• Re: Is anyone noticing iOS v15.0's storage not showing all installed ap

    From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Oct 2 01:54:48 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    But a major version release (X.0.0) will usually be particularly buggy.

    not necessarily

    It's a fact Apple OS releases are more buggy than other operating systems.

    *That's because entire swaths of Apple OS code have _never_ been tested.*
    "'The root causes of Apple security holes that Project Zero highlight
    are not difficult to find and yet they are often overlooked by Apple
    quality control teams: In fact, Google's Project Zero has seen too
    many cases of Apple code which seems to have never worked, and Apple
    code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing or review
    before being shipped to users as an official macOS or iOS release'"

    Apple has more zero day vulnerabilities than _any_ other Operating System.
    --
    *Apple angry at Google for bursting iPhone security myth bubble* <https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>

    *iPhone: Many zero-day vulnerabilities are found which spy on your activity* <https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/06/iphone-a-zero-day-vulnerability-allows-spying-on-your-personal-data/>

    *Google discovered a further five major vulnerabilities in Apple code* <https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/30/20746827/apple-ios-security-flaw-imessage-google-project-zero>

    *Six serious 'zero interaction' vulnerabilities found in iOS* <https://9to5mac.com/guides/security/>

    *Most Apple zero day vulnerabilities are untested zero click holes* <https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/30/google-project-zero-ios-interactionless-vulnerabilities-apple/>

    *Google finds more Apple watch app zero-day vulnerabilities* <https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/11/apple-walkie-talkie-feature-disabled-vulnerability/>

    *Google reveals fistful of flaws in Apple's iMessage app* <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49165946>

    o *Anyone can hack into MacOS High Sierra simply by typing "root"* <https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root/>

    *Making sense of the many ongoing repetitive Apple security flaws* <https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>

    *Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones* <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>

    *Apple needs to stop promising new products and start delivering them* <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WYjTtnTs-XQ/YyhGkrNXAAAJ>

    *Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for alliOS & macOS users* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>

    *An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software* <https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>

    *New Mac Malware steals iPhone text messages from iTunes backups* <https://www.hackread.com/mac-malware-steals-iphone-text-messages-from-itunes-backups/>

    *Easter Attack Affects Half a Billion Apple iOS Users via Chrome Bug* <https://threatpost.com/easter-attack-apple-ios/143901/>

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Sat Oct 2 15:41:44 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-10-02, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    But a major version release (X.0.0) will usually be particularly
    buggy.

    not necessarily

    It's a fact Apple OS releases are more buggy than other operating
    systems.

    That's not a fact, Arlen. You constantly assert that opinions are facts,
    and in doing so show your true colors, trollboi.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Sun Oct 3 13:53:01 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

    It's a fact Apple OS releases are more buggy than other operating systems.

    Let’s try again. Seeing as you can always back up your facts and tell no lies, please provide the numbers. For all major OSes provide the number of
    bugs there have been, broken down by release, and highlight how many more
    bugs there were in iOS and/macOS than the others.

    Any diversionary attacks or name calling will be a clear indication that
    you don’t have the numbers and your assertion is nothing more than an opinion.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Oct 4 23:42:23 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Often that's the case, but not always. The number of major defects in
    major releases varies. That's just the nature of the beast.

    You do realize, Jolly Roger, that it was proven that huge portions
    of iOS code have _never_ been tested by Apple QA, don't you?

    Oh. You don't.
    Hmmmmm....(you're _that_ ignorant, Jolly Roger?)

    Do you at least realize *nobody has more security holes than Apple* does?
    --
    *iOS 13 Bugs Cause Apple to Overhaul Software Testing*
    <https://tidbits.com/2019/11/25/ios-13-bugs-cause-apple-to-overhaul-software-testing/>

    *Apple updates iOS 13 yet again, hopefully squashing the remaining bugs*
    <https://me.mashable.com/tech/7267/apple-updates-ios-13-yet-again-hopefully-squashing-the-remaining-bugs>

    *iOS 13 woes have forced Apple to rethink how it tests iPhone updates*
    <https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/21/20975651/apple-ios-14-testing-update-features-changes-rumors>

    *iOS 14: Apple Changing How It Develops Its Software After Buggy iOS 13 Debut*
    <https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/ios-14-development-overhaul-13-bugs-apple-process-2136708>

    *iOS 13.4 is loaded with bugs - why you should wait to upgrade*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ios-134-is-loaded-with-bugs-why-you-should-wait-to-upgrade>

    *Apple iOS 13 Is Full Of Bugs*
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/09/19/apple-ios13-upgrade-problems-iphone-11-pro-max-xs-max-xr-update/>

    *Apple's big new iPhone iOS 13 update is filled with bugs*
    <https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-13-update-release-with-bugs-019-9>

    *Why iOS 13 is buggy - and how to fix it*
    <https://www.imore.com/why-ios-13-buggy-and-how-fix-it-ios-14>

    *iOS 13 is Apple's buggiest release yet*
    <https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apples-buggiest-ios-release-yet-introduces-more-bugs-in-ios-13-2-users-report-that-multitasking-is-now-dead-7608061.html>

    *iOS 13 marks the record for the number of bugs*
    <https://geektech.me/ios-13-marks-the-record-for-the-number-of-bugs-but-apple-has-already-fixed-the-bugs/>

    *iOS 13.5 issues wreaking havoc on iPhones and iPads*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ios-135-issues-wreaking-havoc-on-iphones-and-ipads>

    *Apple issues third iOS 13 update in just two weeks as more bugs strike*
    <https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/ios-13-1-2-bug-fixes-improvements-3942784>

    *Apple reportedly focusing on its buggy iOS problems again with iOS 14*
    <https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/21/20975651/apple-ios-14-testing-update-features-changes-rumors>

    *Apple angry at Google for bursting iPhone security myth bubble*
    <https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>

    *Apple angry at Google for bursting iPhone security myth bubble*
    <https://cnnews9.com/2019/09/08/apple-angry-at-google-for-bursting-iphone-security-myth-bubble-mspoweruser/>

    *iPhone: Many zero-day vulnerabilities are found which spy on your activity*
    <https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/06/iphone-a-zero-day-vulnerability-allows-spying-on-your-personal-data/>

    *Google discovered a further five major vulnerabilities in Apple code*
    <https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/30/20746827/apple-ios-security-flaw-imessage-google-project-zero>

    *Six serious 'zero interaction' vulnerabilities found in iOS*
    <https://9to5mac.com/guides/security/>

    *Google researchers discovered serious iOS security flaws*
    <https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/30/google-project-zero-ios-interactionless-vulnerabilities-apple/>

    *Google finds more Apple watch app zero-day vulnerabilities* <https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/11/apple-walkie-talkie-feature-disabled-vulnerability/>

    *Google reveals fistful of flaws in Apple's iMessage app*
    <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49165946>

    *Anyone can hack into MacOS High Sierra simply by typing "root"* <https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root/>

    *Making sense of the many ongoing repetitive Apple security flaws*
    <https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>

    *Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones* <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>

    *Apple needs to stop promising new products and start delivering them*
    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WYjTtnTs-XQ/YyhGkrNXAAAJ>

    *Apple just now BLOCKED Live Photos in FaceTime for alliOS & macOS users* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fQ3Kb96gedA>

    *An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software*
    <https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>

    *New Mac Malware steals iPhone text messages from iTunes backups*
    <https://www.hackread.com/mac-malware-steals-iphone-text-messages-from-itunes-backups/>

    *Easter Attack Affects Half a Billion Apple iOS Users via Chrome Bug*
    <https://threatpost.com/easter-attack-apple-ios/143901/>

    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    *Google Says Malicious Websites Have Been Quietly Hacking iPhones for Years
    <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwne5/malicious-websites-hacked-iphones-for-years>

    *Massive iPhone Hack Uncovered by Google: What You Need to Know*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/thousands-of-iphones-secretly-hacked-for-years-google-reveals>

    *These malicious website exploits targeted iPhone users for years* <https://macdailynews.com/2019/08/30/these-malicious-website-exploits-targeted-iphone-users-for-years/>

    *Google reported many exploits which Apple was too slow to fix*
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Zero>

    *Malicious Websites Have Been Quietly Hacking iPhones for Years*
    <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwne5/malicious-websites-hacked-iphones-for-years>

    *Apple's release notes hide the immensity of Apple's huge lack of QA*
    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>

    *Apple quality control problem stems from lack of resources on testing*
    <https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-features/>

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Tue Oct 5 16:20:29 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-10-04, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Often that's the case, but not always. The number of major defects in
    major releases varies. That's just the nature of the beast.

    You do realize, Jolly Roger, that it was proven that huge portions of
    iOS code have _never_ been tested by Apple QA, don't you?

    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't constitute
    proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll. You continue to
    prove you know nothing about software development, dip shit.

    Hmmmmm....(you're _that_ ignorant, Jolly Roger?)

    Projection, as always. Stay stupid, Arlen.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Oct 5 22:36:11 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
    Coulda, shoulda, woulda aren't facts. They're suppositions. They don't know anymore than you do.

    Chris,

    Read this _before_ you claim all facts about Apple you hate aren't facts.
    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild* <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    You apologists are almost exactly like Trumpists in your denial of facts everyone else knows (hell, *even Apple didn't dispute what Google said*, Chris).

    Given you dispute what even Apple couldn't dispute, that tells us all that
    the chance of an adult conversation with apologists is literally zero.

    If Apple didn't dispute that Google proved beyond any doubt whatsoever that huge swaths of critical iOS code had _never_ and could never (not even
    once!) have _ever_ been tested, on what grounds can you deny that fact?
    --
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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Oct 5 22:26:00 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't constitute
    proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll. You continue to
    prove you know nothing about software development, dip shit.

    You apologists are no different from Trumpists in almost every way possible.

    That you saw the proof many times, and that you ignored that proof even more times, is what proves you're always going to be ignorant Jolly Roger (much
    like Trumpists are) of everything you don't like about Apple products.

    I gave you, many times, in this thread alone, and in many others, the link where Google explicitly explained in gory deep detail that Apple's iOS code could _never_ (ever!) possibly have been tested - & yet - you're still
    ignorant of that.

    FACT:
    *Apple has _never_ even once tested huge portions of critical iOS code!*

    This same fact was proven with Apple's iTunes implementation on Windows
    (i.e., huge portions of Apple's shipped code have _never_ once been tested!)

    Here's the link again, but you're ignorant so I'm wasting my energy on you.

    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild* <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
    --
    Apologists are no different from Trumpists in almost every way possible.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Tue Oct 5 23:13:24 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-10-05, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked

    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't
    constitute proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll. You
    continue to prove you know nothing about software development, dip
    shit.

    I gave you, many times, in this thread alone, and in many others, the
    link

    Arlen, clueless troll that he is, can only post links to webpages with no actual evidence of his lame assertion that Apple's code "has never been tested", as usual. All he has are baseless assertions and misguided
    opinions. He's a pathetic troll.

    Here's the link again

    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't constitute
    proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll.

    but you're ignorant

    Insults are the last refuge of the weak minded when they feel powerless.
    Stay stupid, Arlen.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Wed Oct 6 08:18:01 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
    Coulda, shoulda, woulda aren't facts. They're suppositions. They don't know >> anymore than you do.

    Chris,

    Read this _before_ you claim all facts about Apple you hate aren't facts.

    I *love* facts. Problem is you don't know what a fact is. What you are
    spewing aren't facts. Not even close.

    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild* <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    I have. Now point me to the exact place where they state that Apple does no testing and that vast parts of iOS have never been tested.

    You apologists are almost exactly like Trumpists in your denial of facts everyone else knows (hell, *even Apple didn't dispute what Google said*, Chris).

    Given you dispute what even Apple couldn't dispute, that tells us all that the chance of an adult conversation with apologists is literally zero.

    Not responding to a claim is not the same as agreeing with it. Apple very rarely respond to any claims so keeping quiet on this is nothing special.

    FTR I agree that Apple has zero-day vulnerabilities some of which have been exploited for a long time. Apple probably should have done better. You can
    be sure that they will be.

    Does all this damn Apple as being the worst tech company in the world? No.
    By a mile.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Oct 6 09:40:54 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't constitute
    proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll.

    It's amazing how fantastically _ignorant_ Jolly Roger easily proves to be. What's shocking is how similar these apologists are to Trumpists.

    Jolly Roger just read an article by security researchers which explicitly
    said the iOS code (for years!) couldn't possibly ever have been tested.

    And yet, all Jolly Roger sees is a "link" to a "website" that doesn't "constitute proof" which is Jolly Roger's way of denying all facts about
    Apple that he simply doesn't like.

    I've never met people as incredibly ignorant as these apologists are.

    They get _nothing_ out of this rather easy to read article. <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
    "*The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.*
    *We'll see cases of Apple code which seems to have never worked*,
    *Apple code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
    *or no code review before the release was shipped to users by Apple*."

    This was for _many_ iOS releases... that Apple didn't test even once.
    The fact Apple doesn't sufficiently test iOS releases is clear to adults.

    All iPhones are compromised the instant Apple installs an iOS release.
    The proof is _overwhelming_ Apple doesn't even _test_ much of iOS code!

    The proof is not only from Project Zero - it's everywhere.
    *Even Apple can't refute the fact they never tested their iOS code.*

    Here's just a few verbatim quotes from security researchers at Project Zero.
    "The more important takeaway, however, is what the vulnerability was.
    In 2014, Apple added an unfinished implementation of a new feature named
    "vouchers" and part of this new code was a new syscall (technically, a
    task port MIG method) which, from what I can tell, never worked. To be
    clear, if there had been a test which called the syscall with the
    expected arguments, it would have caused a kernel panic. If any Apple
    developer had attempted to use this feature during those four years,
    their phone would have immediately crashed."

    "It's difficult to understand how this error could be introduced into a
    core IPC library that shipped to end users. While errors are common in
    software development, a serious one like this should have quickly been
    found by a unit test, code review or even fuzzing. It's especially
    unfortunate as this location would naturally be one of the first ones
    an attacker would look, as I detail below."

    "It's the kernel bug used here which is, unfortunately, easy to find and
    exploit (if you don't believe me, feel free to seek a second opinion!).
    An IOKit device driver with an external method which in the very first
    statement performs an unbounded memmove with a length argument directly
    controlled by the attacker"

    The amazing thing is I've never met people as ignorant as these apologists, who, given a spoon fed easy article to read, even then they can't see _any_ facts in that article if those facts tell the truth about Apple products.
    --
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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Oct 6 09:27:24 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild*
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    I have. Now point me to the exact place where they state that Apple does no testing and that vast parts of iOS have never been tested.

    Jesus Christ Chris,

    You are so ignorant you _missed_ the openeing sentences for God's sake!
    "The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
    *We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
    *iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
    *or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*."

    This was for _many_ iOS releases, Chris... that Apple didn't test even once. The fact Apple doesn't sufficiently test iOS releases is clear, Chris.

    All iPhones are compromised the instant Apple installs an iOS release.
    The proof is _overwhelming_ Apple doesn't even _test_ much of iOS code!

    You're dense. You're shockingly dense. I've never met people like you are. You're like Trumpists. You can't see what everyone else _easily_ sees.

    The proof is not only from Project Zero - it's everywhere.
    *Even Apple didn't refute the fact they never tested their iOS code.*

    What's shocking is that an intelligent _adult_ conversation is impossible
    with all you apologists... I don't even know how you function in society.

    *None of you apologists own even the most basic of adult cognitive skills*.

    Here's just a few verbatim quotes from the very article you supposedly read:
    "The more important takeaway, however, is what the vulnerability was.
    In 2014, Apple added an unfinished implementation of a new feature named
    "vouchers" and part of this new code was a new syscall (technically, a
    task port MIG method) which, from what I can tell, never worked. To be
    clear, if there had been a test which called the syscall with the
    expected arguments, it would have caused a kernel panic. If any Apple
    developer had attempted to use this feature during those four years,
    their phone would have immediately crashed."

    Besides the fact Google clearly said the code couldn't possibly ever have
    been tested many times, there were plenty of indicators iOS is never tested.

    These are all complete, verbatim quotes from what you supposedly read,
    Chris. (Again, it's shocking how fantastically _stupid_ you appear to be).

    "It's difficult to understand how this error could be introduced into a
    core IPC library that shipped to end users. While errors are common in
    software development, a serious one like this should have quickly been
    found by a unit test, code review or even fuzzing. It's especially
    unfortunate as this location would naturally be one of the first ones
    an attacker would look, as I detail below."

    Here's another:
    "It's the kernel bug used here which is, unfortunately, easy to find and
    exploit (if you don't believe me, feel free to seek a second opinion!).
    An IOKit device driver with an external method which in the very first
    statement performs an unbounded memmove with a length argument directly
    controlled by the attacker"

    The amazing thing is I've never met people as ignorant as you apologists,
    who, given a spoon fed easy article to read, you can't see _any_ facts in
    that article if those facts tell the truth about Apple products.
    --
    You're like Trumpists - all of you apologists own imaginary belief systems.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Wed Oct 6 11:40:28 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-10-06, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Robin (Arlen) previously exclaimed:

    huge portions of iOS code have _never_ been tested by Apple QA

    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't
    constitute proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll.

    *Apple code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing* *or
    no code review before the release was shipped to users by Apple*."

    Adults reading this can see that "likely skipped QA" and "likely skipped testing" are both *non-factual* statements as well as being a *far* cry
    from Arlen's asinine claim that "huge portions of iOS code have _never_
    been tested by Apple QA". You lose, again, Arlen. Pitiful troll.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Thu Oct 7 11:00:44 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
    *A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild*
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

    I have. Now point me to the exact place where they state that Apple does no >> testing and that vast parts of iOS have never been tested.

    Jesus Christ Chris,

    You are so ignorant you _missed_ the openeing sentences for God's sake!
    "The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
    *We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
    *iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
    *or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*."

    Well done!! I think that's the first time I've seen you actually be able to support your claim.

    You need work in your hyperbole, though. That isn't saying that huge
    swathes of iOS are untested and that iOS is the least tested OS in history
    or whatever it is you claim on a regular basis.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Oct 9 15:37:19 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2021-10-06, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
    Robin (Arlen) previously exclaimed:

    huge portions of iOS code have _never_ been tested by Apple QA

    Links to websites complaining about this or that bug doesn't
    constitute proof that code has never been tested, doofus troll.

    *Apple code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing* *or
    no code review before the release was shipped to users by Apple*."

    Adults reading this can see that "likely skipped QA" and "likely skipped testing" are both *non-factual* statements as well as being a *far* cry
    from Arlen's asinine claim that "huge portions of iOS code have _never_
    been tested by Apple QA". You lose, again, Arlen. Pitiful troll.

    But persistent.

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