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    From Wally J@21:1/5 to Jerry Friedman on Fri Jul 28 14:56:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote

    On 7/28/23 5:54 PM, Chris wrote:
    There is 0 chance consumers asked Apple to remove the charger from the box.

    wrong. apple, along with google, samsung and many companies, saw that
    the chargers in the box were not being used

    Saw how, exactly? Did they have monitors in 100m homes checking to see if
    the charger was removed from the box?

    Apple conveniently didn't say that almost NOBODY had the properly sized intelligent PD charger that the expensive phone is capable of using.

    If they're Apple customers, it would be 99.99% of the people because Apple has not supplied that PD charger in _any_ iPhone Apple has ever sold.

    because people already had
    a bunch of them from other devices.

    Almost no-one had spare USB-C chargers given that very few Apple models -
    nor many others - were sold with them at the time.

    It's ridiculous what these low class Apple people put up with from Apple.

    Who would be so low class as to use a 5W brick with a brand new thousand dollar iPhone? Nobody does that. Apple knows that nobody would do that.

    It's like buying a new car and putting your old tires on it from the old
    car (and then swapping the tires back & forth each time you use each car).

    mini USB-A and USB-A yes, loads. USB-C nope.

    Not only USB-C, but Apple has never supplied iPhone customers ever with the high-power PD chargers that the customer's expensive phone is capable of.

    the message from consumers was very
    clear that including yet another was wasteful.

    Why is it then that almost every Android tablet & phone comes with it?

    also, due to the proliferation of devices that charge via usb, many
    people prefer to use chargers with multiple ports, which is much better
    (and more economical) than individual chargers for each device, each
    taking up a mains outlet.

    Better still get USB sockets integrated into the power outlet so no mains
    sockets are used up. Again USB-A was the norm and USB-C was hard to find.
    It's still the exception rather than the rule.
    https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-13a-white-low-profile-usb-switched-socket/p27963

    It's not surprising but these Apple people have never heard of PD/QC standards since all they know about are the old Apple white 5W bricks.

    Zero Apple customers had the right sized PD charger.
    Everyone had to buy it.

    Apple's added eWaste as a result is easily tremendous (when you include the Amazon shipping, the boxing, the deliver green house gas emissions, etc.).

    Oh yes, and all that cardboard that Apple claims to have saved.
    It took ten times more cardboard to have it shipped by Amazon to you.

    Apple removed the charger for one reason and one reason alone. Profits.

    The ewaste as a result is probably ten time more now that Apple removed the charger [as Apple's suggestion to share an old 5W brick is low-class slum].

    Apple is clearly saying they believe their customers live in the projects (where they share an old 5W brick among all the family members' iPhones).

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Fri Jul 28 11:59:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-07-28 11:56, Wally J wrote:
    Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote

    On 7/28/23 5:54 PM, Chris wrote:
    There is 0 chance consumers asked Apple to remove the charger from the box.

    wrong. apple, along with google, samsung and many companies, saw that
    the chargers in the box were not being used

    Saw how, exactly? Did they have monitors in 100m homes checking to see if >>> the charger was removed from the box?

    Apple conveniently didn't say that almost NOBODY had the properly sized
    intelligent PD charger that the expensive phone is capable of using.

    If they're Apple customers, it would be 99.99% of the people because Apple >> has not supplied that PD charger in _any_ iPhone Apple has ever sold.

    because people already had
    a bunch of them from other devices.

    Almost no-one had spare USB-C chargers given that very few Apple models - >>> nor many others - were sold with them at the time.

    It's ridiculous what these low class Apple people put up with from Apple.

    Who would be so low class as to use a 5W brick with a brand new thousand
    dollar iPhone? Nobody does that. Apple knows that nobody would do that.

    It's like buying a new car and putting your old tires on it from the old
    car (and then swapping the tires back & forth each time you use each car). >>
    mini USB-A and USB-A yes, loads. USB-C nope.

    Not only USB-C, but Apple has never supplied iPhone customers ever with the >> high-power PD chargers that the customer's expensive phone is capable of.

    the message from consumers was very
    clear that including yet another was wasteful.

    Why is it then that almost every Android tablet & phone comes with it?

    also, due to the proliferation of devices that charge via usb, many
    people prefer to use chargers with multiple ports, which is much better >>>> (and more economical) than individual chargers for each device, each
    taking up a mains outlet.

    Better still get USB sockets integrated into the power outlet so no mains >>> sockets are used up. Again USB-A was the norm and USB-C was hard to find. >>> It's still the exception rather than the rule.
    https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-13a-white-low-profile-usb-switched-socket/p27963

    It's not surprising but these Apple people have never heard of PD/QC
    standards since all they know about are the old Apple white 5W bricks.

    Zero Apple customers had the right sized PD charger.
    Everyone had to buy it.

    Apple's added eWaste as a result is easily tremendous (when you include the >> Amazon shipping, the boxing, the deliver green house gas emissions, etc.). >>
    Oh yes, and all that cardboard that Apple claims to have saved.
    It took ten times more cardboard to have it shipped by Amazon to you.

    Apple removed the charger for one reason and one reason alone. Profits.

    You mean they couldn't have kept the chargers in the box and just
    charged more?


    The ewaste as a result is probably ten time more now that Apple removed the charger [as Apple's suggestion to share an old 5W brick is low-class slum].

    Apple is clearly saying they believe their customers live in the projects (where they share an old 5W brick among all the family members' iPhones).

    You're a bigot, aren't you, Arlen?

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Wally J on Fri Jul 28 18:33:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2023-07-28 14:56, Wally J wrote:


    Apple removed the charger for one reason and one reason alone.

    Almost right. There are a number of reasons, but the main thrust is
    their commitment to reduce energy and material consumption, and e-waste.
    As this is a commitment they've made to their shareholders, publicly,
    they must do so.


    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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