In my 13.2-p9 I have llvm12,llvm13,and llvm15@default
installed,and apparently there are versions out to llvm18
in the ports collection along with an llvm-devel.

Is it possible to standardize on one at a time or do
individual ports dependences require different
versions?

When (in my trailing-edge policy) I eventually move
from an EOL 13.4 to 14.2 will the older LLVMs stop
working or being needed?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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On 2024-02-16, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

In my 13.2-p9 I have llvm12,llvm13,and llvm15@default
installed,and apparently there are versions out to llvm18
in the ports collection along with an llvm-devel.

Do you build from ports or do you install packages?

Is it possible to standardize on one at a time or do
individual ports dependences require different
versions?

Certain ports are tied to specific versions from time to time. This
keeps changing. I'm on 14.0-STABLE with llvm17 as the base system
compiler, and I only have an additional llvm15 installed, which was
still required for building firefox the last time I checked.

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

On 2024-02-16, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

In my 13.2-p9 I have llvm12,llvm13,and llvm15@default
installed,and apparently there are versions out to llvm18
in the ports collection along with an llvm-devel.

Do you build from ports or do you install packages?

Initial install usually from ports and subsequent
maintenance by synth and pkg upgrade with the synth
repository.

Is it possible to standardize on one at a time or do
individual ports dependences require different
versions?

Certain ports are tied to specific versions from time to time. This
keeps changing. I'm on 14.0-STABLE with llvm17 as the base system
compiler, and I only have an additional llvm15 installed, which was
still required for building firefox the last time I checked.

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

Hm,looks like llvm12 is now gone.
I have llvm13-13.0.1_7 and llvm15-15.0.7_10 in place.

I have upgraded the base OS to 13.2-RELEASE-p10.

Would llvm versions past 15 work?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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On 2024-02-19, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

Hm,looks like llvm12 is now gone.
I have llvm13-13.0.1_7 and llvm15-15.0.7_10 in place.

My low-effort approach is this: When I see that the llvm ports will
be rebuilt anyway, I deinstall them. The ones actually required
as dependencies will come back, at no extra compile cost.

I have upgraded the base OS to 13.2-RELEASE-p10.

Would llvm versions past 15 work?

Work for what?
If a certain port has a fixed dependency on a particular llvm version
then having newer llvm versions installed doesn't affect this. For
instance, Firefox and Mesa require llvm15 at the moment.

Grepping for LLVM_VERSION over the ports tree shows that for all
llvm versions from 11 to 16, there's at least one port that wants
this particular version.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

On 2024-02-19, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

Hm,looks like llvm12 is now gone.
I have llvm13-13.0.1_7 and llvm15-15.0.7_10 in place.

My low-effort approach is this: When I see that the llvm ports will
be rebuilt anyway, I deinstall them. The ones actually required
as dependencies will come back, at no extra compile cost.

I have upgraded the base OS to 13.2-RELEASE-p10.

Would llvm versions past 15 work?

Work for what?
If a certain port has a fixed dependency on a particular llvm version
then having newer llvm versions installed doesn't affect this. For
instance, Firefox and Mesa require llvm15 at the moment.

I have them running,I assume at some point they switched to it
from llvm13.

Grepping for LLVM_VERSION over the ports tree shows that for all
llvm versions from 11 to 16, there's at least one port that wants
this particular version.

I suppose nothing I have installed wants 16,or 16 would be added.


Well,last night I tried deleting llvm12 and got back a message
indicating that it wasn't there (normally I'd get a message
indicating what would be deleted along with it,if I recall
previous attempts correctly).

...and when I next launched X,I found it failed via segmentation
fault when I tried launching Seamonkey (I run Seamonkey,which is
no longer in the ports tree to my annoyance,for legacy reasons).
And I tried putting llvm12 back but now X won't launch at all
(first fails pointed to xorg.3.log and recent to xorg.0.log).

I can't think of anything else I did that would have made X
stop working but I'm doing a new synth prepare-system,will
see what results.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

On 2024-02-19, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

Hm,looks like llvm12 is now gone.
I have llvm13-13.0.1_7 and llvm15-15.0.7_10 in place.

My low-effort approach is this: When I see that the llvm ports will
be rebuilt anyway, I deinstall them. The ones actually required
as dependencies will come back, at no extra compile cost.

I have upgraded the base OS to 13.2-RELEASE-p10.

Would llvm versions past 15 work?

Work for what?
If a certain port has a fixed dependency on a particular llvm version
then having newer llvm versions installed doesn't affect this. For
instance, Firefox and Mesa require llvm15 at the moment.

I have them running,I assume at some point they switched to it
from llvm13.

I've just been doing a long synth run that has had llvm12,
llvm13,
and llvm15@default building in parallel.

I noted that when llvm12 finished,
openjdk11 started (not having started before
despite open build channels).
When llvm15@default finished,
mesa-libs,
qt6-tools,
and firefox started.

At this writing llvm13 is still building.

Grepping for LLVM_VERSION over the ports tree shows that for all
llvm versions from 11 to 16, there's at least one port that wants
this particular version.

I suppose nothing I have installed wants 16,or 16 would be added.

I see that 13.3-RELEASE adds 17,
so will this solve problems
when I upgrade from 13.2 or make
them more complicated?

Well,last night I tried deleting llvm12 and got back a message
indicating that it wasn't there (normally I'd get a message
indicating what would be deleted along with it,if I recall
previous attempts correctly).

...and when I next launched X,I found it failed via segmentation
fault when I tried launching Seamonkey (I run Seamonkey,which is
no longer in the ports tree to my annoyance,for legacy reasons).
And I tried putting llvm12 back but now X won't launch at all
(first fails pointed to xorg.3.log and recent to xorg.0.log).

I can't think of anything else I did that would have made X
stop working but I'm doing a new synth prepare-system,will
see what results.

This has still not resolved...I can not launch seamonkey or firefox
without fvwm crashing if it even starts in the first place.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

On 2024-02-19, Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Over time, there's a tendency to accumulate llvm versions on your
system that aren't actually used for anything any longer.

Hm,looks like llvm12 is now gone.
I have llvm13-13.0.1_7 and llvm15-15.0.7_10 in place.

My low-effort approach is this: When I see that the llvm ports will
be rebuilt anyway, I deinstall them. The ones actually required
as dependencies will come back, at no extra compile cost.

I have upgraded the base OS to 13.2-RELEASE-p10.

Would llvm versions past 15 work?

Work for what?
If a certain port has a fixed dependency on a particular llvm version
then having newer llvm versions installed doesn't affect this. For
instance, Firefox and Mesa require llvm15 at the moment.

I have them running,I assume at some point they switched to it
from llvm13.

I've just been doing a long synth run that has had llvm12,
llvm13,
and llvm15@default building in parallel.

I noted that when llvm12 finished,
openjdk11 started (not having started before
despite open build channels).
When llvm15@default finished,
mesa-libs,
qt6-tools,
and firefox started.

At this writing llvm13 is still building.

Grepping for LLVM_VERSION over the ports tree shows that for all
llvm versions from 11 to 16, there's at least one port that wants
this particular version.

I suppose nothing I have installed wants 16,or 16 would be added.

I see that 13.3-RELEASE adds 17,
so will this solve problems
when I upgrade from 13.2 or make
them more complicated?

My FTP upgrade from 13.2 to 13.3
has unexpectedly crashed everything
(here I am posting from a backup account
from an Ubuntu partition).

I can boot single-user on the SSD but
any attempt to go multi-user produces
a crash on a kldload process.

The messages with regard to the page panic
include a kdb backtrace listing
vpanic
panic
trap_fatal
trap_pfault
calltrap
ttm_bo_validate
ttm_bo_init_reserved
ttm_bo_init
radeon_bo_create
radeon_ttm_init
si_init
radeon_device_init
radeon_driver_load_kms
drm_dev_register
radeon_pci_probe
linux_pci_attach_device
device_attach

and it hits around kernel module loading time after the uhubs.

Any idea if there's a way to get a working 13.3 install without
destroying the existing accounts and so forth?

(I backed up a lot of the SSD's key partitions to an HDD but
rebuilding is quite a chore.The DVDs don't seem usable for
upgrading an existing FreeBSD installation,only for making
new ones?)

Well,last night I tried deleting llvm12 and got back a message
indicating that it wasn't there (normally I'd get a message
indicating what would be deleted along with it,if I recall
previous attempts correctly).

...and when I next launched X,I found it failed via segmentation
fault when I tried launching Seamonkey (I run Seamonkey,which is
no longer in the ports tree to my annoyance,for legacy reasons).
And I tried putting llvm12 back but now X won't launch at all
(first fails pointed to xorg.3.log and recent to xorg.0.log).

I can't think of anything else I did that would have made X
stop working but I'm doing a new synth prepare-system,will
see what results.

This has still not resolved...I can not launch seamonkey or firefox
without fvwm crashing if it even starts in the first place.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:37:39 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

My FTP upgrade from 13.2 to 13.3
has unexpectedly crashed everything
(here I am posting from a backup account
from an Ubuntu partition).

I can boot single-user on the SSD but
any attempt to go multi-user produces
a crash on a kldload process.

The messages with regard to the page panic
include a kdb backtrace listing
vpanic
panic
trap_fatal
trap_pfault
calltrap
ttm_bo_validate
ttm_bo_init_reserved
ttm_bo_init
radeon_bo_create
radeon_ttm_init
si_init
radeon_device_init
radeon_driver_load_kms
drm_dev_register
radeon_pci_probe
linux_pci_attach_device
device_attach

and it hits around kernel module loading time after the uhubs.

Any idea if there's a way to get a working 13.3 install without
destroying the existing accounts and so forth?

(I backed up a lot of the SSD's key partitions to an HDD but
rebuilding is quite a chore.The DVDs don't seem usable for
upgrading an existing FreeBSD installation,only for making
new ones?)

Boot to single-user mode (2 in the boot menu). When you
get to the root# prompt.

For UFS2 system, do

# fsck -y
# fsck -y

I don't use ZFS, so don't know if the above matters.

# mount -a
# vi /etc/rc.conf
<comment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
# sync
# exit

You should end up in a console, i.e., no X11 window.
Log in as root.

Assuming you have a populated /usr/ports,

% pkg info | grep kmod
drm-515-kmod-5.15.118_3
gpu-firmware-amd-kmod
...
gpu-firmware-radeon-kmod-verde
% portmaster -Byd drm-515-kmod
% portmaster -Byd gpu-firmware\*
% vi /etc/rc.conf
<uncomment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
% sync
% shutdown -r now

--
steve

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In article <usqv3d$jgi0$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

Boot to single-user mode (2 in the boot menu). When you
get to the root# prompt.

For UFS2 system, do

# fsck -y
# fsck -y

I don't use ZFS, so don't know if the above matters.

# mount -a

With ZFS:
# mount -u /

Then the OP can edit rc.conf and disable the kernel module broken
by the kernel update.
John
groenveld@acm.org

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Steven G. Kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:37:39 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

My FTP upgrade from 13.2 to 13.3
has unexpectedly crashed everything
(here I am posting from a backup account
from an Ubuntu partition).

I can boot single-user on the SSD but
any attempt to go multi-user produces
a crash on a kldload process.

The messages with regard to the page panic
include a kdb backtrace listing
vpanic
panic
trap_fatal
trap_pfault
calltrap
ttm_bo_validate
ttm_bo_init_reserved
ttm_bo_init
radeon_bo_create
radeon_ttm_init
si_init
radeon_device_init
radeon_driver_load_kms
drm_dev_register
radeon_pci_probe
linux_pci_attach_device
device_attach

and it hits around kernel module loading time after the uhubs.

Any idea if there's a way to get a working 13.3 install without
destroying the existing accounts and so forth?

(I backed up a lot of the SSD's key partitions to an HDD but
rebuilding is quite a chore.The DVDs don't seem usable for
upgrading an existing FreeBSD installation,only for making
new ones?)

Boot to single-user mode (2 in the boot menu). When you
get to the root# prompt.

For UFS2 system, do

# fsck -y
# fsck -y

I don't use ZFS, so don't know if the above matters.

# mount -a
# vi /etc/rc.conf
<comment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
# sync
# exit

You should end up in a console, i.e., no X11 window.
Log in as root.

Assuming you have a populated /usr/ports,

% pkg info | grep kmod
drm-515-kmod-5.15.118_3

what's on my system is
drm-510-kmod-5.10.163_9
and
drm-kmod-20220907_2

gpu-firmware-amd-kmod
...
gpu-firmware-radeon-kmod-verde
% portmaster -Byd drm-515-kmod
% portmaster -Byd gpu-firmware\*
% vi /etc/rc.conf
<uncomment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
% sync
% shutdown -r now

The fix appears to have worked,BUT
I have not received a prompt to recompile
all applications that the freebsd.org
instructions for a binary upgrade indicated
would happen at this stage.

I normally upgrade applications via

git -C /usr/ports pull [updating ports collection]
synth status [checking what's needed at the moment]
synth prepare-system [updating available packages]
pkg upgrade -r Synth [installing the new stuff]

and have done none of these since updating the OS except
for a synth status that tells me nothing needs upgrades
and 13 that wanted rebuilds or replacements
before the OS upgrade still do.

Do I have to trigger the rebuild somehow or can I update
the ports collection without screwing up?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

Steven G. Kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:37:39 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

My FTP upgrade from 13.2 to 13.3
has unexpectedly crashed everything
(here I am posting from a backup account
from an Ubuntu partition).

I can boot single-user on the SSD but
any attempt to go multi-user produces
a crash on a kldload process.

The messages with regard to the page panic
include a kdb backtrace listing
vpanic
panic
trap_fatal
trap_pfault
calltrap
ttm_bo_validate
ttm_bo_init_reserved
ttm_bo_init
radeon_bo_create
radeon_ttm_init
si_init
radeon_device_init
radeon_driver_load_kms
drm_dev_register
radeon_pci_probe
linux_pci_attach_device
device_attach

and it hits around kernel module loading time after the uhubs.

Any idea if there's a way to get a working 13.3 install without
destroying the existing accounts and so forth?

(I backed up a lot of the SSD's key partitions to an HDD but
rebuilding is quite a chore.The DVDs don't seem usable for
upgrading an existing FreeBSD installation,only for making
new ones?)

Boot to single-user mode (2 in the boot menu). When you
get to the root# prompt.

For UFS2 system, do

# fsck -y
# fsck -y

I don't use ZFS, so don't know if the above matters.

# mount -a
# vi /etc/rc.conf
<comment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
# sync
# exit

You should end up in a console, i.e., no X11 window.
Log in as root.

Assuming you have a populated /usr/ports,

% pkg info | grep kmod
drm-515-kmod-5.15.118_3

what's on my system is
drm-510-kmod-5.10.163_9

...and I see that 515 is for 14.x
and as noted I just installed 13.3.

and
drm-kmod-20220907_2

gpu-firmware-amd-kmod
...
gpu-firmware-radeon-kmod-verde
% portmaster -Byd drm-515-kmod
% portmaster -Byd gpu-firmware\*
% vi /etc/rc.conf
<uncomment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
% sync
% shutdown -r now

The fix appears to have worked,BUT
I have not received a prompt to recompile
all applications that the freebsd.org
instructions for a binary upgrade indicated
would happen at this stage.

On closer examination this was optional...

I normally upgrade applications via

git -C /usr/ports pull [updating ports collection]
synth status [checking what's needed at the moment]
synth prepare-system [updating available packages]
pkg upgrade -r Synth [installing the new stuff]

and have done none of these since updating the OS except
for a synth status that tells me nothing needs upgrades
and 13 that wanted rebuilds or replacements
before the OS upgrade still do.

Do I have to trigger the rebuild somehow or can I update
the ports collection without screwing up?

...I've pulled in the new ports and am indexing...

...in any case my failure to launch X successfully
since the flirtation with removing llvm12 and putting
it back has NOT been solved by upgrading 13.2->3.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:17:42 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Steven G. Kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

Assuming you have a populated /usr/ports,

% pkg info | grep kmod
drm-515-kmod-5.15.118_3

what's on my system is
drm-510-kmod-5.10.163_9
and
drm-kmod-20220907_2

The latter is likely a meta-port that tries
to select the right drm-XXX-kmod port.

gpu-firmware-amd-kmod
...
gpu-firmware-radeon-kmod-verde
% portmaster -Byd drm-515-kmod
% portmaster -Byd gpu-firmware\*
% vi /etc/rc.conf
<uncomment out kld_list="radeaon_yada" line>
% sync
% shutdown -r now

The fix appears to have worked,BUT
I have not received a prompt to recompile
all applications that the freebsd.org
instructions for a binary upgrade indicated
would happen at this stage.

First rule of updating is that the kernel
and third-party modules must agree. This
means that drm-*-kmod needs to be recompiled
if you update your kernel.

I normally upgrade applications via

git -C /usr/ports pull [updating ports collection]
synth status [checking what's needed at the moment]
synth prepare-system [updating available packages]
pkg upgrade -r Synth [installing the new stuff]

and have done none of these since updating the OS except
for a synth status that tells me nothing needs upgrades
and 13 that wanted rebuilds or replacements
before the OS upgrade still do.

Do I have to trigger the rebuild somehow or can I update
the ports collection without screwing up?

I know nothing about synth.

--
steve

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Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

...in any case my failure to launch X successfully
since the flirtation with removing llvm12 and putting
it back has NOT been solved by upgrading 13.2->3.

The problem started when I deleted LLVM12 and did not go
away when I reinstalled it...and deleting and reinstalling
xinit has made no difference.

Either nothing at all starts,
or it starts and aborts,
or the windows come up in the
window manager and either
attempting to launch an application
crashes it or the keyboard and mouse
are no longer able to make inputs
and I have to restart.

What needs to be redone to again
have a working X?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 14:19:04 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

...in any case my failure to launch X successfully
since the flirtation with removing llvm12 and putting
it back has NOT been solved by upgrading 13.2->3.

The problem started when I deleted LLVM12 and did not go
away when I reinstalled it...and deleting and reinstalling
xinit has made no difference.

Either nothing at all starts,
or it starts and aborts,
or the windows come up in the
window manager and either
attempting to launch an application
crashes it or the keyboard and mouse
are no longer able to make inputs
and I have to restart.

What needs to be redone to again
have a working X?

If I get in your situtation, I typically rebuild everything
from source. So, first created a backup, then do

% cd /usr/src
% git stash
% git pull -ff
% git stash pop
% rm -rf /usr/obj/*
% make -j8 buildworld <-- I have 8 cores.
% make -j8 buildkernel
% make installkernel
<reboot in single user>
% mount -a
% etcupdate -p
% cd /usr/src
% make installworld
% etcupdate -B
% make delete-old
% make delete-old-lib <-- Only if I want a very clean world
<reboot without X11, so remove kld_load in rc.conf>

Now, the ports.

% cd /usr/ports
% git stash
% git pull -ff
% git stash pop
% make fetchindex
% pkg info | awk '{ print $1}' > pkg.txt
% pkg delete -f <all installed ports>ports-mgmt/pkg
<Inspect /usr/local for leftover junk>

The last command might complain about deleting port ports-mgmt/pkg,
delete it anyway.

% cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg
% make clean && make -j8 && make install && make clean
% cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster
% make clean && make -j8 && make install && make clean
% rehash
% portmaster -Byd graphics/drm-515-kmod
% portmaster -Byd graphics/gpu-firmware-radeon-kmod

Choose the one from pkg.txt or use graphics/drm-kmod. The latter
will grab whatever FreeBSD thinks is required for your hardware.
You can now restore kld_load in rc.conf and reboot.

% portmaster -Byd x11-wm/fvwm3 x11/xauth x11/xinit x11/xterm

This is sufficient for me to use startx to fireup a fvwm3

Now, iterate over pkg.txt to install other packages, e.g.,

% portmaster -Byd math/octave <-- This installs 200+ ports

--
steve

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In article <usvdns$1oga4$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

If I get in your situtation, I typically rebuild everything
from source. So, first created a backup, then do

Forcibly reinstalling the packages might re-add whatever dependency
the OP broke by deleting LLVMs.

# pkg upgrade -f
John
groenveld@acm.org

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:54:16 +0000, John D Groenveld wrote:

In article <usvdns$1oga4$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

If I get in your situtation, I typically rebuild everything
from source. So, first created a backup, then do

Forcibly reinstalling the packages might re-add whatever dependency
the OP broke by deleting LLVMs.

# pkg upgrade -f

If one is rebuilding everything from ports, then one is
not dealing with the nightmare of dependencies from pre-built
packages (which may be out-of-sync given the dependency tree
and how the ports tree is managed) or from stale things in
a search path. There is also the possibility to tailor the
compiler options to match your hardware. Packages from a
repository are likely built to run a class of hardware,
which means reduced performance.

The other advantage of rebuilding everything from source
is that it is incremental. Install the bare minimum to get
a stable X11 window manager running, then add needed ports
while testing along the way. You'll find what is breaking
your setup.

--
steve

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In article <usvik9$1pnnp$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

If one is rebuilding everything from ports, then one is
not dealing with the nightmare of dependencies from pre-built
packages (which may be out-of-sync given the dependency tree
and how the ports tree is managed) or from stale things in
a search path. There is also the possibility to tailor the

pkg(8) can clean up outdated dependencies.
# pkg autoremove

John
groenveld@acm.org

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:57:10 +0000, John D Groenveld wrote:

In article <usvik9$1pnnp$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

If one is rebuilding everything from ports, then one is
not dealing with the nightmare of dependencies from pre-built
packages (which may be out-of-sync given the dependency tree
and how the ports tree is managed) or from stale things in
a search path. There is also the possibility to tailor the

pkg(8) can clean up outdated dependencies.
# pkg autoremove

Yep. It works until it doesn't. The dependency
tree for some ports can be rather involved and
pkg seems to lose track of the entire tree or
the dependencies are never recorded. Things may
have improved. I used 'pkg autoremove' once, and
it led to a few broken ports because of missing
shared libraries.

If one is dealing with an unstable system as OP
as indicated. Started with a completely bare
/usr/local may be prudent.

--
steve

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In article <ut0eqe$235g8$1@dont-email.me>,
Steven G. Kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

Started with a completely bare
/usr/local may be prudent.

# pkg delete $(pkg info|grep -v '^pkg-'|awk '{print $1}')

John
groenveld@acm.org

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Steven G. Kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 14:19:04 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

...in any case my failure to launch X successfully
since the flirtation with removing llvm12 and putting
it back has NOT been solved by upgrading 13.2->3.

The problem started when I deleted LLVM12 and did not go
away when I reinstalled it...and deleting and reinstalling
xinit has made no difference.

Either nothing at all starts,
or it starts and aborts,
or the windows come up in the
window manager and either
attempting to launch an application
crashes it or the keyboard and mouse
are no longer able to make inputs
and I have to restart.

What needs to be redone to again
have a working X?

If I get in your situtation, I typically rebuild everything
from source. So, first created a backup, then do

What in toto needs to be backed up?

% cd /usr/src
% git stash
% git pull -ff
% git stash pop
% rm -rf /usr/obj/*
% make -j8 buildworld <-- I have 8 cores.
% make -j8 buildkernel

I have a Core i7-3770K (4 cores 8 threads)

% make installkernel
<reboot in single user>
% mount -a
% etcupdate -p
% cd /usr/src
% make installworld
% etcupdate -B
% make delete-old
% make delete-old-lib <-- Only if I want a very clean world
<reboot without X11, so remove kld_load in rc.conf>

Now, the ports.

FWIW my pkg info:

Imath-3.1.11 C++/Python lib of 2D/3D vector, matrix, math ops for computer graphics
aalib-1.4.r5_14 ASCII art library
abseil-20230125.3 Abseil Common Libraries (C++) adacurses-20211021_1 Ada95 bindings for ncurses adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 GNOME Symbolic Icons
alpine-2.26_1 Mail and news client descended from Pine alsa-lib-1.2.10_1 ALSA compatibility library alsa-plugins-1.2.7.1_3 ALSA compatibility library plugins
aom-3.8.1_1 AV1 reference encoder/decoder
apache24-2.4.58_2 Version 2.4.x of Apache web server appres-1.0.5_1 Program to list application's resources apr-1.7.3.1.6.3_1 Apache Portability Library
argp-standalone-1.5.0 Standalone version of arguments parsing functions from GLIBC
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bison-3.8.2_1,1 Parser generator from FSF, (mostly) compatible with Yacc
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boehm-gc-threaded-8.2.6 Garbage collection and memory leak detection for C and C++
boost-jam-1.84.0 Build tool from the boost.org
boost-libs-1.84.0 Free portable C++ libraries (without Boost.Python)
brotli-1.1.0,1 Generic-purpose lossless compression algorithm bsddialog-1.0.1 Text User Interface Widgets
bsdgames-0.75_2,2 Traditional BSD games taken mostly from DragonFly BSD
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colord-1.4.7 Manage color profiles to accurately color input/output devices
consolekit2-1.2.6_3 Framework for defining and tracking users crafty-25.2_1 Chess program for playing and analyzing games cups-2.4.7_2 Common UNIX Printing System
curl-8.6.0 Command line tool and library for transferring data with URLs
dav1d-1.4.0 Small and fast AV1 decoder
db18-18.1.40 Oracle Berkeley DB, Release 18.1
db5-5.3.28_9 Oracle Berkeley DB, revision 5.3 dbus-1.14.10_4,1 Message bus system for inter-application communication
dbus-glib-0.112_1 GLib bindings for the D-BUS messaging system dconf-0.40.0_4 Configuration database system for GNOME dejavu-2.37_3 Bitstream Vera Fonts clone with a wider range of characters
desktop-file-utils-0.26_2 Couple of command line utilities for working with desktop entries
docbook-1.5 Meta-port for the different versions of the DocBook DTD
docbook-sgml-4.5_1 DocBook SGML DTD
docbook-xml-5.0_3 DocBook XML DTD
docbook-xsl-1.79.1_1,1 XSL DocBook stylesheets
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dotconf-1.3_1 Simple, powerful configuration-file parser double-conversion-3.3.0 Binary-decimal and decimal-binary routines for IEEE doubles
doxygen-1.9.6_1,2 Documentation system for C, C++, and other languages
drm-510-kmod-5.10.163_9 DRM drivers modules
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emacs-nox-29.2_1,3 GNU editing macros (No X flavor) encodings-1.1.0,1 X.Org Encoding fonts
espeak-ng-1.51.1_5 Software speech synthesizer
etc_os-release-0.1_3 Operating system identification file evdev-proto-5.8 Input event device header files
expat-2.6.1 XML 1.0 parser written in C
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firefox-123.0.1,2 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla
flac-1.4.3_1,1 Free lossless audio codec
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:46:25 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Steven G. Kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 14:19:04 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> wrote:

...in any case my failure to launch X successfully
since the flirtation with removing llvm12 and putting
it back has NOT been solved by upgrading 13.2->3.

The problem started when I deleted LLVM12 and did not go
away when I reinstalled it...and deleting and reinstalling
xinit has made no difference.

Either nothing at all starts,
or it starts and aborts,
or the windows come up in the
window manager and either
attempting to launch an application
crashes it or the keyboard and mouse
are no longer able to make inputs
and I have to restart.

What needs to be redone to again
have a working X?

If I get in your situtation, I typically rebuild everything
from source. So, first created a backup, then do

What in toto needs to be backed up?

Anything that you may have customizied under /etc and
/usr/local/etc. If you made any customizations under
/usr/ports, the three commands should preserve those
when pulling an up-to-date tree.

% git stash <-- hide changes
% git pull -ff <-- update tree
% git stash pop <-- restore changes

--
steve

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In article <l5itnpFeg55U1@mid.individual.net>,
John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org> wrote:

# pkg delete $(pkg info|grep -v '^pkg-'|awk '{print $1}')

This sucks less:
# pkg delete $(pkg query %n|grep -v '^pkg$')

John
groenveldacm.org

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