I'm still running Mojave. I haven't updated because I have an important
app that hasn't been converted yet. However, that is coming and it got
me thinking. With all the changes Apple is making, not only with the OS
but also the M1 chip, are they still supporting Unix tools? I have an
awful lot of personal software that relies on these.
Many years ago AT&T had a Unix for Windows tool set that I used but it
was never as clean as I would have liked and I didn't really like
Windows. The main reason I switched to NeXT and then to Apple years ago was,for the GUI and the Unix Tools. Now I really like Apple products
but the tools are critical.
are [Apple] still supporting Unix tools?
I'm still running Mojave. I haven't updated because I have an important
app that hasn't been converted yet. However, that is coming and it got
me thinking. With all the changes Apple is making, not only with the OS
but also the M1 chip, are they still supporting Unix tools? I have an
awful lot of personal software that relies on these.
Many years ago AT&T had a Unix for Windows tool set that I used but it
was never as clean as I would have liked and I didn't really like
Windows. The main reason I switched to NeXT and then to Apple years ago was,for the GUI and the Unix Tools. Now I really like Apple products
but the tools are critical.
On 3/14/21 5:37 AM, Lewis wrote:
In message <s2jft8$1ugo$1@gioia.aioe.org> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:will install the Xcode command-line tools (you do NOT need to install
the 12GB Xcode IDE) and then compile and install pretty much any UNIX
tools you want.
All the tools I need came compiled up until now. Has that changed?
In message <s2jft8$1ugo$1@gioia.aioe.org> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:will install the Xcode command-line tools (you do NOT need to install
the 12GB Xcode IDE) and then compile and install pretty much any UNIX
tools you want.
On 2021-03-15, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
On 3/14/21 5:37 AM, Lewis wrote:
In message <s2jft8$1ugo$1@gioia.aioe.org> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:will install the Xcode command-line tools (you do NOT need to install
the 12GB Xcode IDE) and then compile and install pretty much any UNIX
tools you want.
All the tools I need came compiled up until now. Has that changed?
How can anyone know if you don't list at least some of them.
Like I said, macOS is still Unix. That means a shit ton of tools are
there.
On 2021-03-15, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2021-03-15, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
On 3/14/21 5:37 AM, Lewis wrote:
In message <s2jft8$1ugo$1@gioia.aioe.org> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:will install the Xcode command-line tools (you do NOT need to install
the 12GB Xcode IDE) and then compile and install pretty much any UNIX
tools you want.
All the tools I need came compiled up until now. Has that changed?
How can anyone know if you don't list at least some of them.
Like I said, macOS is still Unix. That means a shit ton of tools are
there.
but still missing "sar" and/or "sysstat"
.... or is there someone who
knows how to get it compiled and working (under Big Sur)?
In message <60545fda$0$674$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Niels S. Eliasen <nse@eliasen.co> wrote:
.... or is there someone who knows how to get it compiled and working
(under Big Sur)?
Since I do not know what those tools ARE (I suspect linux-ism and
macOS is not Linux and I do not run Linux as a general rule) it would
be hard to guess.
Perhaps if you know what the tool does then you can find a *BSD based
tool that does, largely, the same thing?
On 2021-03-13, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
I'm still running Mojave. I haven't updated because I have an important app that hasn't been converted yet. However, that is coming and it got
me thinking. With all the changes Apple is making, not only with the OS but also the M1 chip, are they still supporting Unix tools? I have an awful lot of personal software that relies on these.
Many years ago AT&T had a Unix for Windows tool set that I used but it
was never as clean as I would have liked and I didn't really like
Windows. The main reason I switched to NeXT and then to Apple years ago was,for the GUI and the Unix Tools. Now I really like Apple products
but the tools are critical.
macOS is still Unix. : )
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2021-03-13, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
I'm still running Mojave. I haven't updated because I have an
important app that hasn't been converted yet. However, that is
coming and it got me thinking. With all the changes Apple is
making, not only with the OS but also the M1 chip, are they still
supporting Unix tools? I have an awful lot of personal software
that relies on these.
Many years ago AT&T had a Unix for Windows tool set that I used but
it was never as clean as I would have liked and I didn't really
like Windows. The main reason I switched to NeXT and then to Apple
years ago was,for the GUI and the Unix Tools. Now I really like
Apple products but the tools are critical.
macOS is still Unix. : )
BSD to be exact. ;)
How can anyone know if you don't list at least some of them.
Like I said, macOS is still Unix. That means a shit ton of tools are
there.
On 3/15/21 6:13 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
How can anyone know if you don't list at least some of them.I thought I followed up on this but it seems I didn't.
Like I said, macOS is still Unix. That means a shit ton of tools are
there.
I use just about all the tools in the bin directory under Mojave and a
few from sbin. If I have to compile them, so be it. I would just like
to know because if I do, none of my ksh scripts will work out of the box.
I'm still running Mojave. I haven't updated because I have an important
app that hasn't been converted yet. However, that is coming and it got
me thinking. With all the changes Apple is making, not only with the OS
but also the M1 chip, are they still supporting Unix tools? I have an
awful lot of personal software that relies on these.
Many years ago AT&T had a Unix for Windows tool set that I used but it
was never as clean as I would have liked and I didn't really like
Windows. The main reason I switched to NeXT and then to Apple years ago was,for the GUI and the Unix Tools. Now I really like Apple products
but the tools are critical.
On 2021-03-15, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2021-03-15, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
On 3/14/21 5:37 AM, Lewis wrote:
In message <s2jft8$1ugo$1@gioia.aioe.org> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:will install the Xcode command-line tools (you do NOT need to install
the 12GB Xcode IDE) and then compile and install pretty much any UNIX
tools you want.
All the tools I need came compiled up until now. Has that changed?
How can anyone know if you don't list at least some of them.
Like I said, macOS is still Unix. That means a shit ton of tools are
there.
but still missing "sar" and/or "sysstat" .... or is there someone who
knows how to get it compiled and working (under Big Sur)?
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