• Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS Catal

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 21:12:35 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Nov 12 16:20:13 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    On 2023-11-12 16:12, Ant wrote:
    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    If you run a VM with an older verion of Mac OS in it, yes.

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  • From Percival John Hackworth@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 22:38:45 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    On Nov 12, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Run earlier version of MacOS in a Virtual Machine with Virtualbox or VMware.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Nov 13 02:39:10 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    How about multiple macOS versions like I do with BootCamp (32-bit macOS v10.14.6 and 64-bit Windows 10)?
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Percival John Hackworth on Mon Nov 13 19:26:19 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-12 22:38:45 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On Nov 12, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Run earlier version of MacOS in a Virtual Machine with Virtualbox or VMware.

    The three main options are: VMWare Fusion*, Parallels Desktop,
    VirtualBox. These will run the older MacOS within the newer MacOS,
    which can be handy, but will also be a bit slower since both OSes are
    using the one computer's resources. VMWare Fusion Player is free for
    personal use - you just need to create a free VMWare acount first. <https://customerconnect.vmware.com/en/evalcenter?p=fusion-player-personal-13>

    The other option is to make it a dual boot Mac so you can boot into
    either Catalina or the older MacOS version. There may be the odd
    potential pitfall, and it does require rebooting to use the older or
    newer OS. The benefit is that the running OS will have full use of the computer's resources.

    Which ever option you use, you'll need a fairly hefty amount of disk
    space (either internal or external drives) since you're installing
    basically two operating systems.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Nov 13 12:29:57 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-13 01:26, Your Name wrote:

    The three main options are: VMWare Fusion*, Parallels Desktop,
    VirtualBox. These will run the older MacOS within the newer MacOS, which
    can be handy, but will also be a bit slower since both OSes are using

    Not really - since the usual use case of VM is, for the user, to access something in the other OS that's not in the primary OS, there is little
    to no noticeable impact on performance. Unless one contrives to have
    intense work going on both, you would never know they were both running
    on the same machine.

    the one computer's resources. VMWare Fusion Player is free for personal
    use - you just need to create a free VMWare acount first.

    Keep forgetting about that free version. Both current versions I run
    are for my company however.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Nov 13 12:19:54 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    On 2023-11-12 21:39, Ant wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    How about multiple macOS versions like I do with BootCamp (32-bit macOS v10.14.6 and 64-bit Windows 10)?

    VM Managers such as Fusion and Parallels allow several OS' to be run at
    the same time (Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris...). Bootcamp is an
    abject waste of time.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan Browne- on Tue Nov 14 09:03:04 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-13 17:19:54 +0000, Alan Browne- said:
    On 2023-11-12 21:39, Ant wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    How about multiple macOS versions like I do with BootCamp (32-bit macOS
    v10.14.6 and 64-bit Windows 10)?

    VM Managers such as Fusion and Parallels allow several OS' to be run at
    the same time (Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris...). Bootcamp is an
    abject waste of time.

    Bootcamp is good if you need the full speed of your computer, without
    two (or more) OSes competing for the resources. On older Macs and/or
    running complex apps, there can be a relatively significant difference.

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  • From Alan Browne-@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Nov 13 15:24:06 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-13 15:03, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-13 17:19:54 +0000, Alan Browne- said:
    On 2023-11-12 21:39, Ant wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    How about multiple macOS versions like I do with BootCamp (32-bit macOS
    v10.14.6 and 64-bit Windows 10)?

    VM Managers such as Fusion and Parallels allow several OS' to be run
    at the same time (Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris...).  Bootcamp is an
    abject waste of time.

    Bootcamp is good if you need the full speed of your computer, without
    two (or more) OSes competing for the resources. On older Macs and/or
    running complex apps, there can be a relatively significant difference.

    Other than gaming, it's a fairly moot thing. I used to run Fusion on my
    old Core-Duo (2007) with no issues at all - though I wasn't doing video
    renders in those days. Usually use Windows for some legacy s/w or to
    please my accountants who seem stuck in 1990 and Sage 50.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Nov 14 01:43:22 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.software, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.systems

    On 2023-11-13, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    How about multiple macOS versions like I do with BootCamp (32-bit macOS v10.14.6 and 64-bit Windows 10)?

    That's much more cumbersome to set up and use then running a VM.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 15 17:44:57 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-12 23:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-12 22:38:45 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On Nov 12, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Run earlier version of MacOS in a Virtual Machine with Virtualbox or
    VMware.

    The three main options are: VMWare Fusion*, Parallels Desktop,
    VirtualBox.

    I currently use Parallels Desktop, and have a complete set of macOS
    version VMs dating back to Leopard (Server).

    So I have a somewhat related question. Are there any good options for
    running older OS versions on Apple Silicon? My old iMac recently died
    and I opted for a refurbed intel machine over a new Mac so I could still
    run these VMs.

    Are there any intel emulators for Apple Silicon that can run older mac
    OS versions that are reasonably stable and which allow Apple OSes to be
    set up reasonably easily?

    André

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 18:38:32 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-16 00:44:57 +0000, Andr G. Isaak said:
    On 2023-11-12 23:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-12 22:38:45 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On Nov 12, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Run earlier version of MacOS in a Virtual Machine with Virtualbox or VMware.

    The three main options are: VMWare Fusion*, Parallels Desktop, VirtualBox.

    I currently use Parallels Desktop, and have a complete set of macOS
    version VMs dating back to Leopard (Server).

    So I have a somewhat related question. Are there any good options for
    running older OS versions on Apple Silicon? My old iMac recently died
    and I opted for a refurbed intel machine over a new Mac so I could
    still run these VMs.

    Are there any intel emulators for Apple Silicon that can run older mac
    OS versions that are reasonably stable and which allow Apple OSes to be
    set up reasonably easily?

    André

    QEmu and DOSBox supposedly can, but some people report that they don't
    work or don't work very well. They certainly isn't as easy to set-up as commercial products like Parallels and Fusion (neither of which can run
    Intel versions of MacOS).

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 08:06:24 2023
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-11-15 19:44, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-11-12 23:26, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-12 22:38:45 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On Nov 12, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Hello,

    Is there a way to be able to run old 32-bit apps in updated macOS
    Catalina in an old 2012 13" MBP? Like a hack/workaround or something.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

    Run earlier version of MacOS in a Virtual Machine with Virtualbox or
    VMware.

    The three main options are: VMWare Fusion*, Parallels Desktop,
    VirtualBox.

    I currently use Parallels Desktop, and have a complete set of macOS
    version VMs dating back to Leopard (Server).

    So I have a somewhat related question. Are there any good options for
    running older OS versions on Apple Silicon? My old iMac recently died
    and I opted for a refurbed intel machine over a new Mac so I could still
    run these VMs.

    Are there any intel emulators for Apple Silicon that can run older mac
    OS versions that are reasonably stable and which allow Apple OSes to be
    set up reasonably easily?

    <... thought I posted this yesterday ... >

    Strangely (or properly), while Rosetta can interpret x86 application
    code generally, this seems to exclude the VM hooks that x86 processors
    provide and that apps like Parallels and VMWare Fusion require -
    therefore an "interpreted virtual machine" doesn't look to be
    forthcoming (and my i7 iMac is still sitting on my physical desktop for
    the time being).

    OTOH, the ARM VM hooks are supported, thus one can install parallels or
    Fusion for ARM and install OS' such as ARM Linux and ARM Windows 11 - I
    haven't tried such to date though Linux will inevitably be in the mix.

    There is also a bootable (on Apple Silicon) Asahi Linux that I'm
    interested in vicariously - I'm happy to let others be the trail blazers ...

    All that said, various x86 apps (64b) that I've run under Rosetta seem
    to do well.





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