Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee, and Goose,
how they can be connected logically is an enigma.
ARMADO.
No _Page_, it is an epilogue or discourse to make plain,
Some obscure precedence that hath tofore been fain.
Now will I begin your moral, and do you follow with my _lenvoy_.
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, *being but three.*
Until the Goose came out of door,
Staying the odds by adding four.
First, "being but three" suggests that they're three human beings.
On 1/11/23 7:52 AM, Jim F. wrote:
Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee, and Goose,
how they can be connected logically is an enigma.
ARMADO.
No _Page_, it is an epilogue or discourse to make plain,
Some obscure precedence that hath tofore been fain.
Now will I begin your moral, and do you follow with my _lenvoy_.
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, *being but three.*
Until the Goose came out of door,
Staying the odds by adding four.
First, "being but three" suggests that they're three human beings.No it doesn’t. That reading would be absurdly forced in present-day English, and it is completely impossible the better part of a century
before the phrase "human being" appears for the first time in English literature.
Obtain and read (preferably more than once) C. S. Lewis’s “Studies In Words”, and subscribe to the OED on-line and learn how to use it.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:19:42 AM UTC+8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/23 7:52 AM, Jim F. wrote:
Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee, and Goose,No it doesn’t. That reading would be absurdly forced in present-day
how they can be connected logically is an enigma.
ARMADO.
No _Page_, it is an epilogue or discourse to make plain,
Some obscure precedence that hath tofore been fain.
Now will I begin your moral, and do you follow with my _lenvoy_.
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, *being but three.*
Until the Goose came out of door,
Staying the odds by adding four.
First, "being but three" suggests that they're three human beings.
English, and it is completely impossible the better part of a century
before the phrase "human being" appears for the first time in English
literature.
Obtain and read (preferably more than once) C. S. Lewis’s “Studies In
Words”, and subscribe to the OED on-line and learn how to use it.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
"Wicked Human being the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was for a time the nearest unto him ..."—1608, A plaine and familiar exposition, John Dod (1549?-1645)
OED, being (1.c) "Life, physical existence."LUCENTIO.
Pisa renowned for grave Citizens
gave me my being, and my father first—The Taming of the Shrew, 1623
* * *
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, being but three.
Until *the Goose came out of door,*
Staying the odds by adding four.
The lenvoy is triggered by Costard with a broken shin. This is how:
"I Costard running out, that was safely within,
Fell over the threshold, and broke my shin."
"Costard running out" relates to "the Goose came out of door."
Goose has the usage of a fool.
Costard is a fool in the play, implying that
Goose reflects Costard, or Costard fits a goose's nature.
Similarly, the three animals may map to three persons in this play.
There are three lords in this play: Longaville, Dumaine, and Berowne. Shakespeare let them fit the nature of Fox, Ape, and Humble-Bee,
to build up the first-level connection: animal to character in a play.
On 1/11/23 8:00 PM, Jim F. wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:19:42 AM UTC+8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/23 7:52 AM, Jim F. wrote:
Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee, and Goose,No it doesn’t. That reading would be absurdly forced in present-day
how they can be connected logically is an enigma.
ARMADO.
No _Page_, it is an epilogue or discourse to make plain,
Some obscure precedence that hath tofore been fain.
Now will I begin your moral, and do you follow with my _lenvoy_.
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, *being but three.*
Until the Goose came out of door,
Staying the odds by adding four.
First, "being but three" suggests that they're three human beings.
English, and it is completely impossible the better part of a century
before the phrase "human being" appears for the first time in English
literature.
Obtain and read (preferably more than once) C. S. Lewis’s “Studies In >> Words”, and subscribe to the OED on-line and learn how to use it.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
* * *"Wicked Human being the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was for a time the nearest unto him ..."—1608, A plaine and familiar exposition, John Dod (1549?-1645)John Dod wrote a half-dozen or more books with titles beginning "[A]
Plaine and Familiar Exposition of/on...." Your quotation is from “A
plaine and familiar exposition of the thirteenth and fourteenth chapters
of the Prouerbs of Salomon”, specifically from the first chapter, “CHAPTER XIII” and “Verse. 35.The fauour of a king is toward a wise seruant: but his wrath shall be toward him that causeth shame.”
“VVicked Haman being the worst of all that were about Ahashuerus was for
a time the nearest vnto him, and good Mordecai which was most faithfull,
was most hardlie proceeded against, as being proscribed, and destinated
to death with all the nation that he came of, for his sake, and yet
Haman could not still stand in that high estimation nor Mordecaie lye
long vnder that heauy disgrace, but down must Haman, with the kings indignation into a shamefull destruction, and vp must Mordecay with the kings especiall fauor, to a supereminent place of authority.”
In other words, your “Wicked Human being” is a fantasy born of your own misreading, your ignorance of the Bible, and your inability to see that
your imaginary quotation wasn’t even grammatical. (In present-day
English, we would put a comma between “Haman” and “being”, but it is not
absolutely necessary for interpreting the sentence.)
And now you cannot distinguish among “Life, physical existence”, “Something that exists or is conceived as existing”, and the present participle of the copula. All of these (and a good many other senses)OED, being (1.c) "Life, physical existence."LUCENTIO.
Pisa renowned for grave Citizens
gave me my being, and my father first—The Taming of the Shrew, 1623
are covered by the word “being” in English, but they are not the same.
* * *
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, being but three.
Until *the Goose came out of door,*
Staying the odds by adding four.
The lenvoy is triggered by Costard with a broken shin. This is how:
"I Costard running out, that was safely within,
Fell over the threshold, and broke my shin."
"Costard running out" relates to "the Goose came out of door."
Goose has the usage of a fool.
Costard is a fool in the play, implying that
Goose reflects Costard, or Costard fits a goose's nature.
Similarly, the three animals may map to three persons in this play.
There are three lords in this play: Longaville, Dumaine, and Berowne. Shakespeare let them fit the nature of Fox, Ape, and Humble-Bee,--
to build up the first-level connection: animal to character in a play.
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
What's the difference in meaning? What's wrong in grammar?
1. Wicked Human, being the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was ...
2. Wicked Human being, the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was ...
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC+8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/23 8:00 PM, Jim F. wrote:* * *
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:19:42 AM UTC+8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:John Dod wrote a half-dozen or more books with titles beginning "[A]
On 1/11/23 7:52 AM, Jim F. wrote:
Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee, and Goose,No it doesn’t. That reading would be absurdly forced in present-day
how they can be connected logically is an enigma.
ARMADO.
No _Page_, it is an epilogue or discourse to make plain,
Some obscure precedence that hath tofore been fain.
Now will I begin your moral, and do you follow with my _lenvoy_.
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,
Were still at odds, *being but three.*
Until the Goose came out of door,
Staying the odds by adding four.
First, "being but three" suggests that they're three human beings.
English, and it is completely impossible the better part of a century
before the phrase "human being" appears for the first time in English
literature.
Obtain and read (preferably more than once) C. S. Lewis’s “Studies In >>>> Words”, and subscribe to the OED on-line and learn how to use it.
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
"Wicked Human being the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was for a time the nearest unto him ..."—1608, A plaine and familiar exposition, John Dod (1549?-1645)
Plaine and Familiar Exposition of/on...." Your quotation is from “A
plaine and familiar exposition of the thirteenth and fourteenth chapters
of the Prouerbs of Salomon”, specifically from the first chapter,
“CHAPTER XIII” and “Verse. 35.The fauour of a king is toward a wise
seruant: but his wrath shall be toward him that causeth shame.”
“VVicked Haman being the worst of all that were about Ahashuerus was for >> a time the nearest vnto him, and good Mordecai which was most faithfull,
was most hardlie proceeded against, as being proscribed, and destinated
to death with all the nation that he came of, for his sake, and yet
Haman could not still stand in that high estimation nor Mordecaie lye
long vnder that heauy disgrace, but down must Haman, with the kings
indignation into a shamefull destruction, and vp must Mordecay with the
kings especiall fauor, to a supereminent place of authority.”
In other words, your “Wicked Human being” is a fantasy born of your own >> misreading, your ignorance of the Bible, and your inability to see that
your imaginary quotation wasn’t even grammatical. (In present-day
English, we would put a comma between “Haman” and “being”, but it is not
absolutely necessary for interpreting the sentence.)
And now you cannot distinguish among “Life, physical existence”,OED, being (1.c) "Life, physical existence."LUCENTIO.
Pisa renowned for grave Citizens
gave me my being, and my father first—The Taming of the Shrew, 1623
“Something that exists or is conceived as existing”, and the present
participle of the copula. All of these (and a good many other senses)
are covered by the word “being” in English, but they are not the same. >>> * * *
The Fox, the Ape, and the Humble-Bee,--
Were still at odds, being but three.
Until *the Goose came out of door,*
Staying the odds by adding four.
The lenvoy is triggered by Costard with a broken shin. This is how:
"I Costard running out, that was safely within,
Fell over the threshold, and broke my shin."
"Costard running out" relates to "the Goose came out of door."
Goose has the usage of a fool.
Costard is a fool in the play, implying that
Goose reflects Costard, or Costard fits a goose's nature.
Similarly, the three animals may map to three persons in this play.
There are three lords in this play: Longaville, Dumaine, and Berowne.
Shakespeare let them fit the nature of Fox, Ape, and Humble-Bee,
to build up the first-level connection: animal to character in a play.
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
What's the difference in meaning? What's wrong in grammar?
1. Wicked Human, being the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was ...
2. Wicked Human being, the worst of all that were about Abasbuerus was ...
"Wicked Haman being the worst of all
that were about _Abasbuerus_ was for a time the nearest unto him,
and good _Mordecai_ which was most faithful, was most hardly
proceeded against, as being proscribed, and destinated to death
with all the nation that he came of, for his sake, and yet _Haman_
could not still stand in that high estimation nor _Mordecaie_ lie
long under that heavy disgrace, but down must _Haman_, with the
king's indignation into a shameful destruction, and up must
_Mordecay_ with the king's especial favor, to a supereminent place
of authority."
* * *
Humble-bee is a large wild bee with a loud humming sound.
Humble-Bee refers to Berowne, supported by Rosaline's lines.
ROSALINE.
_Berowne_ they call him, but a merrier man,
Within the limit of becoming mirth,
I never spent an hour's talk withal.
His eye begets occasion for his wit,
For every object that the one does catch,
The other turns to a mirth-moving jest.
Which his *fair tongue* (conceits expositor)
Delivers in such *apt and gracious words,*
That aged ears play truant at his tales,
And younger hearings are quite ravished.
So *sweet and voluble* is his discourse.
But that's all they are. because the entire point of the “enigma” is the silly quibble on "odd" and "even" numbers. Three is an odd number, but* * *
if you add one, it isn’t odd any more. Everybody laugh.
--
Berowne is exceptionally witty, and therefore he is like a humble-bee?* * *
--
But that's all they are. because the entire point of the “enigma” is the >> silly quibble on "odd" and "even" numbers. Three is an odd number, but* * *
if you add one, it isn’t odd any more. Everybody laugh.
--
So you believe Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee are randomly selected?
Berowne is exceptionally witty, and therefore he is like a humble-bee?* * *
--
Berowne is witty and talktive. He is like a humble-bee for
"fair tongue . . . apt and gracious words . . . sweet and voluble"
that other two lords don't have.
Each lord has a specific feature that other two don't have.
Ape is a mimic. Katherine's lines debase Dumaine, "he had no wit."
KATHERINE.
The young _Dumaine_, a well accomplished youth,
Of all that Virtue love, for Virtue loved.
Most power to do most harm, least knowing ill:
*For he hath wit to make an ill shape good,*
*And shape to win grace though he had no wit.*
I saw him at the Duke _Alansoes_ once,
And much too little of that good I saw,
Is my report to his great worthiness.
On 1/13/23 7:54 PM, Jim F. wrote:
I believe there is no reason to think otherwise.But that's all they are. because the entire point of the “enigma” is the* * *
silly quibble on "odd" and "even" numbers. Three is an odd number, but
if you add one, it isn’t odd any more. Everybody laugh.
--
So you believe Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee are randomly selected?
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:54:50 AM UTC+8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/13/23 7:54 PM, Jim F. wrote:
I believe there is no reason to think otherwise.But that's all they are. because the entire point of the “enigma” is the* * *
silly quibble on "odd" and "even" numbers. Three is an odd number, but >>>> if you add one, it isn’t odd any more. Everybody laugh.
--
So you believe Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee are randomly selected?
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
* * *
Why Costard's broken shin leads to a lenvoy is the question.
"Being but three" can mean "life but three,"
three animals, three characters, and three human beings.
Fox, Ape, Humble-Bee can't be at odds (in disagreement);
but three characters, and three human beings, can.
Longaville, Dumaine, Berowne are at odds.
Mapping three animals to them is some enigma.
Some riddle comes after that.
They are "staying" the odds after adding to four.
Odds is the key, not odd number.
At the end of the play, a show of Worthies is performed by
"The Pedant, the Braggart, the Hedge-Priest, the Fool, and the Boy."
Holofernes (Judas Maccabaeus)
Armado (Hector)
Nathanial (Alexander)
Costard (Pompey)
Moth (Hercules)
They are rejected except Pompey by Costard the fool.
DUMAINE.
Most rare Pompey.
BOYET.
Renowned Pompey.
BEROWNE.
Greater than great, great, great, great Pompey: Pompey the huge.
Goose has the usage of a fool. At the end Costard the fool is accepted by lords as Goose joins the three animals to match the "adding four."
Costard as Goose suggests that the three animals reflect three lords in the play.
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