Here, here, here’s an excellent place…
- Pandarus T&C I, ii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ .
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.deSome say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- HLAS FAQ
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore,
as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times
marc
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore,That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as
as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
the tragedian par excellence.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times
marc--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore,That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as
as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
the tragedian par excellence.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times
marc--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
Wikipedia, on "Senecan Tragedy," says that:2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore, as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as the tragedian par excellence.
"Seneca's tragedies were probably written to be recited at elite gatherings, due to their extensive narrative accounts of action, dwelling on reports of horrible deeds, and employing long reflective soliloquies."
Usually, the Senecan tragedy focuses heavily on supernatural elements. The gods rarely appear, but ghosts and witches abound.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times
marc--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore,
as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
the tragedian par excellence.
Wikipedia, on "Senecan Tragedy," says that:
"Seneca's tragedies were probably written to be recited at elite gatherings, due to their extensive narrative accounts of action, dwelling on reports of horrible deeds, and employing long reflective soliloquies."
Usually, the Senecan tragedy focuses heavily on supernatural elements. The gods rarely appear, but ghosts and witches abound.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:--
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times
marc
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On 11/5/22 10:46 PM, bookburn wrote:----
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as >> the tragedian par excellence.
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore, >>> as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
Wikipedia, on "Senecan Tragedy," says that:
"Seneca's tragedies were probably written to be recited at elite gatherings, due to their extensive narrative accounts of action, dwelling on reports of horrible deeds, and employing long reflective soliloquies."That’s my point. There is no need to posit that Shakespeare, in writing “Titus Andronicus”, was trying to seduce the groundlings. He was writing what the educated few (that includes himself) had been taught to accept
as high-brow (remember, in that age, Athens’ golden trio, Æschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides were gathering dust, God knows where).
Usually, the Senecan tragedy focuses heavily on supernatural elements. The gods rarely appear, but ghosts and witches abound.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:--
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times >>>
marc
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-9, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/5/22 10:46 PM, bookburn wrote:----
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-8, john.w....@gmail.com wrote:That’s my point. There is no need to posit that Shakespeare, in writing
On 11/4/22 1:29 PM, marc hanson wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:09:27 PM UTC-4, bookburn wrote:That’s more than is needed. This was an age when Seneca was held up as >>>> the tragedian par excellence.
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-8, gregoryd...@gmail.com wrote:
Blood and revenge are hammering in my head.Some say TA is likely by another, who uses blood and revenge immoderately, especially in the end, too gross for Shakespeare.
- Aaron TA II, iii
http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de
- HLAS FAQ
1. i agree, this play stands out as different, for WS
2. could WS have been trying to get some attention, with all the gore, >>>>> as a relatively new playwright with this play? [current horror movie makers come to mind]
Wikipedia, on "Senecan Tragedy," says that:
"Seneca's tragedies were probably written to be recited at elite gatherings, due to their extensive narrative accounts of action, dwelling on reports of horrible deeds, and employing long reflective soliloquies."
“Titus Andronicus”, was trying to seduce the groundlings. He was writing >> what the educated few (that includes himself) had been taught to accept
as high-brow (remember, in that age, Athens’ golden trio, Æschylus,
Sophocles, and Euripides were gathering dust, God knows where).
Usually, the Senecan tragedy focuses heavily on supernatural elements. The gods rarely appear, but ghosts and witches abound.
3. if i find the time, i'll have to go back and re-read TA;As usual, it’s best to see it done by professionals. The movie isn’t bad.
sometimes you can get a feel for WS, the poetry, his use of non everyday words, etc
from Wikipedia:--
John Heminges and Henry Condell felt sure enough of Shakespeare's authorship to include it in the First Folio in 1623
Gary Taylor has employed stylometry, particularly the study of contractions, colloquialisms, rare words and function words.
Taylor concludes that the entire play except Act 3, Scene 2 was written just after Henry VI, Part 2 and Henry VI, Part 3,
which he assigns to late 1591 or early 1592. As such, Taylor settles on a date of mid-1592 for Titus. He also argues that 3.2,
which is only found in the 1623 Folio text, was written contemporaneously with Romeo and Juliet, in late 1593.
also, George Peele is mentioned as a possible co-author, several times >>>>>
marc
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!
Interesting to factor into the development of tragedy from Greeek Golden Age such as:
1) the medieval practice of jousting and trial by field of honor;
2) practice among nobility of throwing down glove to defend honor;
3) dueling among even middle class, like Ben Jonson killed an actor in a duel;
4) continued practice of adhering to a code of honor, even as Mafia and Japan does today;
5) chaos of revenge and terrorism as developed in public today.
I read of how Queen Elizabeth in about 1594 protested against dueling and killing for revenge,
which was shortly before Shakespeare wrote Hamlet, and that Hamlet has a lot in it about defending honor, revenge, and dueling. Evidently Laertes refused to accept Hamlet's apology and prompted the duel in the conclusion.concept of fatal nemesis. Not sure if Machiavellianism is revealed.
So Shakespeare seems to have used the motif of honor and revenge instructively, supposedly using Hamlet's mask of madness to sort out the "rotten" in Denmark that assassinated his father, but falling victim to madness, or something, maybe Greek
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