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  • FreeBSD copyright still says 2019

    From steve kargl@21:1/5 to Winston on Thu Mar 19 19:40:32 2020
    Winston wrote:

    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    says, when booting:

    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    Are you booting a kernel built in 2019? Here, I get

    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    --
    steve

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 19 15:27:11 2020
    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    says, when booting:

    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    -WBE

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to kindly on Thu Mar 19 21:52:29 2020
    I previously posted:
    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    says, when booting:

    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> kindly replied:
    Are you booting a kernel built in 2019? Here, I get

    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    I fetched and installed the just-released version with just-announced
    security and errata patches and, after rebooting, I have:

    $ freebsd-version -k -r -u
    12.1-RELEASE-p3
    12.1-RELEASE-p3
    12.1-RELEASE-p3

    and saw:

    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    which is what prompted my original post.

    I also note that both the Regents and FreeBSD claim Copyright for
    the years 1992-1994. :)
    -WBE

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  • From steve kargl@21:1/5 to Winston on Fri Mar 20 02:25:31 2020
    Winston wrote:

    I previously posted:
    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    says, when booting:

    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> kindly replied:
    Are you booting a kernel built in 2019? Here, I get

    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
    FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    I fetched and installed the just-released version with just-announced security and errata patches and, after rebooting, I have:

    $ freebsd-version -k -r -u
    12.1-RELEASE-p3
    12.1-RELEASE-p3
    12.1-RELEASE-p3

    and saw:

    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    which is what prompted my original post.

    I also note that both the Regents and FreeBSD claim Copyright for
    the years 1992-1994. :)

    This line

    "Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994"

    goes with this line

    "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved."

    This line applies to FreeBSD

    "Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project."

    Again, you failed to answer the question. Was the kernel you booted built in 2019?
    The copyright year applies to actually written code and a kernel compiled from that
    code. It isn't adjusted for a future year unless the code is modified. I have a few
    books published decades ago. Their copyright page isn't updated each year.

    Try
    % sysctl -a | grep kern.version
    kern.version: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r357967M: Sat Feb 15 16:57:32 PST 2020

    --
    steve

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  • From John D Groenveld@21:1/5 to sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington. on Fri Mar 20 02:30:59 2020
    In article <r519ir$465$1@dont-email.me>,
    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
    Again, you failed to answer the question. Was the kernel you booted
    built in 2019?

    $ strings `sysctl -n kern.bootfile` | grep 'The FreeBSD Project'

    John
    groenveld@acm.org

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to John D Groenveld on Fri Mar 20 03:09:18 2020
    groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) writes:

    In article <r519ir$465$1@dont-email.me>,
    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
    Again, you failed to answer the question. Was the kernel you booted
    built in 2019?

    $ strings `sysctl -n kern.bootfile` | grep 'The FreeBSD Project'

    John
    groenveld@acm.org

    strings `sysctl -n kern.bootfile` | grep 'The FreeBSD Project'
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    Hmmm. Yes, /boot/boot* on that system are all from last November,
    when it was upgraded from 12.0 to 12.1.
    -WBE

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to steve kargl on Fri Mar 20 03:34:37 2020
    Back on the original topic...

    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> asked:
    Again, you failed to answer the question. Was the kernel you booted
    built in 2019?

    Since -p3 updated the file /boot/kernel/kernel, I certainly assume it
    was built this year. How do you propose the FreeBSD folks could build
    the kernel for 12.1-RELEASE-p3 last year, given that -p2 came out in
    January and -p3 only just came out a few days ago?

    Try
    % sysctl -a | grep kern.version
    kern.version: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r357967M: Sat Feb 15 16:57:32 PST 2020

    sysctl -a | grep kern.version
    kern.version: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC

    [that's all it said]

    -p3, as I originally posted, had a release date of
    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    -WBE

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to steve kargl on Fri Mar 20 03:31:57 2020
    On a bit of a tangent, I commented:
    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
    FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    which is what prompted my original post.

    I also note that both the Regents and FreeBSD claim Copyright for
    the years 1992-1994. :)

    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> replied:
    This line

    "Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994"

    goes with this line

    "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved."

    Obviously, and you'll note that those two lines attribute the changes
    made in 1992, 1993, and 1994 to the Regents, as I said.

    This line applies to FreeBSD

    "Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project."

    Yes it does, and you'll note that that time span also includes 1992,
    1993, and 1994 and attributes the copyright to the FreeBSD Project, as I
    said.

    So, who owns the copyright to the changes made in 1992-4? Both?
    -WBE

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  • From Felix Palmen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 20 08:39:13 2020
    * Winston <wbe@ubeblock.psr.com.invalid>:
    Since -p3 updated the file /boot/kernel/kernel, I certainly assume it
    was built this year. How do you propose the FreeBSD folks could build
    the kernel for 12.1-RELEASE-p3 last year, given that -p2 came out in
    January and -p3 only just came out a few days ago?

    Yesterday, to be precise.

    -p3, as I originally posted, had a release date of
    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    And I can confirm it still shows

    | ---<<BOOT>>---
    | Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    Built locally yesterday.

    --
    Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen <felix@palmen-it.de> ,.//..........
    {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de
    {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """""""""""
    {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A

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  • From Richard Tobin@21:1/5 to wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid on Fri Mar 20 12:07:26 2020
    In article <yd8sjvzdle.fsf@UBEblock.psr.com>,
    Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
    So, who owns the copyright to the changes made in 1992-4? Both?

    Presumably both made changes, and have copyright in the changes
    they made.

    -- Richard

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  • From John D Groenveld@21:1/5 to wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid on Fri Mar 20 12:06:50 2020
    In article <ydd097zen5.fsf@UBEblock.psr.com>,
    Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> wrote:
    strings `sysctl -n kern.bootfile` | grep 'The FreeBSD Project'
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    Hmmm. Yes, /boot/boot* on that system are all from last November,
    when it was upgraded from 12.0 to 12.1.

    $ file `sysctl -n kern.bootfile`

    $ fetch https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/amd64/12.1-STABLE/kernel.txz $ tar xf kernel.txz boot/kernel/kernel
    $ file boot/kernel/kernel

    It appears your freebsd-update(8) invocation did not install the
    patched kernel.

    John
    groenveld@acm.org

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  • From Felix Palmen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 20 13:26:51 2020
    * steve kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu>:
    Try
    % sysctl -a | grep kern.version
    kern.version: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r357967M: Sat Feb 15 16:57:32 PST 2020

    If you're on -CURRENT, *of course* you have 2020 in the copyright
    message.

    12.1-RELEASE was released in 2019 though, and it's probably sensible not
    to update copyright messages for security/errata fixes.

    --
    Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen <felix@palmen-it.de> ,.//..........
    {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de
    {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """""""""""
    {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A

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  • From Felix Palmen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 20 13:24:22 2020
    * John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org>:
    It appears your freebsd-update(8) invocation did not install the
    patched kernel.

    Still, a newly built kernel shows 2019 in the copyright message:

    #v+
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: ---<<BOOT>>---
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p3 #5 r359147M: Thu Mar 19 20:10:47 CET 2020
    Mar 20 12:07:30 nexus kernel: root@builder.home.palmen-it.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/DESKTOP amd64
    #v-

    --
    Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen <felix@palmen-it.de> ,.//..........
    {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de
    {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """""""""""
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  • From steve kargl@21:1/5 to Felix Palmen on Fri Mar 20 15:40:30 2020
    Felix Palmen wrote:

    * steve kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu>:
    Try
    % sysctl -a | grep kern.version
    kern.version: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r357967M: Sat Feb 15 16:57:32 PST 2020

    If you're on -CURRENT, *of course* you have 2020 in the copyright
    message.

    You've missed the point. The kernel that was bootes was built on 2/15/2020.
    I suspect the Kernel that OP booted was built in 2019, but he won't tell us.

    --
    steve

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  • From steve kargl@21:1/5 to Winston on Fri Mar 20 15:49:44 2020
    Winston wrote:

    On a bit of a tangent, I commented:
    ---<<BOOT>>---
    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.
    Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >>> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >>> FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.

    which is what prompted my original post.

    I also note that both the Regents and FreeBSD claim Copyright for
    the years 1992-1994. :)

    steve kargl <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> replied:
    This line

    "Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994" >>
    goes with this line

    "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved."

    Obviously, and you'll note that those two lines attribute the changes
    made in 1992, 1993, and 1994 to the Regents, as I said.

    This line applies to FreeBSD

    "Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project."

    Yes it does, and you'll note that that time span also includes 1992,
    1993, and 1994 and attributes the copyright to the FreeBSD Project, as I said.

    So, who owns the copyright to the changes made in 1992-4? Both?

    Are trolling or what? FreeBSD has copyright on their changes during
    that time period. And, wait ......, the Univeristy of California has copyright on their changes from that time period.

    --
    steve

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  • From Felix Palmen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 20 17:01:18 2020
    * steve kargl <sgk@removetroutmask.apl.washington.edu>:
    Felix Palmen wrote:
    If you're on -CURRENT, *of course* you have 2020 in the copyright
    message.

    You've missed the point. The kernel that was bootes was built on 2/15/2020. I suspect the Kernel that OP booted was built in 2019, but he won't tell us.

    No, you obviously missed the point, see also my log with build timestamp
    and revision number in <m8pekg-cp9.ln1@mail.home.palmen-it.de> in this
    very thread.

    It doesn't matter whether the OP might have booted an older kernel accidentally. 12.1-RELEASE-p3 shows copyright 2019, and it makes sense.

    --
    Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen <felix@palmen-it.de> ,.//..........
    {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de
    {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """""""""""
    {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A

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  • From jrg@unknown.tld@21:1/5 to Winston on Sun Apr 5 00:01:25 2020
    On Thu, 19 Mar 2020, Winston wrote:

    2020-03-19 16:49:32 UTC (releng/12.1, 12.1-RELEASE-p3)

    says, when booting:

    Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    -WBE


    US Copyright law is still Life+70 years? Why not just make it
    (c) 1992-2062?

    ---
    JRG

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  • From Martin Neitzel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 5 11:07:12 2020
    FreeBSD> Copyright (c) 1992-2019 The FreeBSD Project.

    US Copyright law is still Life+70 years?
    Why not just make it (c) 1992-2062?

    Because that line is formulated according to the Berne Convention to
    effect protection in all "participating countries". The years have to
    state the creation/initial publication of the work. (Because different
    parts of FreeBSD were created in different years, we have that list
    of years.)

    The introduction given in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_convention
    is well worth a read. It needs to extended by some knowledge about your
    local copyright law which may vary significantly from both the BC and
    from other local laws.

    For example, in my country no labelling whatsoever is necessary to (a) establish me as the author of my works and (b) have all derived rights
    on the works. For international protection, the BC (and its labelling requirements) are advisable, though. Even more so for international
    projects such as the FreeBSD.

    Martin Neitzel

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