• SOLVED (stupid solution), was Re: Mail 11.5 (3445.9.7) Smart Mailboxes

    From Dudley Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 19 18:33:49 2022
    On 7/19/22 4:06 PM, Sn!pe wrote:

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

    On 7/19/22 2:16 PM, Sn!pe wrote:

    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

    I set up a few Smart Mailboxes just to try them out ... and was so
    pleased with their quick indexing/filtering/whatever-you-call-it that I >>>>> set up a bunch more.

    I've been enjoying them for quite a while ... until suddenly today
    they're all empty. Not just that nothing shows -- they *say* "(0
    messages)".

    I tried
    Mailbox > Get New Mail
    Mailbox > Synchronize "Gmail" (gmail is IMAP)
    Mailbox > Rebuild

    None of them worked.

    (Actually, there are a *tiny* number of mailboxes which still have
    *some* messages. But even those don't have all the messages they used >>>>> to have.)

    Can you see the missing messages on the Gmail web interface?
    That would prove that they haven't been deleted from the server.

    Oh! I forgot to mention that I can even see them all in All Mail in
    (Mac) Mail! Just can no longer see them in the individual smart
    mailboxes I created to sort them out.

    So, yes, I can see them in the web interface. :^)

    That is a blessing.

    So ... not only are they all in gmail ... they are even all in Mac Mail. >>> But the Smart Mailboxes are no longer working.

    BTW, is "All Mail" a built-in Mac Mail folder, or is it Mac Mail's
    dowloading of gmail's All Mail folder? (In Thunderbird it's the latter. >>> But I don't know whether Mac Mail's relationship to gmail is the same >>> as TB's relationship to gmail.)

    I'm sorry, I don't really have the expertise to advise you further;
    at this stage I'd be looking for advice myself. I might try deleting
    the mail accounts from Mail then recreating them but I'm not confident
    that it would work. I really wouldn't want you to risk losing all your
    past mail. Good luck!

    Afterthought: You could try recreating a smart mailbox.
    AIUI smart mailboxes are just view filters.

    This is embarrassing! Turns out that if I haven't opened Mail for a
    while (and it has literally been weeks), apparently all the Smart
    Mailboxes have to repopulate ... and it takes a long time! A
    rea-ea-ealy, rea-ea-eally, l-o-o-o-o-o-ng time!

    I sent my first message about the problem at 12:39pm PST ... and at some
    time between 3:41pm (when I last looked) and 6:31pm (when I looked just
    now) the Smart Mailboxes repopulated. So it took something between
    three hours and six hours.

    But thanks for your willingness to help.


    --
    Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
    Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
    San Francisco

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Dudley Brooks on Wed Jul 20 15:54:24 2022
    On 2022-07-20 01:33:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
    On 7/19/22 4:06 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
    On 7/19/22 2:16 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

    I set up a few Smart Mailboxes just to try them out ... and was so >>>>>> pleased with their quick indexing/filtering/whatever-you-call-it that I >>>>>> set up a bunch more.

    I've been enjoying them for quite a while ... until suddenly today >>>>>> they're all empty. Not just that nothing shows -- they *say* "(0
    messages)".

    I tried
    Mailbox > Get New Mail
    Mailbox > Synchronize "Gmail" (gmail is IMAP)
    Mailbox > Rebuild

    None of them worked.

    (Actually, there are a *tiny* number of mailboxes which still have >>>>>> *some* messages. But even those don't have all the messages they used >>>>>> to have.)

    Can you see the missing messages on the Gmail web interface?
    That would prove that they haven't been deleted from the server.

    Oh! I forgot to mention that I can even see them all in All Mail in
    (Mac) Mail! Just can no longer see them in the individual smart
    mailboxes I created to sort them out.

    So, yes, I can see them in the web interface. :^)

    That is a blessing.

    So ... not only are they all in gmail ... they are even all in Mac Mail. >>>> But the Smart Mailboxes are no longer working.

    BTW, is "All Mail" a built-in Mac Mail folder, or is it Mac Mail's
    dowloading of gmail's All Mail folder? (In Thunderbird it's the latter. >>>> But I don't know whether Mac Mail's relationship to gmail is the same
    as TB's relationship to gmail.)

    I'm sorry, I don't really have the expertise to advise you further;
    at this stage I'd be looking for advice myself. I might try deleting
    the mail accounts from Mail then recreating them but I'm not confident
    that it would work. I really wouldn't want you to risk losing all your
    past mail. Good luck!

    Afterthought: You could try recreating a smart mailbox.
    AIUI smart mailboxes are just view filters.

    This is embarrassing! Turns out that if I haven't opened Mail for a
    while (and it has literally been weeks), apparently all the Smart
    Mailboxes have to repopulate ... and it takes a long time! A
    rea-ea-ealy, rea-ea-eally, l-o-o-o-o-o-ng time!

    I sent my first message about the problem at 12:39pm PST ... and at
    some time between 3:41pm (when I last looked) and 6:31pm (when I looked
    just now) the Smart Mailboxes repopulated. So it took something
    between three hours and six hours.

    But thanks for your willingness to help.

    Assuming it's an IMAP connection, it could have been redownloading all
    the email headers from Gmail, which will take some time if you are the
    type of person who stores a lot of emails. It then has to re-filter
    them.

    Personally I stay well away from "smart" anything - mailboxes, folders, devices, cars. They're usually incredibly dumb and not worth bothering
    with.

    Mail also does tend to be a bit slow when first opened. When I boot my
    Mac every morning, I go into Mail as one of the first things I do. It
    quickly gets the new emails (via a POP conneciton), but trying to open
    a message to read can be a mission in frustration - it usually takes at
    least two attempts (sometimes many more) to open the message before it
    actually displays any content. After the first message, it works
    properly. It's not even possible to close the non-displaying message
    window using the keyboard shortcut, only the close gadget on the window
    works.

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  • From Dudley Brooks@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jul 21 23:43:36 2022
    On 7/19/22 8:54 PM, Your Name wrote:

    On 2022-07-20 01:33:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:

    On 7/19/22 4:06 PM, Sn!pe wrote:

    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

    On 7/19/22 2:16 PM, Sn!pe wrote:

    Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

    I set up a few Smart Mailboxes just to try them out ... and was so >>>>>>> pleased with their quick indexing/filtering/whatever-you-call-it >>>>>>> that I set up a bunch more.

    I've been enjoying them for quite a while ... until suddenly today >>>>>>> they're all empty.  Not just that nothing shows -- they *say* "(0 >>>>>>> messages)".

    I tried
    Mailbox > Get New Mail
    Mailbox > Synchronize "Gmail" (gmail is IMAP)
    Mailbox > Rebuild

    None of them worked.

    (Actually, there are a *tiny* number of mailboxes which still have >>>>>>> *some* messages.  But even those don't have all the messages they >>>>>>> used
    to have.)

    Can you see the missing messages on the Gmail web interface?
    That would prove that they haven't been deleted from the server.

    Oh!  I forgot to mention that I can even see them all in All Mail in >>>>> (Mac) Mail!  Just can no longer see them in the individual smart
    mailboxes I created to sort them out.

    So, yes, I can see them in the web interface.  :^)

    That is a blessing.

    So ... not only are they all in gmail ... they are even all in Mac
    Mail.
    But the Smart Mailboxes are no longer working.

    BTW, is "All Mail" a built-in Mac Mail folder, or is it Mac Mail's
    dowloading of gmail's All Mail folder?  (In Thunderbird it's the
    latter.
    But I don't know whether Mac Mail's relationship to gmail is the same >>>>> as TB's relationship to gmail.)

    I'm sorry, I don't really have the expertise to advise you further;
    at this stage I'd be looking for advice myself.  I might try deleting >>>> the mail accounts from Mail then recreating them but I'm not confident >>>> that it would work.  I really wouldn't want you to risk losing all your >>>> past mail.  Good luck!

    Afterthought:  You could try recreating a smart mailbox.
    AIUI smart mailboxes are just view filters.

    This is embarrassing!  Turns out that if I haven't opened Mail for a
    while (and it has literally been weeks), apparently all the Smart
    Mailboxes have to repopulate ... and it takes a long time!  A
    rea-ea-ealy, rea-ea-eally, l-o-o-o-o-o-ng time!

    I sent my first message about the problem at 12:39pm PST ... and at
    some time between 3:41pm (when I last looked) and 6:31pm (when I
    looked just now) the Smart Mailboxes repopulated.  So it took
    something between three hours and six hours.

    But thanks for your willingness to help.

    Assuming it's an IMAP connection, it could have been redownloading all
    the email headers from Gmail, which will take some time if you are the
    type of person who stores a lot of emails. It then has to re-filter them.

    Personally I stay well away from "smart" anything - mailboxes, folders, devices, cars. They're usually incredibly dumb and not worth bothering
    with.

    Mail also does tend to be a bit slow when first opened. When I boot my
    Mac every morning, I go into Mail as one of the first things I do. It quickly gets the new emails (via a POP conneciton), but trying to open a message to read can be a mission in frustration - it usually takes at
    least two attempts (sometimes many more) to open the message before it actually displays any content. After the first message, it works
    properly. It's not even possible to close the non-displaying message
    window using the keyboard shortcut, only the close gadget on the window works.

    Thanks for all the info and advice. Much appreciated.

    --
    Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
    Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
    San Francisco

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