckliche.
Never Ива́н великий or отличный
unlike
Александер отличный
On 12/19/20 4:51 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/20 1:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote: >>>>>>>> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him.Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did >>>>>>>>> likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>>>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I >>>>>>>> suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking >>>>>> to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named >>>>>> after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came >>>>>> their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian >>>>>> philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent >>>>> telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do >>>>> their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in
the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
That would be silly. “Ivan the Terrible” is a terrible rendition of Ива́н
Гро́зный.
Don’t try and be cute. You’ll end up hanging yourself in the noose of
language.
Ива́н = Ivan
Гро́зный = terrible, formidable.
Ива́н Гро́зный; Alexander Severus, commonly known as Ivan the Terrible,
Ivan le Terrible, Ivan der Schreckliche.
Never Ива́н великий or отличный
unlike
Александер отличный
I did not say that Ivan is not called Гро́зный, but that “terrible” is a
bad present-day English translation of Гро́зный.
And my point has nothing to do with Ivan at all, but with the statement (which I have seen in sober accounts) that the name of “Iskander”, after over two thousand years, is still used as a bogey to Desi children.
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/19/20 4:51 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/20 1:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer wrote: >>>>>>>>> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him. >>>>>>>>Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things that Alexander did >>>>>>>>>> likeHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High Priest >>>>>>>>>> came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I >>>>>>>>> suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking >>>>>>> to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was named >>>>>>> after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came >>>>>>> their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian >>>>>>> philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the subcontinent >>>>>> telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do >>>>>> their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in >>>>>> the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
That would be silly. “Ivan the Terrible” is a terrible rendition of Ива́н
Гро́зный.
Don’t try and be cute. You’ll end up hanging yourself in the noose of >>> language.
Ива́н = Ivan
Гро́зный = terrible, formidable.
Ива́н Гро́зный; Alexander Severus, commonly known as Ivan the Terrible,
Ivan le Terrible, Ivan der Schreckliche.
Never Ива́н великий or отличный
unlike
Александер отличный
I did not say that Ivan is not called Гро́зный, but that “terrible” is a
bad present-day English translation of Гро́зный.
And my point has nothing to do with Ivan at all, but with the statement
(which I have seen in sober accounts) that the name of “Iskander”, after >> over two thousand years, is still used as a bogey to Desi children.
“Terrible” has suffered a pretty large meaning shift since it was first used of Ivan. How about “Scary Ivan”?
Is your Iskander actually Alexander? What are Desi children?
On 12/21/20 7:09 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/19/20 4:51 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/18/20 1:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
John W Kennedy wrote:
On 12/18/20 4:23 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
David Amicus wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 1:20:10 AM UTC-8, Ed Cryer >>>>>>>>> wrote:
David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote:I've thought maybe the Hindu war god SKANDA was named for him. >>>>>>>>>
Awhile back we discussed some of the bad things thatHe spread Greek language and culture all over the east.
Alexander did
like
destroying Thebes; I can't remember what else.
Let's talk about the good things. He was pro Jewish. The High >>>>>>>>>>> Priest
came out of Jerusalem to greet him.
Other?
Alexandria grew into a great centre of learning, mostly due, I >>>>>>>>>> suppose, to
general Ptolemy.
--
Ed
I once worked with a Pakistani called Sikander. He heard me talking >>>>>>>> to someone about Alexander The Great, and later told me he was >>>>>>>> named
after him.
In Pakistan they have a myth of a great hero of that name who came >>>>>>>> their way.
You've probably seen lots of pictures of Alexander talking to
Diogenes the Cynic. Well, read about Alexander and the naked Indian >>>>>>>> philosophers;
https://bit.ly/2LAPqkr
On the other hand, I’ve heard stories of mothers from the
subcontinent
telling their children that, if they don’t eat their vegetables, do >>>>>>> their homework, go to bed, etc., Iskander the Terrible will come in >>>>>>> the night and GET them.
You probably misheard for Ivan.
That would be silly. “Ivan the Terrible” is a terrible rendition of >>>>> Ива́н
Гро́зный.
Don’t try and be cute. You’ll end up hanging yourself in the noose of >>>> language.
Ива́н = Ivan
Гро́зный = terrible, formidable.
Ива́н Гро́зный; Alexander Severus, commonly known as Ivan the Terrible,
Ivan le Terrible, Ivan der Schreckliche.
Never Ива́н великий or отличный
unlike
Александер отличный
I did not say that Ivan is not called Гро́зный, but that “terrible” is a
bad present-day English translation of Гро́зный.
And my point has nothing to do with Ivan at all, but with the statement
(which I have seen in sober accounts) that the name of “Iskander”, after
over two thousand years, is still used as a bogey to Desi children.
“Terrible” has suffered a pretty large meaning shift since it was first >> used of Ivan. How about “Scary Ivan”?
“Awesome” seems to be the usual.
Is your Iskander actually Alexander? What are Desi children?
I am not a scholar of Indian folklore, but this is what I have been told.
In Hindi, and in Indian English, “Desi” means “local”. In English outside of India, it means “of Indian-subcontinent origin”. I don’t know
about other locations, but in New Jersey, where there are several
south-Asian colonies, the word is common, used to avoid the difficulties
that arise with “Indian” and “Pakistani”.
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