• Olcott wants to redefine the halting problem

    From immibis@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Feb 20 06:09:03 2024
    On 20/02/24 05:31, olcott wrote:

    The key difference with Russell's Paradox is that they figured out
    that they were thinking about the problem incorrectly and changed
    how they thought about the problem to abolish the paradox.

    ZFC prevents the existence of sets containing themselves. The same
    approach can be applied to all self-reference paradox. I have been
    focusing on self-reference paradox for twenty years.

    So how do you think the halting problem should be redefined to make it solvable?

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Feb 20 06:34:27 2024
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    On 20/02/24 06:23, olcott wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:09 PM, immibis wrote:
    On 20/02/24 05:31, olcott wrote:

    The key difference with Russell's Paradox is that they figured out
    that they were thinking about the problem incorrectly and changed
    how they thought about the problem to abolish the paradox.

    ZFC prevents the existence of sets containing themselves. The same
    approach can be applied to all self-reference paradox. I have been
    focusing on self-reference paradox for twenty years.

    So how do you think the halting problem should be redefined to make it
    solvable?


    There are at least two ways, one of these is consistent
    with the way that the rest of the self-reference paradoxes
    are solved. ZFC prevents sets that are members of themselves
    from coming into existence. This abolished Russell's Paradox.

    The analogous halting problem solution is to reject the
    self-contradictory input.

    This same thing applies to solving Tarski Undefinability.
    Boolean(English, "This sentence is not true.")
    Simply reject the input as invalid.


    So what are the ways?

    A Turing machine tape is defined to contain any sequence of symbols. You
    want to change it so that a Turing machine tape contains any sequence of symbols except for one that represents the input of a program to itself?

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  • From Ben Bacarisse@21:1/5 to immibis on Tue Feb 20 11:46:48 2024
    immibis <news@immibis.com> writes:

    On 20/02/24 05:31, olcott wrote:
    The key difference with Russell's Paradox is that they figured out
    that they were thinking about the problem incorrectly and changed
    how they thought about the problem to abolish the paradox.
    ZFC prevents the existence of sets containing themselves. The same
    approach can be applied to all self-reference paradox. I have been
    focusing on self-reference paradox for twenty years.

    So how do you think the halting problem should be redefined to make it solvable?

    Seriously? You are interested in how an idiot might choose to define a
    problem that is not the halting problem? What do you think you will
    learn from him?

    --
    Ben.

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Feb 21 13:34:42 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 20/02/24 06:43, olcott wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:34 PM, immibis wrote:
    On 20/02/24 06:23, olcott wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 11:09 PM, immibis wrote:
    On 20/02/24 05:31, olcott wrote:

    The key difference with Russell's Paradox is that they figured out
    that they were thinking about the problem incorrectly and changed
    how they thought about the problem to abolish the paradox.

    ZFC prevents the existence of sets containing themselves. The same
    approach can be applied to all self-reference paradox. I have been
    focusing on self-reference paradox for twenty years.

    So how do you think the halting problem should be redefined to make
    it solvable?


    There are at least two ways, one of these is consistent
    with the way that the rest of the self-reference paradoxes
    are solved. ZFC prevents sets that are members of themselves
    from coming into existence. This abolished Russell's Paradox.

    The analogous halting problem solution is to reject the
    self-contradictory input.

    This same thing applies to solving Tarski Undefinability.
    Boolean(English, "This sentence is not true.")
    Simply reject the input as invalid.


    So what are the ways?

    A Halt decider recognizes and rejects self-contradictory inputs.
    My code already does that.

    And it doesn't solve the halting problem. You want to modify the halting problem so that it can be solved. How do you precisely modify the
    problem to avoid the possibility of contradiction? Do you say that a
    Turing machine tape can't contain a description of a "self-contradictory
    Turing machine"? Do you limit the amount of memory?

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