• What are good free PDF file editor and creator these days in 64-bit Win

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 17:21:46 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)
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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Oct 23 18:08:16 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files? Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)

    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed, however, it can
    be highlighted, etc.
    On the extremely rare occasion that I need to change existing pdf text then I print
    to jpg or bmp and use a graphics program to change the text then print back to pdf.

    To read PDF's I mostly use the paid version of Foxit Reader 2.2 (2129).
    It's almost the same as the free version but adds highlight, underline, graphics,
    etc, and does not leave a watermark. Free versions usually leave a watermark. IMO, Foxit versions past 2.2 are bloatware, call home, garbage. PDF JS is not wanted.
    Second choice is PDFXchange 2.5 (316.1). It opens the latest state and federal government
    requirements for genuine Adobe files whereas my old Foxit 2.2 does not.

    To print to PDF I use PDFCreator 1.2.0. Never found one better.

    Most of your old XP3 software will run just fine on 7/64.
    Don't need 64 bits to read or write a pdf file.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Paul@Houston.Texas on Sun Oct 23 16:22:46 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:08:16 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)

    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed,


    Sorry, but that is not correct. PDF files *can* be edited, if you have
    an appropriate program, such as Adobe Acrobat, but not with a program
    such as Adobe Reader.

    Besides Adobe Acrobat, there are also many other choices. A Google
    search will quickly turn up programs like PDFescape, PDF Pro, Sejda,
    PDFzorro, DocHub, etc.

    Also word processors like Microsoft Word and WordPerfect can edit pdf
    files.

    I've never used any of these, so I have no recommendations for Ant,
    other than suggesting that he (she? it?) download and try all those
    that are free.

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  • From Mayayana@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 20:08:36 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    | 1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    | Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.
    |
    If you don't want to pay for Acrobat then PDF XChange
    Viewer v. 2.5 is probably the most functional. It can edit
    tax forms, but is not fully functional.

    There used to be an older free version of Acrobat online with
    a free key provided by Adobe. First they posted it, then
    they posted a message that it was only for people who
    already had the software, then they required one to contact
    them to get it. It was never clear whether it was legal to use.
    Their original terms and download said it was only legal to use
    if it were obtained from Adobe.... which of course it was!
    My guess is that they were putting it online to get people
    hooked so they'd buy the newer version and then get suckered
    into a subscription, but found more people happy with the
    old version than they had expected.

    Anyway.... if you find that you can decide for yourself
    whether you feel right about using it.

    | 2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    | browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    | to be paperless.
    |

    I just installed the Cute Writer, which I didn't know
    about. It was listed in a list of 10 programs obsoleted
    by Win10. I installed it on XP to convert HTML to PDF.
    It seems to work great.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Oct 23 20:12:54 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:21:46 -0500, Ant wrote:
    I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.


    There are a zillion choices. I use CutePDF and have been happy with
    it for years. It costs nothing.

    (There's probably no reason you can't continue using the same
    software you used in Windows XP, unless it was 16-bit software.)

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  • From The New Other Guy@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Oct 23 17:29:40 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:21:46 -0500, ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:


    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web >browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    CutePDF works great for me.





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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Sun Oct 23 19:56:57 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:08:16 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)

    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed,


    Sorry, but that is not correct. PDF files *can* be edited, if you have
    an appropriate program, such as Adobe Acrobat, but not with a program
    such as Adobe Reader.

    Besides Adobe Acrobat, there are also many other choices. A Google
    search will quickly turn up programs like PDFescape, PDF Pro, Sejda, PDFzorro, DocHub, etc.

    Also word processors like Microsoft Word and WordPerfect can edit pdf
    files.

    I've never used any of these, so I have no recommendations for Ant,
    other than suggesting that he (she? it?) download and try all those
    that are free.

    I stand corrected. Thank you for the information.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Oct 23 20:32:41 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On 10/23/2016 03:21 PM, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files? Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)


    Hi Ant,

    Not free. I use the excellent PDF Studio. Costs about
    $125 and is well worth it.

    https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/

    It has an unlimited trial (write demo across every other page),
    so you try before buying. The demo is great for technical
    research on long PDF tech docs., as it has a wonderful search
    tool. Their tech support is also EXTREMELY responsive and
    has fixed several issues for me.

    I pound the hell out the of the Linux version.

    Give the demo a whirl,

    -T

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 24 04:45:27 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Paul wrote:
    Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:08:16 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my >>>> old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have >>>> to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying >>>> to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)
    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed,


    Sorry, but that is not correct. PDF files *can* be edited, if you have
    an appropriate program, such as Adobe Acrobat, but not with a program
    such as Adobe Reader.

    Besides Adobe Acrobat, there are also many other choices. A Google
    search will quickly turn up programs like PDFescape, PDF Pro, Sejda,
    PDFzorro, DocHub, etc.

    Also word processors like Microsoft Word and WordPerfect can edit pdf
    files.

    I've never used any of these, so I have no recommendations for Ant,
    other than suggesting that he (she? it?) download and try all those
    that are free.


    For more info on the innards of PDF (may not be the
    latest version, but at least it'll show you some examples).
    [ 8.7MB 1236 pages ].

    http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/pdf/pdfs/pdf_reference_archives/PDFReference16.pdf

    In the spirit of trivia, here is the largest
    PDF I've ever downloaded. Try *this* in your editor
    and watch it choke :-) [ 154,752,614 bytes 28,365 pages ]

    https://download.microsoft.com/download/3/5/0/3502F151-5E4C-48E1-8ABE-C89E73CB1291/Windows%20Server%202003_en-us.pdf

    My copy of Acrobat Reader was running at 30% CPU for
    quite a while, after loading that. Maybe it was
    trying to index it ?

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Mon Oct 24 04:26:53 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:08:16 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my
    old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have
    to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying
    to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)
    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed,


    Sorry, but that is not correct. PDF files *can* be edited, if you have
    an appropriate program, such as Adobe Acrobat, but not with a program
    such as Adobe Reader.

    Besides Adobe Acrobat, there are also many other choices. A Google
    search will quickly turn up programs like PDFescape, PDF Pro, Sejda, PDFzorro, DocHub, etc.

    Also word processors like Microsoft Word and WordPerfect can edit pdf
    files.

    I've never used any of these, so I have no recommendations for Ant,
    other than suggesting that he (she? it?) download and try all those
    that are free.

    Acrobat has a variety of security levels, in terms of
    strength of key.

    The first irritant, is naive users of Distiller, leave
    the default security level enabled. This causes older
    versions of Acrobat to throw up messages. It seems modern
    users of Distiller are not capable of reviewing the security
    settings and setting them properly.

    There is at least one product, which can break the password
    on Acrobat files. It can find all but one level of key in
    a relatively short interval. It's possible the highest level
    is something like AES128 or similar. That product is
    available in trim levels, up to $500 a copy. The top level
    might require several days to attempt to crack the highest
    level of PDF security (brute force attack). In most cases
    though, you're dealing with clueless Distiller users, and
    this level of tool is not required. Still, if you need it,
    it's comforting to know that moderate-strength protection
    can be removed.

    The moral of the story is, if you don't want someone
    to have a piece of information, don't give it to them :-)
    Giving people a digital puzzle to solve, they'll
    eventually figure it out. Even if it costs $500
    to do it...

    *******

    Look for mupdf/mutool, to perform "trivial" cleaning.
    This is for cases where the nuisance level of protection
    is present.

    For example, a couple days ago, I needed to copy a couple
    lines of text from an Asus motherboard manual. Using mutool
    I was able to remove the "Cannot copy" protection from
    the document.

    MuPDF is hosted on the same site as GhostScript.

    http://ghostscript.com/download/

    http://mupdf.com/downloads/mupdf-1.9a-windows.zip

    mupdf-gl can view PDF files.
    mutool.exe is useful for command line cleaning.

    usage: mutool <command> [options]
    draw -- convert document
    run -- run javascript
    clean -- rewrite pdf file
    extract -- extract font and image resources
    info -- show information about pdf resources
    pages -- show information about pdf pages
    poster -- split large page into many tiles
    show -- show internal pdf objects
    create -- create pdf document
    merge -- merge pages from multiple pdf sources into a new pdf

    For example:

    mutool clean annoying_Intel_doc.pdf pleasant_to_use_Intel_doc.pdf

    The merge capability is something new, and I'll be
    testing that later today for a little project :-)

    *******

    PostScript ("the printer language") and PDF ("the document language")
    are actually computer programming languages.

    When you use a PDF editor, you are asking it to recognize
    subroutines in a computer program, and do something
    intelligent with them. And it's for this reason,
    that I expect you will sooner or later run into
    a situation where this causes a problem.

    For example, feed this to that "impressive" PDF editor
    you found, and see if you can edit it. Or at least
    think about whether it's reasonable to even attempt
    to edit this.

    http://ecee.colorado.edu/~kuester/smith/smith.pdf

    It's not really all that tricky, that one. The original
    work of art, was smith.ps. And smith.ps was written
    from first principles, as a computer programming challenge.
    The author of it, wrote subroutines in the PostScript language
    by hand, to draw that stuff. (The document was not created in
    so other tool and "printed" or "saved out".)

    A tool at the level of Adobe Illustrator is required
    to handle more complex programming constructs (maybe
    it can edit text on a spline curve baseline?). The
    other editors you'll find on the Internet, can be
    used to edit horizontal or vertical text, and
    convince you they're clever pieces of work. But
    if you look hard enough, you can always find a PDF
    that cannot be (intelligently) edited by them.

    As an example of lameness, PDF going into or out
    of LibreOffice, will leave you wondering what they
    were thinking. LibreOffice can "import PDF", but
    not in a way that I find useful. But at least
    observing what LibreOffice has done, will
    give you a feeling of how hard it is to do
    a good job.

    HTH,
    Paul

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  • From The New Other Guy@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 24 02:06:33 2016
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 04:45:27 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:


    In the spirit of trivia, here is the largest
    PDF I've ever downloaded. Try *this* in your editor
    and watch it choke :-) [ 154,752,614 bytes 28,365 pages ]

    https://download.microsoft.com/download/3/5/0/3502F151-5E4C-48E1-8ABE-C89E73CB1291/Windows%20Server%202003_en-us.pdf

    My copy of Acrobat Reader was running at 30% CPU for
    quite a while, after loading that. Maybe it was
    trying to index it ?

    DLed it in less than 30 seconds, and Sumatra on my old laptop with Win7
    opened it in less than 5 seconds. Rendering of pages above 5 or 6 took a
    bit longer.






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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Paul@Houston.Texas on Mon Oct 24 07:51:02 2016
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    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:56:57 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ken Blake wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:08:16 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

    Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    I just installed 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 last night due to a HDD crash on my >>>> old HDD with its Windows XP Pro SP3 and other old softwares. :( I have >>>> to look for software replacements:

    1. What is a good free PDF file editor to edit on exiting PDF files?
    Basically, add/edit/remove texts and stuff.

    2. I print to PDF files instead of the physical printer like from web
    browsers, Offices, etc. What's a good software to do that? I am trying >>>> to be paperless.

    Thank you in advance. :)

    The premise of PDF is that it is secure and text cannot be changed,


    Sorry, but that is not correct. PDF files *can* be edited, if you have
    an appropriate program, such as Adobe Acrobat, but not with a program
    such as Adobe Reader.

    Besides Adobe Acrobat, there are also many other choices. A Google
    search will quickly turn up programs like PDFescape, PDF Pro, Sejda,
    PDFzorro, DocHub, etc.

    Also word processors like Microsoft Word and WordPerfect can edit pdf
    files.

    I've never used any of these, so I have no recommendations for Ant,
    other than suggesting that he (she? it?) download and try all those
    that are free.

    I stand corrected. Thank you for the information.

    You're welcome. Glad to help.

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