Are there any basic/simple tutorials/HOWTOs that might help setup
shared ZFS partition for FreeBSD & Slackware (current verisons
of each)?
All I've seen is extremely complicated texts for extra-advanced
usage. I wish it was as simple as newfs/mkfs. All I need is
journalling; not 100 fancy ZFS features (no compression; no snapshots,
etc.)
I tried it years ago, but things have changed... last time I had to
research weeks/months, get help for hours, and it was an hours/days
project just to learn and install (trial & error)... after a few
tries, had to make ZFS on Slackware first (wouldn't work vice-versa)
then setup to use the set features on FreeBSD. If I recall correctly
(IIRC) it involved scrolling through a list of maybe 100 feature sets
both supported, then using the intersection.
It's like building & running your own filesystem (fs) OS in each;
wish it'd be simple enough to use with the given fs tools rather than
running an entire additional software for fs. But as long as *BSD & GNU/Linux only have experimental (unsafe) write support of other's fs
(UFS, EXT4) ZFS is the only option?
Are list.freebsd.questions,mailing.freebsd.questions, etc., no longer
part of Usenet?
I tried it years ago, but things have changed... last time I had to
research weeks/months, get help for hours, and it was an hours/days
project just to learn and install (trial & error)... after a few tries,
had to make ZFS on Slackware first (wouldn't work vice-versa) then setup
to use the set features on FreeBSD. If I recall correctly (IIRC) it
involved scrolling through a list of maybe 100 feature sets both
supported, then using the intersection.
Are list.freebsd.questions,mailing.freebsd.questions, etc., no longer part
of Usenet?
On Wed, 13 May 2020 08:10:22 +0000, David Chmelik wrote:
Are list.freebsd.questions,mailing.freebsd.questions, etc., no longer part >> of Usenet?
The mailing lists and their archives still exits and are living.
I have no idea if anyone is running them through a mail to
usenet gateway though.
A quick query on your search engine of choice would have found
https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
which has a link on the page to the archive.
If you want to do it through usenet, see if gmane carries the
lists and if so, add the gmane server to your newsreader.
On 5/13/20 2:10 AM, David Chmelik wrote:
Are there any basic/simple tutorials/HOWTOs that might help setup
shared ZFS partition for FreeBSD & Slackware (current verisons of
each)?
[...] Do you mean concurrent access, like a clustered file system?
Or simply a single block device / file system that each can access when booted one at a time?
[...] To whit, what do you want to do? What is your use case? (Please describe independent of any possible solution.)
[...] > [...]
I think I've read that FreeBSD now uses ZFS on Linux as it's source of
ZFS. (This may be because FreeBSD ZFS efforts were pushed back into ZFS
on Linux and joint community development is happening there now.)
[...] >> [...] > [...]
I would bet that both FreeBSD and Linux both support FAT-12 / FAT-16 / FAT-32. ;-) But perhaps they won't do what you want.
I'd be somewhat surprised if FreeBSD can't read and write to NTFS. As
such, I expect that to be another option.
[...] >> [...] > [...]
Are there any basic/simple tutorials/HOWTOs that might help setup
shared ZFS partition for FreeBSD & Slackware (current verisons of
each)?
[...] Do you mean concurrent access, like a clustered file system?
Don't know what that is. Not concurrent.
My own (single-user) PC/workstation dual-boot, as programmer/scientist
also doing more 'user' things: access my user-type data (/home,) that mostly/all doesn't affect running operating system (OS) distribution...
Are there any basic/simple tutorials/HOWTOs that might help setup
shared ZFS partition for FreeBSD & Slackware (current verisons of
each)?
All I've seen is extremely complicated texts for extra-advanced
usage. I wish it was as simple as newfs/mkfs. All I need is
journalling; not 100 fancy ZFS features (no compression; no
snapshots, etc.)
I tried it years ago, but things have changed... last time I had to
research weeks/months, get help for hours, and it was an hours/days
project just to learn and install (trial & error)... after a few
tries, had to make ZFS on Slackware first (wouldn't work vice-versa)
then setup to use the set features on FreeBSD. If I recall correctly
(IIRC) it involved scrolling through a list of maybe 100 feature sets
both supported, then using the intersection.
It's like building & running your own filesystem (fs) OS in each;
wish it'd be simple enough to use with the given fs tools rather than
running an entire additional software for fs. But as long as *BSD & GNU/Linux only have experimental (unsafe) write support of other's fs
(UFS, EXT4) ZFS is the only option?
Are list.freebsd.questions,mailing.freebsd.questions, etc., no longer
part of Usenet?
On Wed, 13 May 2020 08:10:22 -0000 (UTC)
David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there any basic/simple tutorials/HOWTOs that might help setup
shared ZFS partition for FreeBSD & Slackware (current verisons of
each)? [...]
[...] I think your going about it wrong. You don't store separate
operating systems in the same ZFS, but a separate ZFS within in same
ZPOOL. For example, your z filesystems should look something like this:
zpool zpool:ROOT zpool:ROOT:slackware141 zpool:ROOT:slackware142 zpool:ROOT:freebsd12 zpool:ROOT:beowulf zpool:home zpool:home:jdoe zpool:home:alice zpool:randomjunk
btw, zpool:ROOT should be marked non-mountable. In this configuration
you just select with a zfs-capable bootloader which zfs to mount as your
root filesystem, and then you can share home directories and other
datasets between the operating systems. It also allows you to rollback
any botched operating system upgrade and such. As for how compatible ZFSonLinux and freebsd's zfs is I'm not sure and you'll have to test for yourself.
In lack of other common supported file system with journaling, why not
simply put your /home on an NFS server like a NAS or other unix server
in your network? [...]
On 14/05/2020 01:44 am, DaveG wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 08:10:22 +0000, David Chmelik wrote:
Are list.freebsd.questions,mailing.freebsd.questions, etc., no longer
part of Usenet?
The mailing lists and their archives still exits and are living.
I have no idea if anyone is running them through a mail to usenet
gateway though.
[...] If you want to do it through usenet, see if gmane carries the
lists and if so, add the gmane server to your newsreader.
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