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    From bad sector@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 17:53:02 2017
    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to
    display readable font sizes out-of-the-box? I mean I have a 1920x1200
    monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu
    fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
    on a sunny day. Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to bad sector on Wed Nov 1 06:59:35 2017
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a 1920x1200 monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
    on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!


    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
    the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
    stupid things?

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Wed Nov 1 06:04:27 2017
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to
    display readable font sizes out-of-the-box? I mean I have a 1920x1200
    monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu
    fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
    on a sunny day. Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost
    verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!


    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
    the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
    stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I would expect to see some button "force non-kde apps to comply" or
    something similar.

    KDE System Settings
    > Common Appearance and behavior
    > Application Appearance
    > Style = no such
    > Fonts = no such

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to bad sector on Wed Nov 1 06:40:32 2017
    On 10/31/2017 05:53 PM, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to display readable font sizes out-of-the-box? I mean I have a 1920x1200 monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
    on a sunny day. Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed!

    a sample {Sylpheed in this case}:https://tinyurl.com/ycn5nnju

    my study has shades but is a very well lit
    sunny place, so this kind of interface doesn't
    make any points, nor does crap like the GuitarRig5
    with black-and-verydarkgrey as its flag and
    almost only colors.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to bad sector on Wed Nov 1 17:52:06 2017
    On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to
    display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a 1920x1200
    monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu >>> fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable
    on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost >>> verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed! >>>

    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
    the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
    stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my
    mail client, still not had your issue.

    At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Thu Nov 2 06:51:23 2017
    On 01/11/2017 12:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to >>>> display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a 1920x1200 >>>> monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet
    articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the menu >>>> fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable >>>> on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints almost >>>> verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has changed! >>>>

    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
    the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many years >>> in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
    stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my
    mail client, still not had your issue.

    At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

    What kind of screen resolution?

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to bad sector on Thu Nov 2 17:35:31 2017
    On 11/02/17 11:51, bad sector wrote:
    On 01/11/2017 12:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to >>>>> display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a 1920x1200 >>>>> monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet >>>>> articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the
    menu
    fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable >>>>> on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints
    almost
    verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has
    changed!


    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in
    the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many
    years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some
    stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my
    mail client, still not had your issue.

    At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

    What kind of screen resolution?

    2 * 1920 x 1200 powered by a nVidia 750 using nouveau driver.

    --

    //Aho

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Tue Nov 7 21:50:19 2017
    On 11/02/2017 12:35 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/02/17 11:51, bad sector wrote:
    On 01/11/2017 12:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike) apps to >>>>>> display readable font sizes out-of-the-box? I mean I have a 1920x1200 >>>>>> monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet >>>>>> articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the >>>>>> menu
    fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about unreadable >>>>>> on a sunny day. Not only that, but I remember reading complaints
    almost
    verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has
    changed!


    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in >>>>> the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many
    years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some >>>>> stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my
    mail client, still not had your issue.

    At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

    What kind of screen resolution?

    2 * 1920 x 1200 powered by a nVidia 750 using nouveau driver.


    1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

    in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
    This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

    For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

    nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

    but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
    if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to bad sector on Wed Nov 8 07:08:22 2017
    On 11/08/17 03:50, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/02/2017 12:35 PM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/02/17 11:51, bad sector wrote:
    On 01/11/2017 12:52, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/01/17 11:04, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/01/2017 01:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 10/31/17 22:53, bad sector wrote:

    Is KDE ever going to facilitate non-kde (i.e. mstly gnomelike)
    apps to
    display readable font sizes out-of-the-box?  I mean I have a
    1920x1200
    monitor which is no screaming hell these days, I'm looking at usenet >>>>>>> articles on the WORLD's most popular usenet reader (T-Bird) and the >>>>>>> menu
    fonts are like 3 mm in HEIGHT, hairline thin and just about
    unreadable
    on a sunny day.  Not only that, but I remember reading complaints >>>>>>> almost
    verbatim like this more than 10 years ago and still fuckall has
    changed!


    Tried with Settings:Application Style/Gnome Application Style ?
    Also thunderbird is affected of custom css in the chrome directory in >>>>>> the profile directory.

    I have never had your issue, been using thunderbird for quite many >>>>>> years
    in KDE environment, maybe it's just your distribution which does some >>>>>> stupid things?


    I've seen this mostly on Suse which I've usd 98% of the time.

    I been using SuSe for the last year at work and using thunderbird as my >>>> mail client, still not had your issue.

    At work I haven't even bothered to configure Gnome applications.

    What kind of screen resolution?

    2 * 1920 x 1200 powered by a nVidia 750 using nouveau driver.


    1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

    in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
    This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

    For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

    nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

    but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
    if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

    At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
    any more, ~/.Xdefaults :

    Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20 Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100 Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100

    Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time, not sure if it's from my
    university time when I used Netscape 1.2 on SunOS or if this from the
    time I ran Netscape 4 on RedHat 7. Keep in mind I do not have this at work.

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    //Aho

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Wed Nov 8 19:43:52 2017
    On 11/08/2017 01:08 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/08/17 03:50, bad sector wrote:

    1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

    in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
    This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

    For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

    nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

    but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
    if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

    At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
    any more, ~/.Xdefaults :

    Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20 Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100 Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100

    I don't have this file at all, created one like it but it seems to have
    no effect. I don't think there's anything called Netscape in there anymore.

    T-Bird isn't the worst offender actually, Nedit and Syplpheed are.

    Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time

    So did I! It WAS the best thing going by far.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to bad sector on Thu Nov 9 06:59:14 2017
    On 11/09/17 01:43, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/08/2017 01:08 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/08/17 03:50, bad sector wrote:

    1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

    in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
    This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

    For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

    nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

    but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
    if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

    At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
    any more, ~/.Xdefaults :

    Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20
    Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100
    Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100

    I don't have this file at all, created one like it but it seems to have
    no effect.  I don't think there's anything called Netscape in there
    anymore.

    A long shot could be to just ignore the "Netscape" part, but I really
    doubt that would give any change.


    T-Bird isn't the worst offender actually, Nedit and Syplpheed are.

    That is two applications I don't use, I did see something about that
    they changed canvas painter in mozilla products, switching from away
    from cairo to skia, this could in some cases give bad fonts, but
    shouldn't affect other applications.

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167092


    Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time

    So did I!  It WAS the best thing going by far.

    I liked 1.2 I think, mainly the newsgroups reader built in, later
    version the messed it up and then that damn frames tag came and internet started to become a lot crappier :P


    --

    //Aho

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Thu Nov 9 11:54:51 2017
    On 11/09/2017 12:59 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/09/17 01:43, bad sector wrote:
    On 11/08/2017 01:08 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
    On 11/08/17 03:50, bad sector wrote:

    1920x1200 & Nvidia 640

    in KDE I set font size 10 for everything (12 for title bars).
    This works out ok excecpt for the cited non-kde apps.

    For nedit I have to append to /etc/X11/Xresources

    nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--22-*-*-*-*-*-*

    but for the menu font that has no effect and I'm not sure
    if it has any effect at all with Splashma5

    At home I have some weird things configured, and most likely no effect
    any more, ~/.Xdefaults :

    Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement: 20
    Netscape*documentFonts.xResolution*iso-8859-1: 100
    Netscape*documentFonts.yResolution*iso-8859-1: 100

    I don't have this file at all, created one like it but it seems to have
    no effect. I don't think there's anything called Netscape in there
    anymore.

    A long shot could be to just ignore the "Netscape" part, but I really
    doubt that would give any change.


    T-Bird isn't the worst offender actually, Nedit and Syplpheed are.

    That is two applications I don't use, I did see something about that
    they changed canvas painter in mozilla products, switching from away
    from cairo to skia, this could in some cases give bad fonts, but
    shouldn't affect other applications.

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167092


    Yes, I did use Netscape once in the time

    So did I! It WAS the best thing going by far.

    I liked 1.2 I think, mainly the newsgroups reader built in, later
    version the messed it up and then that damn frames tag came and internet started to become a lot crappier :P


    Usenet itself is falling to pieces due to googlegroups and the
    profitability of other web hosted forums. I started off on Compuserve
    before there was internet (I think) but when I initially came to usenet
    you could attach small media files without going to binary groups. That
    went on for many years, there was no abuse, at least not for a good
    while. Netscape could handle browsing, email, usenet, composition all in
    one app. I still use the Navigator icon, edited for Tor even :-)


    https://tinyurl.com/ycn5nnju [top right]

    ...AND I'm still waiting for Splashma5 to give me panels of comparable
    content & quality.

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