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  • Re: Shitting on other people's lawns (Was: ncurses and "application

    From DozingDog@thekennel.co@21:1/5 to James Kuyper on Fri Nov 12 17:06:16 2021
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:58:09 -0500
    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/12/21 5:41 AM, DozingDog@thekennel.co wrote:
    ....
    Its spelt arsehole, unless you're refering to a donkey. And no, its not the

    Nearly 2/3 of all of the native speakers of English speak the American >variant of that language, for which your preferred spelling is

    More people speak spanish in south american than in spain but if I wanted
    to learn proper spanish I'd do it in Madrid, not Mexico City or Managua.

    Can you cite any rule obligating him to write according to the rules of >British English? Since the treaty of Paris (1783), we're no longer bound
    by any such rules. :-)

    No, but there's also no rule I can't correct dialect spelling for the proper spelling :)

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  • From DozingDog@thekennel.co@21:1/5 to James Kuyper on Sat Nov 13 10:00:03 2021
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:13:04 -0500
    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/12/21 12:06 PM, DozingDog@thekennel.co wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:58:09 -0500
    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    ..
    Nearly 2/3 of all of the native speakers of English speak the American
    variant of that language, for which your preferred spelling is

    More people speak spanish in south american than in spain but if I wanted
    to learn proper spanish I'd do it in Madrid, not Mexico City or Managua.

    If you want to learn proper Mexican or Columbian Spanish, going to
    Madrid won't help.
    Mexico, Columbia, and Argentina all have more native speakers of Spanish
    than Spain itself, and the US has almost as many. The Spaniards have
    lost control of their language even more thoroughly than the English have.

    No doubt true, but point still stands.


    ....
    No, but there's also no rule I can't correct dialect spelling for the proper >> spelling :)

    You're correcting one dialect's spelling to a different dialect's spelling.

    Dialects are derived from the standard language.

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  • From DozingDog@thekennel.co@21:1/5 to pk@pk.invalid on Sat Nov 13 09:57:43 2021
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:31:58 +0100
    pk <pk@pk.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:41:24 -0000 (UTC), DozingDog@thekennel.co wrote:

    Its spelt arsehole

    It's spelt "it's". You should probably write correctly yourself before >correcting others (even if those others are, indeed, real arseholes).

    Arguably thats grammar, not spelling, but fair point.

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  • From Meredith Montgomery@21:1/5 to DozingDog@thekennel.co on Sat Nov 13 23:37:39 2021
    DozingDog@thekennel.co writes:

    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:13:04 -0500
    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/12/21 12:06 PM, DozingDog@thekennel.co wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:58:09 -0500
    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    ..
    Nearly 2/3 of all of the native speakers of English speak the American >>>> variant of that language, for which your preferred spelling is

    More people speak spanish in south american than in spain but if I wanted >>> to learn proper spanish I'd do it in Madrid, not Mexico City or Managua.

    If you want to learn proper Mexican or [Colombian] Spanish, going to
    Madrid won't help. Mexico, Columbia, and Argentina all have more
    native speakers of Spanish than Spain itself, and the US has almost
    as many. The Spaniards have lost control of their language even more
    thoroughly than the English have.

    No doubt true, but point still stands.

    The point, if any, must be implementation-defined. Once I was in
    Managua and I said exactly that:

    --- More people speak Spanish in South America than in Spain, but if I
    wanted to learn proper Spanish I'd do it in Madrid, not Mexico City or
    Managua.

    I was almost interrrupted:

    --- What you mean, m'am? ``Proper Spanish'' is defined here. GNU's
    not UNIX.

    But, of course, I didn't back down.

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to DozingDog@thekennel.co on Sat Nov 13 22:30:53 2021
    On 11/13/21 5:00 AM, DozingDog@thekennel.co wrote:
    ...
    Dialects are derived from the standard language.

    The only thing that makes a particular dialect "standard" is
    institutional support, such as when an Empire makes use of that dialect mandatory in official documents. The concept has no basis in the science
    of linguistics. But an Empire loses the power to derogate another
    dialect as "substandard" when it loses control of the territory where
    that dialect is spoken.

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