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  • Plato vs. Aristotle

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 30 18:32:41 2020
    On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-10,

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    https://blog.obiaks.com/190417112630/Comparing-the-Similarities-and-Differences-Between-Plato-and-Aristotle.html

    https://books.google.com/books?id=WP-d4hL05g4C&pg=PA17&dq=%22where+plato+insisted%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_oei_3qvtAhULKuwKHeFrCWgQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=%22where%20plato%20insisted%22&f=false

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Nov 30 21:04:51 2020
    On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:32:42 PM UTC-10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-10,

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    https://blog.obiaks.com/190417112630/Comparing-the-Similarities-and-Differences-Between-Plato-and-Aristotle.html
    https://books.google.com/books?id=WP-d4hL05g4C&pg=PA17&dq=%22where+plato+insisted%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_oei_3qvtAhULKuwKHeFrCWgQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=%22where%20plato%20insisted%22&f=false

    https://books.google.com/books?id=z8Flb0gZ3ZkC&pg=SA12-PA21&dq=%22where+plato%22+aristotle&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjU9eKzgKztAhUSqaQKHYOxBoYQ6AEwAXoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=%22where%20plato%22%20aristotle&f=false

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 11 21:57:22 2020
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-10,
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley

    According to this:

    - According to Plato, reality exists away from the material world, within the world of forms, which can only be viewed with the eye of the mind. Reality, for Aristotle, was right here in this world. It was Aristotle’s elevation of the material realm
    that launched what we think of as science.

    https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/how-plato-and-aristotle-influenced-scientific-thought/#:~:text=According%20to%20Plato%2C%20reality%20exists,we%20think%20of%20as%20science.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 21:51:51 2021
    On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:57:23 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-10,
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    According to this:

    - According to Plato, reality exists away from the material world, within the world of forms, which can only be viewed with the eye of the mind. Reality, for Aristotle, was right here in this world. It was Aristotle’s elevation of the material realm
    that launched what we think of as science.

    https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/how-plato-and-aristotle-influenced-scientific-thought/#:~:text=According%20to%20Plato%2C%20reality%20exists,we%20think%20of%20as%20science.

    That source also says:

    - Unlike Socrates and Plato, his teachers, Aristotle doesn't try to conceptualize a perfect governmental system. He knows that no human creation can be without at least minor faults. He simply strives for the best system possible. Aristotle also
    understands that not every inhabitant of the polis can achieve goodness. Only true citizens, those "who [share] in the administration of justice and in the holding of office," can find good, or happy lives.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 21:49:00 2021
    On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:57:23 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-10,
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    According to this:

    - According to Plato, reality exists away from the material world, within the world of forms, which can only be viewed with the eye of the mind. Reality, for Aristotle, was right here in this world. It was Aristotle’s elevation of the material realm
    that launched what we think of as science.

    https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/how-plato-and-aristotle-influenced-scientific-thought/#:~:text=According%20to%20Plato%2C%20reality%20exists,we%20think%20of%20as%20science.

    According to this:

    - Unlike Plato who believes that only philosophers are capable of determining truth, Aristotle maintains that every human, by nature, has the capability of reason.

    http://www.studyworld.com/studyworld_studynotes/novelguide/thepolitics/themeanalysis.html

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 22:01:39 2021
    On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 9:51:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:57:23 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-10,
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    According to this:

    - According to Plato, reality exists away from the material world, within the world of forms, which can only be viewed with the eye of the mind. Reality, for Aristotle, was right here in this world. It was Aristotle’s elevation of the material
    realm that launched what we think of as science.

    https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/how-plato-and-aristotle-influenced-scientific-thought/#:~:text=According%20to%20Plato%2C%20reality%20exists,we%20think%20of%20as%20science.
    That source also says:

    - Unlike Socrates and Plato, his teachers, Aristotle doesn't try to conceptualize a perfect governmental system. He knows that no human creation can be without at least minor faults. He simply strives for the best system possible. Aristotle also
    understands that not every inhabitant of the polis can achieve goodness. Only true citizens, those "who [share] in the administration of justice and in the holding of office," can find good, or happy lives.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 22:02:54 2021
    On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 9:51:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:57:23 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:39:46 AM UTC-10,
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley
    According to this:

    - According to Plato, reality exists away from the material world, within the world of forms, which can only be viewed with the eye of the mind. Reality, for Aristotle, was right here in this world. It was Aristotle’s elevation of the material
    realm that launched what we think of as science.

    https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/how-plato-and-aristotle-influenced-scientific-thought/#:~:text=According%20to%20Plato%2C%20reality%20exists,we%20think%20of%20as%20science.
    That source also says:

    - Unlike Socrates and Plato, his teachers, Aristotle doesn't try to conceptualize a perfect governmental system. He knows that no human creation can be without at least minor faults. He simply strives for the best system possible. Aristotle also
    understands that not every inhabitant of the polis can achieve goodness. Only true citizens, those "who [share] in the administration of justice and in the holding of office," can find good, or happy lives.

    That source also says:

    - In general, his ideas contrast with Plato in that Aristotle is an empiricist- he understands the importance of active observation to determine the truth. Plato, on the other hand, believes that mere logical inference can establish ideal reality. On
    the whole, Aristotle is more educated in the differing constitutions of separate governments. From these observations, he establishes his world view. Plato, to contrast, spends most of his time in Athens, remaining an ivory-tower critic. Aristotle's idea
    of telos, which allows for human flexibility, contrasts sharply with Plato's idea of the Forms, which are unchanging and only understood by philosophers.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to .com on Sat May 1 15:41:34 2021
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 10:39:46 AM UTC-8, .com wrote:
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley

    - Great steps in human progress are made by things that don't work the way philosophy thought they should. If things always worked the way they should, you could write the history of the world from now on. But they don't, and it is those deviations from
    the normal that make human progress.

    Charles Kettering

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 15 23:43:19 2021
    On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 10:39:46 AM UTC-8, wrote:
    Who was more anti-auhority?

    Also, could Aristotle be thought of as more being about verification, whereas Plato was more about justification?:

    - The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification.

    Thomas Huxley

    Could this concerning THE QUIET AMERICAN also apply to the difference between Plato and Aristotle?:

    The insufficiency of abstract thinking

    - Fowler frequently criticizes Pyle’s abstract thinking for its tendency to oversimplify the complexity of the real world. Whereas Pyle gets his information from books of political theory, as a journalist, Fowler commits himself to collecting concrete
    facts. He thus forms his understanding of Vietnam, its people, and its political conflict from the ground up rather than from the top down. As Fowler insists again and again, too much abstraction reduces complex realities to seemingly simple truths. This
    reduction proves dangerous because it leads one to believe that a complex problem can be solved with a straightforward solution. Fowler sees this belief as the central problem of Pyle’s Third Force theory. Whereas Pyle thinks that democracy will solve
    Vietnam’s problems, Fowler often reminds him that democracies often do not live up to their own ideals. Abstraction enables hasty decision-making and a rushing into action that can have bad consequences. Honoring concrete facts, though more complicated
    and requiring time for thinking and analysis, is necessary to understand how things really work.

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/

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