On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the
features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or
because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
You'd think that if it didn't work correctly in Safari, they would have
said something, huh?
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
In what particular does it not work?
Be specific?
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:In what particular does it not work?
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if you're the teacher.
I love theoreticians.
On 2021-03-02, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't >>>> participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
In what particular does it not work?
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
No such message here. I participated in a Zoom call through my Safari
web browser recently. On that call I heard 20+ other people, and they
heard me, without issue. I suspect your PEBKAC.
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No problem at all.
I love theoreticians.
And we hate lying cunts,
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:In what particular does it not work?
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this? Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably >>>Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me >>> of a need to become an expert.
[...]<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if you're the teacher.
Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
No such message here. I participated in a Zoom call through my Safari
web browser recently. On that call I heard 20+ other people, and they
heard me, without issue. I suspect your PEBKAC.
"Participated" as in organized and hosted or merely joined someone else's meeting?
Lewis wrote:[...]
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
I love theoreticians.
And we hate lying cunts,
Go fuck yourself.
On 2/22/21 2:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
Some people seem to just do what they want to do, and make up their own
alternative facts to justify it later on. Joke's on them.
I recommend to my clients to not download or use Chrome unless they
really really want to. The I tell them that is they do, to load as
many extensions s possible. They tell me their friends or someone
online tells them to use Chrome. Hey, I don't care if they don't want
to listen to someone they pay and listen to free advice. As long as
they pay me, I don't care.
I have Chrome on one older MacBook Pro running Catalina. I use only
when someone calls me and is experiencing an issue with it. I have
been Chrome Free on this device and do have to use User Agent from
time to time emulate Chrome in Safari, when requested at a site, for 4
years now. No problem avoiding using the actual application,
"Chrome".
YK
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
That error message, which I do not get, seems to be an OS message, and I
would look in the first instance at whether Chrome has the required
permissions in Systems Preferences.
This was not Chrome. Do you get the error in Safari? If not, then OK - I guess
something is wrong at my end. If you do - then don't claim things you didn't bother to check.
That error message, which I do not get, seems to be an OS message, and I would look in the first instance at whether Chrome has the required permissions in Systems Preferences.
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if >>> you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this? >> Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the
features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or
because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably >>>>Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from >>>> them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message.
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
I have zoom, teams, skype, skype for business (those are two different apps), and webex. I would very much prefer a unified protocol which you can use with multiple clients than what we have now.
On 2021-03-03 12:24 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the >>> features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or >>> because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>>
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from >>>>> them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the >> steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message.
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Again, because apparently you're too thick to understand it the first time:
YOU having a problem is no proof that something can't be done in general.
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that >> for
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App? >>
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that
for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Why should I care if it works for anyone else?
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
So *I* must be a liar because he thinks that my system cannot have a problem his doesn't have?
If you go for the insults and bad logic, you get insults and bad logic, moron.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 12:24 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the >>>>> rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the >>>> features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or >>>> because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with >>>> Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't >>>> participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the
steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message. >>>
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Again, because apparently you're too thick to understand it the first time: >>
YOU having a problem is no proof that something can't be done in general.
Can YOU do it then?
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. >>>> No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*.
Who are these guys you speak of? I singular, thank you very much. And that was
my experience. I've never tried to join a meeting using a web client, I was always the host and I explicitely asked you if you joined or organized the meeting, because I thought maybe it's important. Turns out it was.
To be honest,
I think it's a matter of taste and that the extensions people plug in
are the actual memory hogs (I have exactly 3 running).
Very rarely do I encounter a site which doesn't like Chrome. Then I try Firefoxy and if that doesn't work Safari and if all three fail I
contact the web developers (if I can be bothered enough).
It's good to have choices.
greetings, el
On 02/03/2021 16:45, YK wrote:
On 2/22/21 2:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
Some people seem to just do what they want to do, and make up their own
alternative facts to justify it later on. Joke's on them.
I recommend to my clients to not download or use Chrome unless they
really really want to. The I tell them that is they do, to load as
many extensions s possible. They tell me their friends or someone
online tells them to use Chrome. Hey, I don't care if they don't want
to listen to someone they pay and listen to free advice. As long as
they pay me, I don't care.
I have Chrome on one older MacBook Pro running Catalina. I use only
when someone calls me and is experiencing an issue with it. I have
been Chrome Free on this device and do have to use User Agent from
time to time emulate Chrome in Safari, when requested at a site, for 4
years now. No problem avoiding using the actual application,
"Chrome".
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
So *I* must be a liar because he thinks that my system cannot have a problem his doesn't have?
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if >>>> you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*. Then you moved to it doesn't work in *macOS* *11.x* (Big Sur),
and now you're moving it to it doesn't work when you are the person
*hosting* the meeting. And with each move, the number of potentially
affected people shrinks.
Speaking of which, a simple web search shows the Zoom developers know
their computer audio SDK is broken for meeting organizers (but not participants) in Safari on macOS and are currently working on fixing
that:
In message <s1oatr$d11$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Nope, i think he is a liar because he lied when he claimed, wrongly,
that zoom does not work in Safari and that this is evidence that Safari
is bad.
Zoom works fine in Safari as anyone can test in mere seconds, and as
many of us know since we are occasionally forced to use zoom.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that >>> for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Why should I care if it works for anyone else?
On 2021-03-03 10:42 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <s1oatr$d11$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Nope, i think he is a liar because he lied when he claimed, wrongly,
that zoom does not work in Safari and that this is evidence that Safari
is bad.
I don't think being wrong is the same as being a liar.
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
In article <KOKdnW3mspnBoa39nZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Depends. Some apps really do go away when you close their window (red circle), some don't, but keep running so they'll start up faster next
time (although the OS _can_, if they're properly designed to for
exaple save their data when the last window is closed or when told to
quit, quit them to free up resources, if needed).
I tend to get non-expandable systems maxed out at least on RAM. So I
can afford to leave some things running. If I have too many running,
or plan on doing something intensive (running a few VMs at once, the
browser with 400+ tabs, etc), I may close the ones that are biggest
relative to how long before I expect to use them again.
The automatic behavior of some staying running and being able to be
quit by the system to free resources, is probably "good enough" for
many people most of the time, although different apps do a differently
good or poor job of supporting Automatic Termination and/or Sudden Termination.
Still, a human CAN do better judging what they want to keep hot and
what they don't.
Command-Q will also quit, which may be easier than the app menu. If
you have (depending on OS version) enabled the Dock preference for
showing an indicator for open apps, you can see a tiny marker below
the ones that are actually running, and can occasionally just look at
the Dock and quit from the Dock the ones that seem unnecesary or
excessive,
More details:
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/252483/what-happened-to-automatic-termination
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