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  • Jonson 1603 work may contain Shakespeare sonnet

    From marc hanson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 09:27:27 2023
    i just saw this article, but haven't read it yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/23/ben-jonson-play-from-1603-may-contain-lost-shakespeare-sonnet-say-experts


    marc

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  • From marc hanson@21:1/5 to marc hanson on Sat Mar 25 09:25:19 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, marc hanson wrote:
    i just saw this article, but haven't read it yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/23/ben-jonson-play-from-1603-may-contain-lost-shakespeare-sonnet-say-experts


    marc
    this is the sonnet,
    that some experts believe may have been written by William Shakespeare [to Ben Jonson]

    To the Deserving Author

    When I respect thy argument, I see
    An image of those times: but when I view
    The wit, the workmanship, so rich, so true,
    The times themselves do seem retrieved to me.
    And as Sejanus, in thy tragedy,
    Falleth from Caesar’s grace; even so the crew
    Of common playwrights, whom opinion blew
    Big with false greatness, are disgraced by thee.
    Thus, in one Tragedy, thou makest twain:
    And, since fair works of Justice fit the part
    Of tragic writers, Muses do ordain
    That all Tragedians, Masters of their Art,
    Who shall hereafter follow on this tract,
    In writing well, thy tragedy shall act.

    CYGNUS

    marc

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  • From bookburn@21:1/5 to marc hanson on Tue Apr 4 16:58:48 2023
    On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:25:20 AM UTC-8, marc hanson wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, marc hanson wrote:
    i just saw this article, but haven't read it yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/23/ben-jonson-play-from-1603-may-contain-lost-shakespeare-sonnet-say-experts


    marc
    this is the sonnet,
    that some experts believe may have been written by William Shakespeare [to Ben Jonson]

    To the Deserving Author

    When I respect thy argument, I see
    An image of those times: but when I view
    The wit, the workmanship, so rich, so true,
    The times themselves do seem retrieved to me.
    And as Sejanus, in thy tragedy,
    Falleth from Caesar’s grace; even so the crew
    Of common playwrights, whom opinion blew
    Big with false greatness, are disgraced by thee.
    Thus, in one Tragedy, thou makest twain:
    And, since fair works of Justice fit the part
    Of tragic writers, Muses do ordain
    That all Tragedians, Masters of their Art,
    Who shall hereafter follow on this tract,
    In writing well, thy tragedy shall act.

    CYGNUS

    marc

    I notice that l. iv, "The times themselves do seem retrieved to me," shows the "re-creation" motif, which Shakespeare displays abundantly in the sonnetts; although others do to, and it's probably a type of universal. Such symbols of the mirror in nature
    reveal a lot, it seems, about "an image of those times," and maybe the inner expression of the poet and his inspiration? Question is whether this is done unconsciously?

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  • From Margaret@21:1/5 to bookburn on Wed Apr 5 00:36:19 2023
    On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 00:58:50 UTC+1, bookburn wrote:
    On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:25:20 AM UTC-8, marc hanson wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, marc hanson wrote:
    i just saw this article, but haven't read it yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/mar/23/ben-jonson-play-from-1603-may-contain-lost-shakespeare-sonnet-say-experts


    marc
    this is the sonnet,
    that some experts believe may have been written by William Shakespeare [to Ben Jonson]

    To the Deserving Author

    When I respect thy argument, I see
    An image of those times: but when I view
    The wit, the workmanship, so rich, so true,
    The times themselves do seem retrieved to me.
    And as Sejanus, in thy tragedy,
    Falleth from Caesar’s grace; even so the crew
    Of common playwrights, whom opinion blew
    Big with false greatness, are disgraced by thee.
    Thus, in one Tragedy, thou makest twain:
    And, since fair works of Justice fit the part
    Of tragic writers, Muses do ordain
    That all Tragedians, Masters of their Art,
    Who shall hereafter follow on this tract,
    In writing well, thy tragedy shall act.

    CYGNUS

    marc
    I notice that l. iv, "The times themselves do seem retrieved to me," shows the "re-creation" motif, which Shakespeare displays abundantly in the sonnetts; although others do to, and it's probably a type of universal. Such symbols of the mirror in
    nature reveal a lot, it seems, about "an image of those times," and maybe the inner expression of the poet and his inspiration? Question is whether this is done unconsciously?


    Doesn't sound convincingly Shakespeare to me. Possibly someone taking a pop at Shakespeare: "common playwrights, whom opinion blew/Big with false greatness." Or Jonson himself maybe, left for posterity...

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