• RIP: Joerg Schilling

    From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 17:42:07 2021
    Jörg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 22:58:36 2021
    On 11.10.2021 at 17:42, Christian Weisgerber scribbled:

    Jörg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html

    Rest in peace, Jörg, and thank you for your many contributions to the
    free & open source software community. You have truly made a difference
    for the better in this world.

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Mon Oct 11 21:01:45 2021
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    J?rg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.
    <snip>

    Sad to hear and he was too young. Rest in peace.

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  • From andrew@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Tue Oct 12 04:56:22 2021
    On 2021-10-11, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    Jrg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    One of the great individuals of our Linux world, my thoughts to his
    family and friends...

    Andrew

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Thu Oct 14 15:38:28 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:58:36 +0200
    Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
    On 11.10.2021 at 17:42, Christian Weisgerber scribbled:

    Jörg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html

    Rest in peace, Jörg, and thank you for your many contributions to the
    free & open source software community. You have truly made a difference
    for the better in this world.

    Fully agree. He has made contributions on usenet too including this group.
    Rest in peace.

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 14 19:52:35 2021
    On 14.10.2021 at 15:38, Spiros Bousbouras scribbled:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:58:36 +0200
    Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
    On 11.10.2021 at 17:42, Christian Weisgerber scribbled:

    Jörg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html


    Rest in peace, Jörg, and thank you for your many contributions to
    the free & open source software community. You have truly made a difference for the better in this world.

    Fully agree. He has made contributions on usenet too including this
    group. Rest in peace.

    He was in many GNU/Linux and UNIX newsgroups, even going back as far as
    the year 2000, which is when I first "met" him, Usenet-wise. He was
    always helpful and informative, and many people are still using his
    cdrtools software — myself included.


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    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Fri Oct 15 00:53:14 2021
    On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:52:35 +0200
    Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
    On 14.10.2021 at 15:38, Spiros Bousbouras scribbled:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:58:36 +0200
    Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
    On 11.10.2021 at 17:42, Christian Weisgerber scribbled:

    Jörg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html


    Rest in peace, Jörg, and thank you for your many contributions to
    the free & open source software community. You have truly made a difference for the better in this world.

    Fully agree. He has made contributions on usenet too including this
    group. Rest in peace.

    He was in many GNU/Linux and UNIX newsgroups, even going back as far as
    the year 2000, which is when I first "met" him, Usenet-wise. He was
    always helpful and informative, and many people are still using his
    cdrtools software — myself included.

    I use cdrtools myself very often. It only occurred to me after I made
    my previous reply. This is the first time as far as I can remember that
    someone whose code I use has died so it was a shock for me. I guess the
    open source movement is relatively young.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Fri Oct 15 11:49:42 2021
    On 15.10.2021 02:53, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    I guess the open source movement is relatively young.

    I had my first contact with Open Source tools during the late 1980's.
    Marking the FSF (Free Software Foundation) founding institutionally
    as a sensible starting point (1985) I wouldn't call that "young",
    in the fast evolving IT context even less. I'm glad the movement had
    not only stayed alive for so long but even flourished and is now every
    day an inherent part of (not necessarily knowingly) everyone's live.

    Janis

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Fri Oct 15 13:59:25 2021
    On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:49:42 +0200
    Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15.10.2021 02:53, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    I guess the open source movement is relatively young.

    I had my first contact with Open Source tools during the late 1980's.
    Marking the FSF (Free Software Foundation) founding institutionally
    as a sensible starting point (1985) I wouldn't call that "young",
    in the fast evolving IT context even less.

    It is young relative to the average human lifespan. As for IT evolving fast , new fashions (or "technologies") certainly appear at a quick pace but a lot
    of the old also stick around. Unix , Fortran and COBOL are older than open source (by decades for the last 2) and are still going strong.

    I'm glad the movement had
    not only stayed alive for so long but even flourished and is now every
    day an inherent part of (not necessarily knowingly) everyone's live.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Sat Oct 16 13:13:12 2021
    On 15.10.2021 15:59, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:49:42 +0200
    Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15.10.2021 02:53, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    I guess the open source movement is relatively young.

    I had my first contact with Open Source tools during the late 1980's.
    Marking the FSF (Free Software Foundation) founding institutionally
    as a sensible starting point (1985) I wouldn't call that "young",
    in the fast evolving IT context even less.

    It is young relative to the average human lifespan.

    Well, it's still 35+ years, about two generations! (Even to human
    lifespan that's a pretty long period. YMMV, of course.)

    As for IT evolving fast ,
    new fashions (or "technologies") certainly appear at a quick pace but a lot of the old also stick around. Unix , Fortran and COBOL are older than open source (by decades for the last 2) and are still going strong.

    Lambda-Calculus or the first automatisms are even older. Not sure what
    the reference to these two languages helps for the argument. They have
    at best a relevance in legacy systems (that no one dares to touch) and
    long grown libraries (that are primarily just called from other modern languages). Only few people keep them alive, competent people who know
    these languages are rare, switched platform and languages, or died. It
    is therefore difficult to get things competently done with these old
    languages, as far as I can tell from my experiences. YMMV. But I don't
    intend to extend the argument with you on that, if only since "young"
    is anyway an undetermined characterization and lies in the eye of the
    beholder.


    I'm glad the movement had
    not only stayed alive for so long but even flourished and is now every
    day an inherent part of (not necessarily knowingly) everyone's live.

    The only thing I wanted to express here was that I was really astonished
    how long that movement already existed. While I already knew it was long existing, pondering about it in the context of the original thread topic
    made it obvious (to me) how many years passed since its origin and
    commanded even more deep respect for the open source movement.

    Janis

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  • From William Unruh@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sun Oct 17 15:00:59 2021
    On 2021-10-16, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15.10.2021 15:59, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:49:42 +0200
    Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15.10.2021 02:53, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    I guess the open source movement is relatively young.

    I had my first contact with Open Source tools during the late 1980's.
    Marking the FSF (Free Software Foundation) founding institutionally
    as a sensible starting point (1985) I wouldn't call that "young",
    in the fast evolving IT context even less.

    It is young relative to the average human lifespan.

    Well, it's still 35+ years, about two generations! (Even to human
    lifespan that's a pretty long period. YMMV, of course.)

    As for IT evolving fast ,
    new fashions (or "technologies") certainly appear at a quick pace but a lot >> of the old also stick around. Unix , Fortran and COBOL are older than open >> source (by decades for the last 2) and are still going strong.

    Lambda-Calculus or the first automatisms are even older. Not sure what
    the reference to these two languages helps for the argument. They have
    at best a relevance in legacy systems (that no one dares to touch) and
    long grown libraries (that are primarily just called from other modern

    Fortran is stillthe language of choice for people doing numerical work
    It is not legacy.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to William Unruh on Sun Oct 17 19:54:48 2021
    On 17.10.2021 17:00, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2021-10-16, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15.10.2021 15:59, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    [ Fortran and COBOL ]

    [...] Not sure what
    the reference to these two languages helps for the argument. They have
    at best a relevance in legacy systems (that no one dares to touch) and
    long grown libraries (that are primarily just called from other modern

    Fortran is stillthe language of choice for people doing numerical work

    Really? Still? Where? Any why?

    It is not legacy.

    We spoke about two languages and I suggested two categories.

    COBOL has "relevance in legacy systems". Having it still running
    on old mainframes in the financial sector, and being continuously
    standardized, doesn't make these _systems_ non-legacy. It's only
    practically impossible to replace them, maintenance is expensive,
    people with COBOL competence rare. Companies in that sector tried
    to replace these systems for long but the long time grown, often
    not sufficiently documented software is critical yet to be touched.

    Fortran has "relevance in long grown libraries", the second category
    I mentioned. There are long time established libraries specifically
    for numerical computation since decades and still in active use. Yes.

    Or did you mean that for some people Fortran is also the language of
    choice to do the programming around these libraries? Well, if so - as
    someone with CS background and who has programmed in Fortran and knows
    that language -, I can just shake my head. Why would one want to code
    in Fortran, nowadays? Seriously asked.

    But, frankly, I don't know how big the user community these days is.
    Do you know it?

    Though, in that formulated generality it's anyway not true. My children,
    for example, are working in geophysics, do heavy numerical simulation
    work and also occasionally (where necessary) use Fortran libraries, but
    their preference to do the programming around the libraries are clearly
    other languages, ranging from C++ to Python. (Note: that's of course not
    their personal preference - they are no CS professionals - but that just reflects the situation at the two large universities hereabouts.) That's
    why I am astonished about your statement.

    Janis

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 17 19:07:26 2021
    On 17.10.2021 17:00, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2021-10-16, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    <snip>

    Fortran is stillthe language of choice for people doing numerical work

    Really? Still? Where? Any why?
    <snip>

    In Linux Questions someone just got a job working with
    Fortran on HP/UX, Quote:

    "As it is I am back to Fortran and Unix. Happy days"

    So at least one place is looking for Fortran.

    Link to thread in https://www.linuxquestions.org
    https://tinyurl.com/4sbms2e4

    With all I have been reading about people leaving due to covid,
    I would guess many of these jobs will become available.

    John

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Mon Oct 18 01:45:42 2021
    On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:54:48 +0200
    Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Fortran has "relevance in long grown libraries", the second category
    I mentioned. There are long time established libraries specifically
    for numerical computation since decades and still in active use. Yes.

    Or did you mean that for some people Fortran is also the language of
    choice to do the programming around these libraries? Well, if so - as
    someone with CS background and who has programmed in Fortran and knows
    that language -, I can just shake my head. Why would one want to code
    in Fortran, nowadays? Seriously asked.

    Because one likes the built-in facilities for parallel programming ; or
    because one likes the facilities for modules and OOP better than the
    analogous for C++ .

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  • From Charlie Roberts@21:1/5 to naddy@mips.inka.de on Mon Dec 6 20:39:15 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:42:07 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    Jrg Schilling, aka "schily", has died from cancer.

    For those who can read German: >https://twitter.com/FUZxxl/status/1447319844295254020 >https://www.heise.de/news/Nachruf-Open-Source-Welt-trauert-um-Joerg-Schilling-6214446.html

    Thank you for letting us know. It is a shock as he was young. I
    started to use his CD writing tool, cdrecord, in the late 90s and had
    a few email exchanges trying to clear things up. He was curt, but
    always helpful and resolved all my issues.

    It looks like this happened some time ago.

    https://marketresearchtelecast.com/obituary-the-open-source-world-mourns-jorg-schilling/176251/

    The Wikipedia page for cdrtools aslo mentions the date as
    10 Oct 2021.

    Very tragic. RIP.

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