So, when's iOS 16?
september 2022
Meanwhile, Google is pushing security updates to _all_ the billions of Android 6 & up phones in the world (it doesn't matter the carrier or OEM.
Meanwhile, Google is pushing security updates to _all_ the billions of
Android 6 & up phones in the world (it doesn't matter the carrier or OEM.
android 6 was released in october 2015.
ios 15 supports iphones as far back as the iphone 6s, which was
released in september 2015, one month earlier, and it is pushed to
*every* eligible device, regardless of carrier.
And is v15 buggy? ;)
no.
Yes. Like all software. Always.
no worse than anything else.
The only update method you apologists know is the _primitive_ iOS update method which no modern operating system would stoop so low as to use.Autoupdate is NOT a good thing. There seem always to bugs in the
Google can autoupdate _any_ Android phone with Google Play Services on it. That means Google can autoupdate all the way back to Android 4.4, nospam.
The only update method you apologists know is the _primitive_ iOS updateAutoupdate is NOT a good thing. There seem always to bugs in the
method which no modern operating system would stoop so low as to use.
Google can autoupdate _any_ Android phone with Google Play Services on it. >> That means Google can autoupdate all the way back to Android 4.4, nospam.
initial release of any update. Further, I am still running 10.14 on my
Mac mini because I need a 32-bit program that is still in the process of being updated.
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> asked
The only update method you apologists know is the _primitive_ iOS update >>>> method which no modern operating system would stoop so low as to use.initial release of any update. Further, I am still running 10.14 on my
Google can autoupdate _any_ Android phone with Google Play Services on it. >>>> That means Google can autoupdate all the way back to Android 4.4, nospam. >>> Autoupdate is NOT a good thing. There seem always to bugs in the
Mac mini because I need a 32-bit program that is still in the process of >>> being updated.
I'm not disagreeing with you that major OS releases can and will have bugs.
Which is a clear contradiction to what you've previously stated.
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not?
However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> asked
The only update method you apologists know is the _primitive_ iOS update >>> method which no modern operating system would stoop so low as to use.initial release of any update. Further, I am still running 10.14 on my
Google can autoupdate _any_ Android phone with Google Play Services on it. >>> That means Google can autoupdate all the way back to Android 4.4, nospam. >> Autoupdate is NOT a good thing. There seem always to bugs in the
Mac mini because I need a 32-bit program that is still in the process of
being updated.
I'm not disagreeing with you that major OS releases can and will have bugs.
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not?
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not?
However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
It's bullshit. Anyone who works professionally in software development
will tell you that patch frequency is not a gauge for quality - what
matters most is how well defects are prioritized, and how quickly and effectively critical defects are fixed.
I'm not disagreeing with you that major OS releases can and will have bugs.
Which is a clear contradiction to what you've previously stated.
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not?
However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
I'm not disagreeing with you that major OS releases can and will have bugs. >>Which is a clear contradiction to what you've previously stated.
If it isn't on an Apple advertisement... you've never heard of it.
The fact is:
To update iOS is to use a child's-toy operating system method of update.
I've never said that major OS release don't have bugs, Chris.
The fact you fabricated it means you form opinions based on zero (0) facts.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> askedthat describes every software company.
"Apple also has a massive backlog of bugs that it >>> hasnÄ…t fixed,
according to the former employee >>> and a current employee, who also
spoke on the >>> condition of anonymity because of an NDA."
No nospam.
I get it that you blame every software company for > Apple's flaws.
Even though Android updates far more intelligently than the laughingly outdated iOS update method, even those modern Android updates have bugs.
And even though Windows updates in a far more modern way than does the shockingly primitive iOS update mechanism, Windows too has buggy updates.
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
True. But mine isn't always updated on the exact day (particularly since
mine is off so it's asynchronous - but the point was
that Microsoft uses a
modern automatic update mechanism that puts the ridiculously sophomoric iOS update mechanism to shame.
To update iOS is to use a child's-toy operating system method of update.
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not? >>However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control >> according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
I don't think you understand Chris that it's Apple who has more zero-day
bugs than any other operating system
simply because Apple is a MARKETING
company (they're not an R&D powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination).
What Apple does is advertise by painting sides of buildings, but that's just bullshit when you look at the laughable iOS update mechanism, Chris.
It would be hilarious, in fact, if it wasn't so sad that iOS must update the entire operating system for each release (and yes, I know each device gets its own delta but that doesn't change that the iOS mechanism is monolithic).
In article <sio7cf$ioe$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week?
Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
along with numerous minor updates. it's very annoying.
Certainly Google autoupdates billions of Androids every week, does it not? >>However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control >> according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
because he's a troll.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
It's bullshit. Anyone who works professionally in software development
will tell you that patch frequency is not a gauge for quality - what
matters most is how well defects are prioritized, and how quickly and
effectively critical defects are fixed.
*Nobody has more zero day bugs than does Apple.*
Nobody.
There are so many Apple zero-day bugs that hackers stopped accepting them.
I find it always revealing that apologists like Jolly Roger so easily change their stripes perpendicular to their previous arguments.
Many times I've said that the apologists argument that "iOS updates frequently" is the same as saying iOS is a diarrhea of crappy software.
Now, when it suits Jolly Roger, he agrees with me that the frequency of forced updates that iOS users are forced to endure is indicative of shitty Quality Control.
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> corrected Arlen's bullshit:
It's bullshit. Anyone who works professionally in software
development will tell you that patch frequency is not a gauge for
quality - what matters most is how well defects are prioritized, and
how quickly and effectively critical defects are fixed.
*Nobody has more zero day bugs than does Apple.* Nobody.
You can prove that, of course.
In article <sio7cf$ioe$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
But doesn't M$ successfully autoupdate billions of Win10 PCs every week? >>Nope. Patch Tuesday is once a month sometimes twice.
along with numerous minor updates. it's very annoying.
I applied at Apple, with strong credentials, and couldn't even get an interview. That suggested to me that software quality wasn't a
priority
I applied at Apple, with strong credentials, and couldn't even get an interview. That suggested to me that software quality wasn't a priority with them.
I have several Apple devices, but I do have some concerns about there testing protocols. Years ago, the software company I was working Software Quality Assurance at downsized, and all of SQA was laid off -- hooray beancounters.
I applied at Apple, with strong credentials, and couldn't even get an interview. That suggested to me that software quality wasn't a priority with them. I've loaded some software that obviously had never even been tried on my
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted the Microsoft model - charge people to be beta testers.
I have several Apple devices, but I do have some concerns about there
testing
protocols. Years ago, the software company I was working Software Quality Assurance at downsized, and all of SQA was laid off -- hooray
beancounters.
I applied at Apple, with strong credentials, and couldn't even get an interview. That suggested to me that software quality wasn't a priority
with
them. I've loaded some software that obviously had never even been tried
on my
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted the Microsoft
model -
charge people to be beta testers.
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted the Microsoft
model -
charge people to be beta testers.
They don’t charge anyone and neither did MS with Win10 and 11.
A matter of opinion.
They charge you for a poorly tested product so that you
can use it and find the bugs they didn't. That's pretty much a beta test that
you pay to get.
Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote
[...]
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted the Microsoft
model -
charge people to be beta testers.
They don’t charge anyone and neither did MS with Win10 and 11.
If it isn't on an Apple advertisement... you've never heard of it.
You seem to be unaware that in the UK we're not bombarded with adverts like you in the US. Apple ads are not very common, some for google and
microsoft. Samsung are much more active.
The fact is:
To update iOS is to use a child's-toy operating system method of update.
I've never said that major OS release don't have bugs, Chris.
The fact you fabricated it means you form opinions based on zero (0) facts.
Quote: Message-Id: <shqvrr$1j81$1@gioia.aioe.org>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> askedthat describes every software company.
"Apple also has a massive backlog of bugs that it >>> hasnÄ…t fixed,
according to the former employee >>> and a current employee, who also
spoke on the >>> condition of anonymity because of an NDA."
No nospam.
I get it that you blame every software company for > Apple's flaws.
Enjoy wriggling.
Even though Android updates far more intelligently than the laughingly
outdated iOS update method, even those modern Android updates have bugs.
I'm glad you're finally acknowledging that.
"Apple also has a massive backlog of bugs that it hasn�t fixed,
according to the former employee and a current employee, who also spoke
on the condition of anonymity because of an NDA."
that describes every software company.
And even though Windows updates in a far more modern way than does the
shockingly primitive iOS update mechanism, Windows too has buggy updates.
I'm glad you're finally acknowledging that.
I don't think you understand Chris that it's Apple who has more zero-day
bugs than any other operating system
You're going to have to back that up with some genuine data.
False. How can it be monolithic AND provide different deltas to different devices?
You can prove that, of course.
Now, when it suits Jolly Roger, he agrees with me that the frequency of
forced updates that iOS users are forced to endure is indicative of shitty >> Quality Control.
Doubtful as that's a ridiculous position to hold.
You can prove that, of course.
He can't and won't.
He'll lie some more and make more baseless claims
However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control >> according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
because he's a troll.
However, regular security updates are a failure of software quality control >>> according to you. Why is it OK for microsoft and google, but not Apple??
because he's a troll.
An adult troll :D
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted
the Microsoft model - charge people to be beta testers.
They don’t charge anyone and neither did MS with Win10 and 11.
A matter of opinion.
They charge you for a poorly tested product
so that you can use it and find the bugs they didn't.
That's pretty much a beta test that you pay to get.
In article <irck5vFg0tpU1@mid.individual.net>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote
[...]
platform, let alone tested. They seem to have adopted the Microsoft
model -
charge people to be beta testers.
They donÂ’t charge anyone and neither did MS with Win10 and 11.
A matter of opinion.
They charge you for a poorly tested product
That's pretty much a beta test that you pay to get.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
If it isn't on an Apple advertisement... you've never heard of it.
You seem to be unaware that in the UK we're not bombarded with adverts like >> you in the US. Apple ads are not very common, some for google and
microsoft. Samsung are much more active.
Wow.
This is a surprising adult thing for you to say, Chris, as it's an observation I would be unaware of, given I don't travel to the UK often.
So I do thank you for your adult observations and I appreciate them.
I remember tons of London ads, even on the sides of tall buses, but I didn't think to look specifically for Apple marketing slogans painted on buildings.
Bear in mind I was using that example to underscore that nobody intelligent _believes_ anything Apple says (*Nobody lies like Apple lies*) in an ad.
Apple is a Marketing company.
Apple is astoundingly successful at playing on their customers' fears.
In doing so, Apple takes advantage of customers' ignorance of basic facts.
Nobody has more zero-day holes than Apple, and yet, people think otherwise. That is the result of Apple being a Marketing powerhouse (and not of R&D).
If you sense that I respect the consistently brilliant Apple Marketing team, you would be correct in that assessment of the formidable power ads wield.
You may also sense that I despise the atrocious lack of Apple software QA. The reason you have so many emergency software releases is you _need_ them.
The fact is:Quote: Message-Id: <shqvrr$1j81$1@gioia.aioe.org>
To update iOS is to use a child's-toy operating system method of update. >>>
I've never said that major OS release don't have bugs, Chris.
The fact you fabricated it means you form opinions based on zero (0) facts. >>
Jesus Christ. How _stupid_ can you apologists be when talking to adults?
Did you think I wouldn't look it up Chris?
<http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cshqvrr%241j81%241%40gioia.aioe.org%3E>
You just proved again you apologists form assessments from zero (0) facts.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> askedthat describes every software company.
"Apple also has a massive backlog of bugs that it >>> hasnÄ…t fixed, >>>>> according to the former employee >>> and a current employee, who also >>>>> spoke on the >>> condition of anonymity because of an NDA."
No nospam.
I get it that you blame every software company for > Apple's flaws.
Enjoy wriggling.
What's interesting is you apologists are so much like little children.
1. You formed your opinion based on exactly zero (0) facts.
2. I asked for a reference that was the basis of your (strong) opinion.
3. The cite you gave me didn't support your assessment in the least.
And then... you moron... and then... you said...
4. "Enjoy wriggling"
WTF?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
You can prove that, of course.
Chris,
Nobody has _ever_ found the facts I've posted to ever be wrong, Chris.
That's not because I'm intelligent - it's because I am an actual adult.
My belief systems are _based_ on facts, Chris.
You can disagree with my factual assessments, Chris - but not the facts.
No adult disagrees on the facts, Chris.
What they differ on is the assessment of those facts.
Because assessments require a weighting system that is individualistic.
But facts are facts are facts are facts.
Only children dispute facts (e.g., "There is a Santa Claus!").
I'm rather well educated at the graduate level in difficult subjects.
You don't succeed in Silicon Valley startups being like you, Chris.
It's only you rather child-like (clearly ignorant) apologists who always
form your entire belief systems about Apple based on exactly zero (0) facts.
It's why you deny all facts you simply _hate_ about Apple products, Chris. Facts instantly _destroy_ your purely imaginary belief system about Apple.
The imaginary belief system Apple fed you on billboards is a lie, Chris.
*Stop sending us Apple bugs, we have enough already*
<https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>
Now, when it suits Jolly Roger, he agrees with me that the frequency of
forced updates that iOS users are forced to endure is indicative of shitty >>> Quality Control.
Doubtful as that's a ridiculous position to hold.
Children hold "ridiculous positions", Chris.
All the positions of the apologists are "ridiculous position to hold" Chris.
Since their belief systems are purely imaginary, whatever position they hold makes no sense in the face of facts, as is what is happening here with you.
*What the market for zero-day exploits tells us about our phones* <https://onezero.medium.com/is-android-getting-safer-than-ios-4a2ca6f359d3>
You're proving my point. Wriggle, wriggle.
I have. Many times. However, it conveniently ignore them.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
You're proving my point. Wriggle, wriggle.
Wriggle wriggle? WTF.
How old are you, Chris?
Apologists are like kindergarten kids who believe _everything_ in ads.
Apple tells these kindergarten apologists that Santa is real.
And these kindergarten apologists _believe_ whatever Apple has told them.
And yet, their _entire_ belief system is _completely_ imaginary.
Just like that of a kindergarten child with who believes in Santa Claus.
1. You apologists claim an entirely imaginary belief system.
2. I provide well-known facts which prove that it's imaginary.
And then you say "wriggle wriggle" Chris?
How _old_ are you apologists?
Five?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> asked
I have. Many times. However, it conveniently ignore them.
And yet, you can't _name_ a single fact supporting your belief system.
Not even one.
*Your apologists' beliefs are based on exactly _zero_ (0) actual facts.* (It's what defines you all.)
Here is the simplest iron-clad proof of that assessment of you, Chris.
*Name just once you've found my facts posted to this ng to be wrong.*]
Note: You can't.
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
Just like that of a kindergarten child with who believes in Santa Claus.
1. You apologists claim an entirely imaginary belief system.
2. I provide well-known facts which prove that it's imaginary.
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
How can you say that Santa is imaginary? 10s of millions of kids see Santa every year and get presents from him.
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
In article <sj2nrh$jah$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
Just like that of a kindergarten child with who believes in Santa Claus. >>> 1. You apologists claim an entirely imaginary belief system.
2. I provide well-known facts which prove that it's imaginary.
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
How can you say that Santa is imaginary? 10s of millions of kids see Santa >> every year and get presents from him.
except for 'arlen's house. santa skipped over it.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
except for 'arlen's house. santa skipped over it.
In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
except for 'arlen's house. santa skipped over it.
Totally untrue.
I have it on good authority Arlen will be getting this for christmas...
https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/IMG_0333.jpg
"Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:sj3l6f$gbg$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
Rod Speed wrote
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
Nothing personal but why are either of those negatives?
"Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:sj3l6f$gbg$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
I can't see your car.
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
How do I know it's you?
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
I can't see your car.
But I can and you could if you were here/
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
How do I know it's you?
Its obvious if you were here.
How can you say that Santa is imaginary? 10s of millions of kids see Santa >> every year and get presents from him.
except for 'arlen's house. santa skipped over it.
Remember that he's an adult. Only children get presents from santa ;)
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
You can't prove a negative. It's impossible.
That’s bullshit, I can trivially prove that there is no full
sized elephant in my car and that I didn’t die this morning.
Go on then. Prove it.
Just look at it, no full adult elephant would fit.
I can't see your car.
But I can and you could if you were here/
And if you don’t buy that, weigh it.
And I just proved that I didn’t die this morning.
How do I know it's you?
Its obvious if you were here.
So I have to believe you.
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