• How often do you rebuild your macOS Big Sur v11's Spotlight indexes?

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 20:08:27 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Jul 1 20:09:43 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Oh and I forgot "How often do you rebuild your macOS Big Sur v11's Spotlight indexes?" in the body. :)

    In comp.sys.mac.system Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Thu Jul 1 23:46:33 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
    to search for anything.

    you must not have very many files, or you don't do very much with your computer.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Jul 1 23:31:46 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
    to search for anything.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Jul 1 21:34:22 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed
    to search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Fri Jul 2 09:11:51 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    Insecurity?

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed to search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 2 06:44:05 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    I think in 15 years of macOS/OS X I've rebuilt spotlight indexes maybe
    4 or 5 times total. I am pretty sure I have not done it under Big Sur or Monterey.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard W Lisse on Fri Jul 2 00:25:12 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-02 12:11 a.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    Insecurity?

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In
    over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have
    never needed to search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

    I don't suffer idiots gladly.

    I'm not sorry about that.

    The simple fact is that his post was completely unhelpful.

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Fri Jul 2 11:54:41 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Ah, insecurity it is.

    el

    On 02/07/2021 09:25, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-02 12:11 a.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    Insecurity?

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In
    over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have
    never needed to search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

    I don't suffer idiots gladly.

    I'm not sorry about that.

    The simple fact is that his post was completely unhelpful.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@lisse.NA on Fri Jul 2 07:37:20 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
    assuming the post is not trollbait.

    Insecurity?

    no.

    and don't top post.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30 >> years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to >> search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 2 08:39:55 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):

    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I’ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
    usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems with a search?

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Fri Jul 2 08:46:47 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
    to search for anything.

    Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
    files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 2 16:22:07 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    el

    On 02/07/2021 13:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
    assuming the post is not trollbait.

    Insecurity?

    no.

    and don't top post.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over 30
    years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.


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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@lisse.NA on Fri Jul 2 11:12:40 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
    as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
    usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
    being told to not do that in numerous threads.

    A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
    Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
    A: Top-posting.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?


    el

    On 02/07/2021 13:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
    assuming the post is not trollbait.

    Insecurity?

    no.

    and don't top post.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30
    years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard Lisse on Fri Jul 2 16:48:01 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
    have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
    computer is trivial.

    I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
    an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
    Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
    when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
    her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
    music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

    Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
    possibility.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard Lisse on Fri Jul 2 16:49:19 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    --
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me on Fri Jul 2 13:14:41 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
    have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
    computer is trivial.

    yep

    I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
    an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
    Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
    when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
    her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
    music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

    she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
    but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
    engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
    client data in the accounting software.

    Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
    possibility.

    it guarantees it.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Jul 2 16:41:39 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <0001HW.268F42370BECC43F7000098EA38F@news.supernews.com> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
    to search for anything.

    Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

    Agreed. Spotlight is a great tool.

    $ DF
    Drobo
    CPCTY: 14.3619 TB
    AVAIL: 2.75545 TB
    Local
    CPCTY: 39.9932 TB
    AVAIL: 20.1888 TB

    In addition to that, I have another 30TB of network storage mounted, and
    that is also spotlight indexed. I'd never find anything without it, or
    at least it would take me a lot longer (hours).

    --
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Lewis on Fri Jul 2 14:18:12 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
    (in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

    In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 2 15:26:39 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>,
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    EasyFind has always been a much better (and more useful) alternative for
    me. I'm only on El Capitan though and I'm not sure if it's still being developed for later systems (probably isn't).

    I found Spotlight so obnoxious on earlier systems (like Tiger which I
    still use very often) I installed the shareware app Spotless to kill it.

    Thankfully Spotlight isn't as annoying with its automatic rebuilds in El
    Cap.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Jul 2 17:29:36 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):

    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems with a search?

    Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents. Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 3 01:43:10 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
    have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
    computer is trivial.

    yep

    I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
    an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
    Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
    when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
    her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
    music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

    she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
    but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
    engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
    client data in the accounting software.

    I was thinking of the ;search; comparable to spotlight.

    Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
    possibility.

    it guarantees it.

    Yeah, I binned the idiot.

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    are stupider than that.

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sat Jul 3 09:28:11 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Who's Ebie?

    el

    On 2021-07-02 20:18 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
    (in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

    In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.


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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 3 09:28:32 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    And don't insult.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 13:37 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
    assuming the post is not trollbait.

    Insecurity?

    no.

    and don't top post.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over 30
    years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sat Jul 3 09:27:40 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
    fecal language.

    On 2021-07-02 18:49 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 3 09:33:15 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    One idiots's free speech is another's crimen injuria.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 17:12 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
    as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
    usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
    being told to not do that in numerous threads.

    [...] Q/A intentionally deleted.

    el

    On 02/07/2021 13:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Where does the need to insult people come from?

    he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
    assuming the post is not trollbait.

    Insecurity?

    no.

    and don't top post.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over 30
    years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed to
    search for anything.


    Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sat Jul 3 09:40:42 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Yes you binned and plunked me and yet you can't resist.

    el

    On 2021-07-03 03:43 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
    <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
    have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
    computer is trivial.

    yep

    I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
    an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
    Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
    when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
    her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
    music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

    she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
    but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
    engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
    client data in the accounting software.

    I was thinking of the ;search; comparable to spotlight.

    Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
    possibility.

    it guarantees it.

    Yeah, I binned the idiot.


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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sat Jul 3 09:39:50 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
    plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
    what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
    don't concern me much.

    The only thing I search in is my mail archive (in a MySQL Data base)
    going back 1o 1999 (I lost the 20 years before that).

    For Spotlight I turned off everything by Applications in the
    Preferences because the SOftware Update depends on it, but I haven't
    had the need for Spotlight search of files ever.

    I use find on the command line with its options which existed before
    MacOS and will probably survive it.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 18:48 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.

    And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
    have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
    computer is trivial.

    I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She
    is an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only
    two. Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree
    became when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the
    only data on her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the
    only data, no music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

    Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
    possibility.


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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sat Jul 3 09:50:18 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    2>/dev/null \
    | grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    | sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    |awk '{print $2}' \
    |sed 's/;//g' \
    |sort -u \
    |grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    el

    On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
    to search for anything.

    Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?


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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard W Lisse on Sat Jul 3 08:51:24 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
    (in article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>):


    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    /dev/null \
    grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    awk '{print $2}' \
    sed 's/;//g' \
    sort -u \
    grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    el

    going to a lot of trouble writing scripts vs just using the built in search feature... decisions, decisions.

    giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.

    Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.


    On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to search for anything.

    Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and
    have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
    that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard W Lisse on Sat Jul 3 08:49:00 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
    (in article <ikahrcFahfgU2@mid.individual.net>):


    I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
    fecal language.

    yep, you’re a troll.


    On 2021-07-02 18:49 , Lewis wrote:
    In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Dr Eberhard W Lisse on Sat Jul 3 08:48:23 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
    (in article <ikahsbFahfgU3@mid.individual.net>):

    Who's Ebie?

    that’d be you, Ebie.

    Your continual top-posting is one of the marks of the more idiotic trolls.
    Your inability to make interesting posts is another. Keep it up and you’ll
    be killfiled.


    el

    On 2021-07-02 20:18 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
    (in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

    In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jul 3 09:01:29 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
    (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):

    It seems I have to do it monthly (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
    the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
    with a search?

    Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents. Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(

    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless
    there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
    reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and you need a new drive.

    Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a
    sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sat Jul 3 15:28:57 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
    (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
    the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
    usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
    usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
    with a search?

    Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
    Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(

    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and you need a new drive.

    Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

    Yep. Something is definitely wrong.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@lisse.NA on Sat Jul 3 12:59:27 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    And don't insult.

    if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
    so yourself.

    In article <ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
    what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
    don't concern me much.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 3 21:30:31 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Agreed. This is why I don't do it.

    el

    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    And don't insult.

    if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
    so yourself.

    In article <ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
    plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
    what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
    don't concern me much.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sat Jul 3 21:29:50 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Wolfgang,

    my name name is not Ebie.

    el

    On 2021-07-03 14:48 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
    (in article <ikahsbFahfgU3@mid.individual.net>):

    Who's Ebie?

    that’d be you, Ebie.

    Your continual top-posting is one of the marks of the more idiotic trolls. Your inability to make interesting posts is another. Keep it up and you’ll be killfiled.


    el

    On 2021-07-02 20:18 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
    (in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

    In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Ah, insecurity it is.

    You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.

    oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Sat Jul 3 21:31:12 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    I am so impressed by the wannabe plonkers.

    el

    On 2021-07-03 14:51 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
    (in article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>):


    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    /dev/null \
    grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    awk '{print $2}' \
    sed 's/;//g' \
    sort -u \
    grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    el

    going to a lot of trouble writing scripts vs just using the built in search feature... decisions, decisions.

    giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.

    Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.


    On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
    30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed >>>> to search for anything.

    Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, >>> and
    have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
    connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in >>> all
    that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
    files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend >>> moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?



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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 3 21:41:08 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Aha.

    Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
    both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
    TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
    of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.

    And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
    scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
    itself, of course.

    It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
    no need to maintain.

    But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
    troll them?

    el

    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    2>/dev/null \
    | grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    | sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    |awk '{print $2}' \
    |sed 's/;//g' \
    |sort -u \
    |grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.

    even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.

    you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
    when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
    kiddie would laugh at.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
    *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and fundamentally broken.

    the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
    around.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
    your ability to effectively search.


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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@lisse.NA on Sat Jul 3 17:20:06 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Aha.

    Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
    both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
    TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
    of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.

    it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
    with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.

    the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.

    And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
    itself, of course.

    It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
    no need to maintain.

    it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.



    But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
    troll them?

    what were you saying about not insulting?

    In article <ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    And don't insult.

    if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
    so yourself.

    Agreed. This is why I don't do it.

    top posting fixed.

    not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
    you are a liar.




    el

    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    2>/dev/null \
    | grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    | sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    |awk '{print $2}' \
    |sed 's/;//g' \
    |sort -u \
    |grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.

    even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.

    you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
    when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
    kiddie would laugh at.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
    *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and fundamentally broken.

    the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
    around.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
    your ability to effectively search.


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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jul 4 03:17:02 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
    (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
    the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
    usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
    with a search?

    Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
    Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(

    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
    or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
    backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
    full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
    you need a new drive.

    Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

    Yep. Something is definitely wrong.

    Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
    last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
    GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
    Reboot didn't help. :(
    --
    Will 2021 repeat 2020? :(
    Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jul 4 03:18:41 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
    (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
    (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
    the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
    usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

    Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
    with a search?

    Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
    Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(

    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
    or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
    backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
    full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
    you need a new drive.

    Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

    Yep. Something is definitely wrong.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/obzjzz/how_often_do_you_rebuild_your_macos_big_sur_v11s/h3r287c/ has the same issue. The user says reboot fixes it, but not for my client and me.
    --
    Will 2021 repeat 2020? :(
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jul 5 00:13:50 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    Aha.

    Another wannabe.

    el


    On 2021-07-03 23:20 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    Aha.

    Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
    both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
    TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
    of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.

    it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
    with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.

    the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.

    And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
    scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
    itself, of course.

    It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
    no need to maintain.

    it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.



    But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
    troll them?

    what were you saying about not insulting?

    In article <ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    And don't insult.

    if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
    so yourself.

    Agreed. This is why I don't do it.

    top posting fixed.

    not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
    you are a liar.




    el

    On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
    In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
    <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

    I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
    -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
    -exec bash -c '
    tput bold;
    echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
    tput sgr0;
    echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
    then
    for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
    do
    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
    then
    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
    "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
    2>/dev/null \
    | grep -v "[\{\}]";
    fi;
    done;
    fi)' \; \
    | sort -f

    or

    find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
    -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
    -name '*.pl' \
    -type f \
    -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    |awk '{print $2}' \
    |sed 's/;//g' \
    |sort -u \
    |grep -v \
    -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
    -e ^and \
    -e ^Apache \
    -e ^base \
    -e ^bytes \
    -e ^constant \
    -e ^experimental \
    -e ^feature \
    -e ^fields \
    -e ^hasn \
    -e ^lib \
    -e ^open \
    -e ^routines. \
    -e ^strict \
    -e ^subs \
    -e ^sysread \
    -e ^use \
    -e ^vars \
    -e ^version \
    -e ^warnings \
    -e ^when

    for example.

    looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.

    even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.

    you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
    when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
    kiddie would laugh at.

    I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
    oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
    for large scale file shifting.

    what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
    *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
    fundamentally broken.

    the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
    around.

    I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
    either.

    you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
    your ability to effectively search.


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  • From J Burns@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jul 5 16:46:08 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
    started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.

    I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt Spotlight, it
    would show some of the ODT files with the term.

    I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I knew
    how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.

    For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple hasn't
    fixed it, I should.

    Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to search
    them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a good
    searchable format for word processor documents?

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to J Burns on Mon Jul 5 14:03:49 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
    started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.

    I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt Spotlight, it
    would show some of the ODT files with the term.

    I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I knew
    how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file.  DOCX also uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.

    For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple hasn't
    fixed it, I should.

    Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to search
    them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a good
    searchable format for word processor documents?

    'LibreOffice comes with a Spotlight importer in its bundle. You can
    confirm this with the following terminal command:


    /usr/bin/mdimport -L


    , which lists available importers and included in this list should be:



    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter. mdimporter"'

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>

    And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:

    '"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 9 02:23:21 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    ...
    Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a
    sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

    Yep. Something is definitely wrong.

    Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
    last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
    GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
    Reboot didn't help. :(

    And again last night. Is there a Spotlight log somewhere in macOS? I
    forgot to mention this is in a standard level account (not admin.).
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Jul 9 02:26:55 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    ...
    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(


    2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.


    3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and you need a new drive.

    We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
    external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
    Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
    index.
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me on Fri Jul 9 09:14:58 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsegifm.1il6.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
    into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
    where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and slow-downs.

    that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
    relatively small amounts of memory.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 9 13:07:02 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9nZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    ...
    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
    into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
    where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and slow-downs.

    Despite the advice, using sub folders will not make the slightest impact
    on Spotlight.

    2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
    there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.

    I suspect the issue it the Office.mdimporter file, since it is office
    files that seem to be the issue.

    We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
    external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
    Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
    index.

    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    --
    You'd be a very high-level X-Men like Emma Frost's Diamond Form.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Lewis on Fri Jul 9 14:55:06 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9nZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    ...
    Ah...

    1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
    into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
    where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and slow-downs.

    He doesn't stuff everything into his desktop for sure since he gets confused with his cluttered desktop. :)


    Despite the advice, using sub folders will not make the slightest impact
    on Spotlight.

    Ah, OK.


    2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
    there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

    Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.

    I suspect the issue it the Office.mdimporter file, since it is office
    files that seem to be the issue.

    According to
    http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2009100219405524, https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_mac-mso_mac2011/outlook-2011-spotlight-not-working-mud-folder/3f7a8a3b-143e-472e-838f-c269da4f70e2.
    etc. (outdated though), /Library has Spotlight, but there is no
    Spotlight subdirectory. I also checked local ~/Library). I forgot to
    mention that Office is v16.50 (365 subscription from USC.edu). https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
    in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and
    reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
    reindex ALL datas in this account. :(


    We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
    external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
    Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
    index.

    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
    reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?

    --
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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jul 9 22:51:19 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <090720210914587802%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsegifm.1il6.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
    into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
    where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
    slow-downs.

    that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
    relatively small amounts of memory.

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
    it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    --
    "Alas, earwax."

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 9 22:50:12 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?

    I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
    many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
    for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
    Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.

    I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
    not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.

    --
    Yeah, Nick. Nick's the kinda guy you can trust. Nick's your buddy
    Nick's the kinda guy you drink beers with. The kinda guy that
    doesn't care if you puke in his car. Nick.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me on Fri Jul 9 19:25:35 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsehkn7.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
    where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
    slow-downs.

    that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
    relatively small amounts of memory.

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
    it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.

    the problem with desktop icons in early versions of mac os x was that
    each icon was implemented as a small window, which has its own backing
    store. that's a lot of memory for simply having an icon on the desktop.

    since macs back then didn't have much memory and the the cpus had to
    redraw each 'window', things quickly became sluggish. those who had a
    lot of desktop icons ended up thrashing fairly quickly, and adding to
    that, hard drives back then weren't that fast.

    but as i said, that hasn't been a problem since at least 10.3 or 10.4.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 9 23:49:23 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.software Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    ...
    mention that Office is v16.50 (365 subscription from USC.edu). https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
    in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
    reindex ALL datas in this account. :(

    OK, it looks like Spotlight reindexed the whole 2 TB SSD (.36 TB
    used/1.64 TB free). I noticed Spotlight's searches revealed way more
    search hits in "HD". Documents folder's results were the same. Let's
    hope this stays this way and not miss any like before.
    --
    Go LA (NBA)! Oh wait... It had been over a year... Will 2021 repeat 2020? :( Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Lewis on Fri Jul 9 23:41:01 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.software Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?

    I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
    many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
    for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
    Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.

    I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
    not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.

    Alright. Thanks anyways! At least, you gave more ideas. :)
    --
    Go LA (NBA)! Oh wait... It had been over a year... Will 2021 repeat 2020? :( Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 10 14:42:48 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <090720211925359730%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsehkn7.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
    images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
    listen. :(

    He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
    organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data >> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.

    The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder >> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
    slow-downs.

    that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
    panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
    relatively small amounts of memory.

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
    it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.

    Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
    single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
    time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder window.

    --
    I miss the old days. I haven't killed anyone in years.

    That's sad.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me on Sat Jul 10 14:32:20 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsejcf8.2iu1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
    it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.

    Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
    single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
    time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder window.

    10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 10 18:57:30 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <100720211432209073%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsejcf8.2iu1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but >> >> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.

    Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
    single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
    time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
    window.

    10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.

    Not really as it is only the first time it is opened. And then you see it
    has 37,336 files in it. Also, it is probably less as I did not time it,
    and waiting on a screen to load always feels much longer than it is. The
    second time I opened it it had 37,347 files in it and it opened instantly.


    --
    Mister Teatime had a truly brilliant mind, but it was brilliant like
    a fractured mirror, all marvelous facets and rainbows but,
    ultimately, also something that was broken. --Hogfather

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jul 10 22:17:56 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    It's not the opening of the Window but the generation of the icons
    that takes the time.

    el

    On 2021-07-10 20:32 , nospam wrote:
    In article <slrnsejcf8.2iu1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but >>>> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.

    thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.

    Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
    single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
    time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
    window.

    10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.


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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sun Jul 11 18:03:35 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsehkl4.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?

    I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
    many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
    for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
    Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.

    I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
    not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.

    I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with
    Tiger.

    11.6.1 seems to be able to convert any Word documents from later apps, I haven't run across one it can't yet.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Jul 12 13:33:33 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <super70s-C8105C.18033511072021@reader02.eternal-september.org> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsehkl4.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant
    <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.

    So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
    reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?

    I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
    many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
    for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
    Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.

    I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
    not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.

    I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with Tiger.

    No, you can run 5.1 in a MacOS 9 CLASSIC environment running under
    Tiger, and Classic is running a previous century OS (possibly with a
    couple of updates) released in this millennium.

    So no, Word 5.1 cannot run on any OS in the last 22 years (MacOS 9 was
    released in 1999).

    Other than an April 1 issue of TidBITS back in 2003, there was never a
    versions of Word 5.1 for Mac OS X.

    --
    Trying?
    if you quote yoda, i swear upon everything holy that i will book a
    flight to okinawa to kick your ass.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Lewis on Tue Jul 13 05:09:34 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnseoh5d.2s03.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <super70s-C8105C.18033511072021@reader02.eternal-september.org> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsehkl4.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
    not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.

    I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with Tiger.

    No, you can run 5.1 in a MacOS 9 CLASSIC environment running under
    Tiger,

    I thought that was too obvious to mention.

    So no, Word 5.1 cannot run on any OS in the last 22 years (MacOS 9 was released in 1999).

    I wasn't disputing that.

    Other than an April 1 issue of TidBITS back in 2003, there was never a versions of Word 5.1 for Mac OS X.

    Didn't know that but I wouldn't need it since as I said I can also run
    11.6.1 on Tiger. I don't even need 5.1 since 11.6.1 opens up all the
    files that were created with 5.1, I just keep it on the HD for old
    time's sake.

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  • From J Burns@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Fri Jul 16 14:27:22 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
    On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
    It seems I have to do it monthly
    (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
    matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
    older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
    started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.

    I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose
    content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt
    Spotlight, it would show some of the ODT files with the term.

    I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I
    knew how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file.  DOCX also
    uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.

    For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple
    hasn't fixed it, I should.

    Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to
    search them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a
    good searchable format for word processor documents?

    'LibreOffice comes with a Spotlight importer in its bundle. You can
    confirm this with the following terminal command:


         /usr/bin/mdimport -L


    , which lists available importers and included in this list should be:



    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.
    mdimporter"'

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>

    And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:

    '"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",


    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a question!

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
    Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to J Burns on Fri Jul 16 19:28:37 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:

    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
    question!

    Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
    an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.

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  • From J Burns@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Jul 26 15:36:33 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:

    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
    question!

    Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
    Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
    an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.


    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",

    "/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"



    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
    in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
    that haven't been opened in years.

    Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
    bicycles.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to J Burns on Mon Jul 26 19:41:16 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    On Jul 26, 2021 at 12:36:33 PM MST, "J Burns" wrote <sdn2s2$tb3$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:

    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
    question!

    Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
    Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
    an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.


    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImport er.mdimporter",

    "/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimpo rter"



    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
    directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
    in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
    that haven't been opened in years.

    Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
    bicycles.

    Sounds tiring.

    --
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    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to J Burns on Tue Jul 27 15:58:23 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:

    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
    question!

    Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
    Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
    an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
    "/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"

    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
    directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    I'm confused.

    Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?

    I quote:

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
    an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"

    What am I missing?

    Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
    in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
    that haven't been opened in years.

    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
    Spotlight plugin.

    Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
    bicycles.

    Okay.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
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    JR

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Jul 27 21:58:08 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <imaoovFifqbU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
    Spotlight plugin.

    A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>


    --
    Reality is a curve. That's not the problem. The problem is that there
    isn't as much as there should be. According to some of the more
    mystical texts in the stacks of the library of Unseen University
    - (...) - at least nine-tenths of all the original reality ever
    created lies outside the multiverse, and since the multiverse by
    definition includes absolutely everything that is anything, this
    puts a bit of a strain on things. --Moving Pictures

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me on Tue Jul 27 18:42:36 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnsg10bg.16d1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice Spotlight plugin.

    A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>

    it's what they do best.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 28 12:31:11 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <270720211842368486%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsg10bg.16d1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
    Spotlight plugin.

    A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>

    it's what they do best.

    To be fair, they are largely copying MS Office functionality, perhaps
    they are emulating the bugs as well?


    --
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    touching the ground at all And she's up above the yard

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Lewis on Wed Jul 28 16:12:35 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-28, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <270720211842368486%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrnsg10bg.16d1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
    <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
    Spotlight plugin.

    A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>

    it's what they do best.

    To be fair, they are largely copying MS Office functionality, perhaps
    they are emulating the bugs as well?

    +1

    : D

    --
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  • From J Burns@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jul 31 10:22:29 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:

    Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
    question!

    Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...

    When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
    Thunderbird and LibreOffice.

    What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see >>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
    "/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"

    Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
    LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
    wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
    directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find
    OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    I'm confused.

    Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?

    I quote:

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see >>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"

    What am I missing?

    I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
    "mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.

    Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?

    Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
    in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
    that haven't been opened in years.

    If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
    Spotlight plugin.

    Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
    bicycles.

    Okay.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to J Burns on Sat Jul 31 17:46:56 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-07-31, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
    "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
    find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    I'm confused.

    Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?

    I quote:

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
    did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"

    What am I missing?

    I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
    "mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.

    Ah - sorry, I missed that distinction.

    Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?

    I wouldn't think an app cleaner is required (and they often cause more
    problems than they solve by deleting things they shouldn't anyway). Just reinstall it over what you already have (or drag the app to the trash
    first).

    --
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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From J Burns@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Aug 2 00:13:13 2021
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.systems, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 7/31/21 1:46 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-31, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

    Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
    installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
    "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.

    In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
    find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter

    But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.

    I'm confused.

    Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?

    I quote:

    Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
    did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?

    Yes.

    "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"

    What am I missing?

    I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
    "mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.

    Ah - sorry, I missed that distinction.

    Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?

    I wouldn't think an app cleaner is required (and they often cause more problems than they solve by deleting things they shouldn't anyway). Just reinstall it over what you already have (or drag the app to the trash
    first).


    I went to Openoffice.org for the latest, and they recommended
    Libreoffice. Openoffice.org quit years ago. I was hardly aware that I'd
    been using Apache Open Office. They don't seem to have been very busy
    since 2014, so there could be an overlooked Spotlight problem.

    I'll switch to Libreoffice. There was something I disliked the last time
    I tried it, but I don't even remember what.

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