• VTxxx series

    From acuatsytmlne@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Darin Reid on Mon Mar 23 04:13:12 2020
    On Thursday, April 23, 1992 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-7, Darin Reid wrote:
    Does anybody have or can make a complete list of DEC's VTxxx series?
    The ones I know of: vt100, vt102, vt125,vt131, vt220, vt240, vt320, vt330, vt1000, vt1200. Any others?

    - Darin

    (28 years later)
    Four years ago I began a list of unique first displays, arranged by make and time, that had the resolution to show NetHack, capped at a mebipixel, and now it has somewhere near 2000 entries. It includes typewriters, video formats, monitors, terminals,
    printers, desktops, laptops, PDAs, media players, handsets, LCDs, e-paper, and smartwatches. I didn't include "DEC Type 31, Ultra-Precision CRT Display (1962): 5";.." as it had a mad 4096×4096 resolution (see the Spacewar! pages).

    Here are my nearly-complete entries under DEC (and those terminals aren't nice < niais < nescius := not-skilled; ye are):

    DEC Type 30 (1959–): 13"; {104, (67, 52, 40)}[5+4{2, 3, 4, 5}:{10, 15, 20, 25]×{72, 49, 36, 29}[7+6{2, 3, 4, 5}:{14, 21, 28, 35}] = 1024×1024; 8 [skies, chartreuses] (P7); FIO-DEC
    DEC 338/339 Programmed Buffered Displays (): 14“; = 1024×1024;
    DEC VT01 (1970–1982?): 11“; 512×640; ; uppercase ASCII 64
    DEC VT05 (1970–1975): 12"; (72) 5:6 × (20) 7:10 = 432×200; 2 greys (P4); uppercase ASCII 65
    DEC VR14 (1970–): 11”; (25) 4 3:18 × (16) 6 3:21 = 450×338; 8 greens
    DEC VR20 (): “; ; 3 colors;
    DEC VR17 (1971–): 14”; (30) 4 3:18 × (20) 6 3:21 = 550×413; 8 greens
    DEC VT11 (1972–1981): 11“; [(73), 85][6:14, 6:12] × 31 8:25 = 1024×{768, 1024}; 9 greens; ASCII, ASCII 66, special
    DEC VT50 (1975–1978): 10"; 80 7:10 × (12) [7:10, :11] = 800×[120, 132]; 2 greys (P4); uppercase ASCII 64, UK, special
    DEC VT52 (1975–1978): 13"; 80 7:10 × 24 [7:10, :11] = 800×[240, 264]; 2 greys (P4); ASCII, UK, special
    DEC VT55 (1975–1978): 13"; [80, (73)][7:10, 7]×[24, 33][7:10, :11, 7] = [800, 512]×[240, 264, 236]; 2 greys (P4); ASCII, UK, special
    DEC VT61/T (–): “; ; greys (P4); ASCII
    DEC VS60 (1975–1981): 21”; (73) 6:14 × 31 8:24 = 1024×{768, 1024}, ((73) 6:14 × 31 8:24 = 1024×{768, 1024}); 8 ; ASCII, special, rotated, sub/superscript
    DEC VT71/T (1976–): 15"; 80 10 × 24 10 = 800×240; greys (P4); ASCII 94?
    DEC VT72/T (–):
    DEC VT61 (1976?1977–): 12"; 80 7:10 × 24 8:10 = 800×240; greys (P4); ASCII, , special
    DEC VT72 (1978–): 15"; 80 8:10 × 24 8:10 = 800×240; 3 greys (P4); ASCII, , special
    DEC VT100 (1978–1983): 12"; [132, 80, (66, 40)][:9, 7:10, :18, 14:20] × [24, (14, 12)][9:10, 18:20] = [1188, 800]×[240, 140]; 4 greys ReGIS {dark, dim grey, light grey, white}, 3 greys text {none, normal, bold} (P4); ANSI, ASCII, UK, special graphics
    DEC VK100 (1980–): "; [84, 82, 80, (78, 76, 74, 72, 70, 68, 66, 42, 40, 38, 36, 34, 32)][8, 18]×[24, (22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6)] 10 = [672, 656, 640, 624, 608, 592, 576, 560, 544, 528, 756, 720, 684, 648, 612, 576]×[240, 220, 200, 180, 160,
    140, (120, 100, 80, 60)]; 16 colors; ANSI, ASCII, UK, special; soft character sets
    DEC VT102 (): 12“; [132, 80, (66, 40)][:9, 7:10, :18, 14:20] × [24, (12)][10:, 5:] = [1188, 800]×[]; ; 4 greys ReGIS {dark, dim grey, light grey, white}, 3 greys text {none, normal, bold} (P4); ANSI, ASCII, UK, special graphics
    DEC Professional 325, 350 (1982): "; ; ;
    DEC VT173 (1981–1985): “; ;
    DEC VT220 (1983–1987): 12"; [132, 80, (66, 40)][:9, 7:10, 18, 20]×[24, (12)][9:10, 11?, 20] = [1188, 800, 720]×240; 3 {greys (P4), ambers (), greens, yellows?}; ASCII + DEC supplemental graphics = DEC-MCS, special graphics, soft character sets, ANSI
    controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT240 (1984–1987): 12"; 80 8:10 × 24 9:10 = ×, [800, 960]×240; 4 {greys (P4), greens (P31), ambers (P134)}; DEC-MCS, special graphics, ANSI controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT241 (1984–1987): 12"; 80 8:10 × 24 9:10 = ×, 800×240; 4/64 colors; DEC-MCS, special graphics, ANSI controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT320 (1987–1990): 14"; [132, 80][7:9, 12:15] × [25, 24] 7:12 = [1188, 1200]×[300, 288]; 3 {greens?, greys (P4), ambers (P3)} ({}); DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, NRCSs (North American, British, Flemish, Canadian French, Danish, Finnish,
    German/Austrian, Dutch, Italian, Swiss French, Swiss German, Swedish, Norwegian, French/Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese), DEC special graphics, soft character sets, ANSI controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT330 (1987–1990): 14"; [132, 80][9:10, 5:6, :15?]×[144, 72, 32, 25, 24][:12?, 12:20] = 800×500; {greens, greys (P4), ambers ()}; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ANSI controls, DEC controls, ; 4/64 greys
    DEC VT340 (1987–1990): 13"; [132, 80][9:10, 5:6, :15?]×[144, 72, 32, 25, 24][:12?, 12:20] = 800×500; colors; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ISO UK, DEC Dutch, DEC Finnish, ISO French, DEC French Canadian, ISO
    German, ISO Italian, DEC Norwegian/Danish, ISO Norwegian/Danish, DEC Portuguese, ISO Spanish, DEC Swedish, DEC Swiss, ANSI controls, DEC controls; 16/2^12 colors
    DEC VT420 (1990–1993): 14"; [132, 80][6:, 10:]×[24, 25, 36, 48][16:, 10:, 8:] = 800×[400, 414]; 3 {greys (P4), greens (P31), ambers (), yellows?, glasses?, }; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ISO UK, DEC Dutch,
    DEC Finnish, ISO French, DEC French Canadian, ISO German, ISO Italian, DEC Norwegian/Danish, ISO Norwegian/Danish, DEC Portuguese, ISO Spanish, DEC Swedish, DEC Swiss, ISO Latin-2 supplemental, (Asian), ANSI controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT1000 (1990): 15”; [132, 80, (66, 40)][:7?, 7:10, :14?, 14:20]×[24, (14, 12)][7:10, 11, 14:20] = [924?, 800, 1024]×[240, 264, 864]; [2, 3] {, }; ANSI, ASCII, UK, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, NRCSs (North American, British, Flemish, Canadian French,
    Danish, Finnish, German/Austrian, Dutch, Italian, Swiss French, Swiss German, Swedish, Norwegian, French/Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese), DEC supplemental graphics, special graphics, DEC controls
    DEC VXT2000 (1991–): {15, 19}“; 1024×768; {2 , 256 colors};
    DEC VT510 (1993–1995): "; [132, 80, (66, 40)][6:, 7:12, 8:10, 7:10:, 9, 7:9, 7:8, 6:8, 5:, 20, 18, 12:15, 7:9]×[24, 25, 36, 48, 43, 42, 26, 44, 27, (12)][16:, 10:14, 10:13, 9:10, 8:10, 7:10, 7:12, 10:11, 11?, 10:, 8:, 20, 10:16, 12:16, 20] = [1320,
    1200, 1188, 960, 800, 720, 640]×[400, 350, 312, 300, 288, 250, 240, 678, 672, 400, 384, 416, , 880, 540, 480]; 3 {greys (P4), ambers (), greens (P31)}, 4 greys ReGIS; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ISO UK, DEC
    Dutch, DEC Finnish, ISO French, DEC French Canadian, ISO German, ISO Italian, DEC Norwegian/Danish, ISO Norwegian/Danish, DEC Portuguese, ISO Spanish, DEC Swedish, DEC Swiss, ISO Latin-2 supplemental, ISO Latin-Cyrillic, ISO Latin-Greek, ISO Latin-Hebrew,
    ISO Latin-5, KOI-8 Cyrillic, DEC Greek, DEC Hebrew, DEC Turkish, PC International, PC Multilingual, PC Slavic, PC Greek, PC Spanish, PC Turkish, PC Portuguese, PC Hebrew, PC French/Canadian, PC Danish/Norwegian, PC Cyrillic, ANSI controls, DEC controls
    DEC VT520 (1994–): 14”; [132, 80, (66, 40)][6:, 7:12, 8:10, 7:10:, 9, 7:9, 7:8, 6:8, 5:, 20, 18, 12:15, 7:9]×[52, 24, 25, 36, 48, 43, 42, 26, 44, 27, (12)][10:16, 16:, 10:14, 10:13, 9:10, 8:10, 7:10, 7:12, 10:11, 11?, 10:, 8:, 20, 10:16, 12:16, 20] =
    [1320, 1200, 1188, 960, 800, 720, 640]×[832, 400, 350, 312, 300, 288, 250, 240, 678, 672, 400, 384, 416, , 880, 540]; 3 {greys (P4), ambers (), greens (P31)}, 4 greys ReGIS; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ISO UK,
    DEC Dutch, DEC Finnish, ISO French, DEC French Canadian, ISO German, ISO Italian, DEC Norwegian/Danish, ISO Norwegian/Danish, DEC Portuguese, ISO Spanish, DEC Swedish, DEC Swiss, ISO Latin-2 supplemental, ISO Latin-Cyrillic, ISO Latin-Greek, ISO Latin-
    Hebrew, ISO Latin-5, KOI-8 Cyrillic, DEC Greek, DEC Hebrew, DEC Turkish, PC International, PC Multilingual, PC Slavic, PC Greek, PC Spanish, PC Turkish, PC Portuguese, PC Hebrew, PC French/Canadian, PC Danish/Norwegian, PC Cyrillic, ANSI controls, DEC
    controls
    DEC VT525 (1994–1995): 14"; [132, 80, (66, 40)][6:, 7:12, 8:10, 7:10:, 9, 7:9, 7:8, 6:8, 5:, 20, 18, 7:9]×[52, 24, 25, 36, 48, 43, 42, 26, 44, 27, (12)][10:16, 16:, 10:14, 10:13, 8:10, 7:10, 7:12, 10:11, 11?, 10:, 8:, 20, 10:16, 12:16, 20] = [1320,
    1188, 960, 800, 720, 640]×[832, 400, 350, 312, 300, 288, 250, 240, 678, 672, 400, 384, 416, , 880, 540]; 3 {greys (P4), ambers (P3), greens (P31)}, 4 greys ReGIS; DEC-MCS, ISO Latin-1 supplemental, DEC special graphics, DEC technical, ISO UK, DEC Dutch,
    DEC Finnish, ISO French, DEC French Canadian, ISO German, ISO Italian, DEC Norwegian/Danish, ISO Norwegian/Danish, DEC Portuguese, ISO Spanish, DEC Swedish, DEC Swiss, ISO Latin-2 supplemental, ISO Latin-Cyrillic, ISO Latin-Greek, ISO Latin-Hebrew, ISO
    Latin-5, KOI-8 Cyrillic, DEC Greek, DEC Hebrew, DEC Turkish, PC International, PC Multilingual, PC Slavic, PC Greek, PC Spanish, PC Turkish, PC Portuguese, PC Hebrew, PC French/Canadian, PC Danish/Norwegian, PC Cyrillic, ANSI controls, DEC controls

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  • From acuatsytmlne@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 23 04:40:11 2020
    I need to delete the P3 and the stray field under VT320. For some reason terminal manufacturers used a different phosphor naming than the original list, with names past P100, and I can't find any info on them. VT320's "green" version seems to be more
    glass (emerald-teal), P24; some look off-amber; and there are a bunch of VT420s that look like P7?!: https://terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/DEC_VT420.

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  • From acuatsytmlne@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 23 04:38:15 2020
    I need to delete the P3 and the stray field under VT320. For some reason terminal manufacturers used a different phosphor naming than the original list, with names past P100, and I can't find any info on them. VT320's "green" version seems to be more
    glass (emerald-teal), P24; some look off-amber; and there are a bunch of that VT420s that look like P7?!: https://terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/DEC_VT420.

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  • From acuatsytmlne@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 23 04:42:36 2020
    Delete the P3 and the stray field under VT320. For some reason terminal manufacturers used a different phosphor naming than the original list, with names past P100, and I can't find any info on them. VT320's "green" version seems to be more glass (
    emerald-teal), P24; some look off-amber; and there are a bunch of VT420s that look like P7?!: terminals-wiki.org/wiki/index.php/DEC_VT420.

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  • From Ross Combs@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 25 16:17:19 2020
    A nice list!

    There were also models for Asian language support. I don't know much about them, so I can't provide all the fields you list.

    There were VT52J, VT102J, and VT220J versions which supported Katakana.

    There were also a VT80 and VT282 with Kanji support. The VT284 and VT286 models might have been VT282 variants for other languages.

    There were at least three VT382 versions for different Asian languages.

    The VT382 was similar to the VT330, in that it supported graphics, but it only supported sixels and not ReGIS (I think). It was monochrome, but had a high resolution of 960x750 instead of 800x480 for the VT330/VT340.

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  • From Ross Combs@21:1/5 to Mayer Goldberg on Sat Jul 25 16:29:22 2020
    Apologies for a correction to a 28 year old post...


    On Friday, April 24, 1992 at 4:32:48 AM UTC+2, Mayer Goldberg wrote:
    pdsmith@bbn.com (Peter D. Smith) writes:

    NAME COMMENTS
    ---- --------

    VT125 VT100 with ReGIS (graphics) as an add-on board

    This is not a vt100 compatible. It is vt52 compatible OR ansi
    compatible. It also comes (came) with a built in BASIC interpreter,
    which could upload and download programs/data to and from a host.

    That's not correct. The VT125 was just a VT100 with an expansion card installed. You are probably thinking of the GIGI (VT100).


    VT220 Nice text terminal; has bitmap graphics

    The vt220 has no bitmapped graphics. It supports DEC sixels, which are
    good for defining a user-downloadable character set, but that's not
    the same as real graphics.

    It's true that it supports sixels only for defining soft character sets. But the VT240/VT241 and VT330/VT340 do support sixels for bitmapped graphics.

    Having said that, lots of hacky programs exist(ed) to display an image by defining soft characters and placing them on screen to reproduce an input image, so it is understandable that people found this confusing.


    VT240 Nice graphics terminal

    Graphics: ReGIS, Tektronix.

    Generally the vt220, vt320, vt420 are one series ... The 320 has a
    very nice menu set up. vt240, vt340 are one series too. I've never
    heard of a vt440 ...

    The VT240 and VT340 are quite different devices, both in terms of hardware and in the features they support. The VT340/VT341 is backwards compatible with the VT220, sure.

    But the VT220 is unlike any of the others you list as it doesn't support:

    * sixel graphics
    * ReGIS graphics
    * Tektronix 4010/4014 graphics (yes, all the others supported this)


    -Ross

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  • From Ross Combs@21:1/5 to Ross Combs on Sat Jul 25 16:32:11 2020
    On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 1:29:22 AM UTC+2, Ross Combs wrote:

    On Friday, April 24, 1992 at 4:32:48 AM UTC+2, Mayer Goldberg wrote:

    VT125 VT100 with ReGIS (graphics) as an add-on board

    This is not a vt100 compatible. It is vt52 compatible OR ansi
    compatible. It also comes (came) with a built in BASIC interpreter,
    which could upload and download programs/data to and from a host.

    That's not correct. The VT125 was just a VT100 with an expansion card installed. You are probably thinking of the GIGI (VT100).

    Ugh, now I added to the confusion. I meant the GIGI was the same as the VK100.

    -Ross

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  • From acuatsytmlne@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Ross Combs on Sat Jul 25 21:33:07 2020
    On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 4:17:20 PM UTC-7, Ross Combs wrote:
    A nice list!
    Read my first post again. It's not nescient; you are.

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