On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
Oh, how perfect!
Irony: whooshed.
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
Oh, how perfect!
Irony: whooshed.
On 2/13/2022 4:00 PM, RocketSurgeon wrote:
On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
Oh, how perfect!
Irony: whooshed.
LOL. Quite the chutzpah.
“When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. It's only difficult for other people. It's the same when you're stupid.” ― Philippe Geluck
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:00:14 -0800, RocketSurgeon wrote:
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
Oh, how perfect!
Irony: whooshed.
Irony for sure.
You are the ignorant one here because I never told anyone what they should do.
I have said: It's YOUR body and YOUR choice. Not mine.
It's _you_ who whooshed.
My adult point is, was, and always has been on this thread that:
*Those most ignorant are the ones telling everyone else what to do*
Oh, how perfect!
Irony: whooshed.
LOL. Quite the chutzpah.
I have said: It's YOUR body and YOUR choice. Not mine.
In the context of an infectious respiratory disease pandemic, it isn't.
Your body is a potential vector to many other bodies solely through your actions or inactions. So your choice affects many more people.
Your position is hopelessly simplistic, naive and counter factual.
It's _you_ who whooshed.
False.
The ridiculous trucker protest on the U.S.-Canada border was thankfully
ended with only 30 or so arrests, but with a large economic loss, loss
of wages, and supply chain disruption. Then you have nutcase Rand Paul
urging truckers on in the U.S. saying "I hope they clog up cities.
Additionally, no entity in the U.S. has ever required that anyone be vaccinated. Everyone is perfectly free to make the choice to not be vaccinated, and not to wear a mask. No one's "rights" are being
violated. They simply need to be willing to face the consequences of
their decision, and understand that it can affect their employment
status, their ability to travel, and their ability to enter certain establishments, because protecting the general population is more
important than acknowledging their ignorance.
In the context of an infectious respiratory disease pandemic, it isn't.
Your body is a potential vector to many other bodies solely through your actions or inactions. So your choice affects many more people.
Your position is hopelessly simplistic, naive and counter factual.
That's a false assertion. The 0.0002% are irrelevant as you're so keen to point out. It's the 10-20% we need to really be careful about or even the 0.1-1%.
Society is about protecting the most vulnerable, not "I won't do X because
it has no benefit to me."
Or do you deny that ~1m Americans were killed by COVID?
You're also not losing your basic human rights.
Selfishness is not a basic right.
Show your workings regarding how you're losing your basic human rights?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:12:33 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
I have said: It's YOUR body and YOUR choice. Not mine.
In the context of an infectious respiratory disease pandemic, it isn't.
Chris,
Should we lose all our basic human rights over 0.0002% or not, Chris?
On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Chris wrote:
<snip>
You're also not losing your basic human rights. Selfishness is not a basic >> right.
Show your workings regarding how you're losing your basic human rights?
The alt-right loves to scream about "freedom" and "human rights."
In reality, any freedom they've lost during the pandemic is a direct
result of bad decisions that they've made as a result of not
understanding science or statistics. Sadly, those bad decisions also negatively affect the general population.
No human rights have been lost. The basic human rights are as follows:
1. The right to life
2. The right to freedom from torture
3. The right to equal treatment
4. The right to privacy
5. The right to asylum
6. The right to marry
7. The right to freedom of thought, opinion, and expression
8. The right to work
9. The right to education
10. The right to social services
I guess someone could claim that their right to work has been affected
by employer vaccine mandates, but they can always get a job somewhere
that doesn't have those mandates, so they can still work, just maybe not
at the same pay they've been used to getting.
You're also not losing your basic human rights. Selfishness is not a basic right.
Show your workings regarding how you're losing your basic human rights?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:20:12 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
That's a false assertion. The 0.0002% are irrelevant as you're so keen to
point out. It's the 10-20% we need to really be careful about or even the
0.1-1%.
Long ago I gave you the chart from January 26th 2022 of the deaths broken down by age group, from the CDC itself; I'm well aware of the statistics.
Society is about protecting the most vulnerable, not "I won't do X because >> it has no benefit to me."
We have to weigh how many freedoms won in battle are we going to revoke because ignorant people like Steve are scared out of their minds, Chris.
Or do you deny that ~1m Americans were killed by COVID?
Now you are just using a kindergarten argument Chris.
Stop that.
Do you know that people with a real PhD don't do such stupid things, Chris?
Show your workings regarding how you're losing your basic human rights?
Do we _force_ people to get a shot they clearly don't want, or not, Chris?
(and yes, losing your job is force)
Exactly. You have no right to a specific job but you cannot be denied the opportunity to work.
Exactly. You have no right to a specific job but you cannot be denied the opportunity to work.
Love this cartoon: <https://ifunny.co/picture/QJ4iDHL19>.
Don't look at it as being fired for refusing to get vaccinated, look at
it as an opportunity 'to get one of those minimum-wage jobs you think everyone should be so grateful for.
Long ago I gave you the chart from January 26th 2022 of the deaths broken
down by age group, from the CDC itself; I'm well aware of the statistics.
Why do you pretend otherwise and focus on 0.0002%, then?
The alt-right loves to scream about "freedom" and "human rights."
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 18:56:39 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Long ago I gave you the chart from January 26th 2022 of the deaths broken >>> down by age group, from the CDC itself; I'm well aware of the statistics. >>Why do you pretend otherwise and focus on 0.0002%, then?
I never "pretended", you moron.
I probably don't have much more than an average intelligence,
I asked you three straightforward questions. You've chosen, instead, to attack the messenger. Not much of an "erudite discussion" is it?
My stance has never wavered, and, in fact, both you & Chris prove me right.
I probably don't have much more than an average intelligence,
oh, you definitely don't. i'd be surprised if it was even that high.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:21:09 +0000, Chris wrote:
I asked you three straightforward questions. You've chosen, instead, to
attack the messenger. Not much of an "erudite discussion" is it?
Once in a while the CDC and, more often, the WHO, but in general, only a
fool would dispute the value of the CDC statistics, Chris.
[ snip still not answering the questions ]
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:39:12 +0000, Chris wrote:
[ snip still not answering the questions ]
Chris,
I've been busy adding value on the Windows group for spelltesters,
and I've been busy on the Android group where we're checking if it's true that Google is now seamlessly updating the Android core forever.
Remind me please.
That's a false assertion. The 0.0002% are irrelevant as you're so
keen to point out. It's the 10-20% we need to really be careful
about or even the 0.1-1%.
Long ago I gave you the chart from January 26th 2022 of the deaths
broken down by age group, from the CDC itself; I'm well aware of the statistics.
Society is about protecting the most vulnerable, not "I won't do
X because it has no benefit to me."
We have to weigh how many freedoms won in battle are we going to
revoke because ignorant people like Steve are scared out of their
minds, Chris.
Just answer the question. You're continually trying to diminish theOr do you deny that ~1m Americans were killed by COVID?
Now you are just using a kindergarten argument Chris. Stop that.
What CDC statistic are you claiming I have been disputing, Chris.
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:58:50 -0800, sms wrote:
The whole alt-right movement is based on mindlessly and endlesslyWas that slogan of yours Steve just another of your sleazy political lies? *My Body*... *My Choice*...
chanting slogans and spreading fake information.
Why do you deprecate anyone who thinks for themselves, Steve.
Why must you force everyone to toe _your party line_ in how _they_ think?
Besides, wasn't it you, who mindlessly and endlessly chanted your slogan:
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*... My Body My Choice
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
*My Body*... *My Choice*...
You lied to us for _years_ about the FCC coverage maps, Steve.
And you didn't tell us you were _paid_ by Verizon to shill them.
Was that slogan of yours Steve just another of your sleazy political lies?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:32:05 +0000, Chris wrote:
The only one trying to pretend anecdotes are science is you.Chris,
*What is revealing is how you & sms belittle people who stand on principle*
Like you, I _read_ the cites that people provide on this newsgroup.
That guy said he felt he had a right to decide for himself and he does.
Anecdotes have their place, but if you don't understand that I can show almost anything I want to show with an anecdote, then you aren't as intelligent as I've been assuming you are.
It's a classic trick of advertisers, for example.
HINT: The "testimonial" where people claim a gimmick "really works!"
BTW, assuming you _read_ the anecdotal article also... what's the problem? What right does he have to his feelings don't you want to allow him to have?
ApparentlyHave you read a _single_ thing _you_ wrote Chris?
you steadfast opinion - and it is only an opinion - regarding people's fears is based on you asking them. I bet you didn't even use a
structured questionnaire.
It's _all_ about your intense uncontrollable mind-numbing crazed fears.
Novak's case is a good example to demonstrate the consequences of not getting the vaccine for your own reasons. He's also a great example ofEvery person has the right to make a choice of whether or not they want a foreign substance forced into their bodies by other people who are almost always dumber than a rock, Chris.
not having a toddler tantrum over it.
You think Steve understands _anything_ about Covid, Chris?
You know absolutely nothing about Covid, Chris.
Hell, you don't even know the most common metric of a pandemic, Chris.
And neither does Steve.
Do you really want people _that_ dumb forcing drugs into your body?
Even if that novel new drug is FDA approved for general use? <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/full-fda-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-should-know>
Well, you do.
But I allow others to make the choice for themselves.
That's where we differ.
You want people to do what you want them to do --- by force.
I want them to make an informed choice.
If anyone's got a reason to be really upset it is him. He is foregoingWhat I find interesting is how you belittle people who stand on principle.
the chance to become the most successful male tennis player, ever. The culmination of his almost 20-year career. That's quite some principles...
--
It's telling how Steve and Chris belittle people who are principled.
nospam wrote:
retire early from Silicon Valley startups by being of low IQ like you.
by stock options or inheritance, not brains.I'm going to give out a little detail about my background as it's important that adults understand _why_ these strange iKooks exist, and what they do.
You're right that I lucked out on the stock options because ISO's weren't taxed as NSOs are now so I made thousands on the penny at each IPO (although I also paid twice my income in AMT tax due to IRS imputed ISO values too) until they finally, when I retired, only gave us RSA's due to tax issues.
My point isn't that I'm intelligent as what I say is what matters most.
My point is all you strange iKooks are _different_ from normal people.
And my point is that most people don't understand why.
Personally, I've never met someone in the flesh as strange as the iKooks.
But you iKooks exist so I'm forced to accept that I need to understand you. 1. Most normal people can _accept_ facts, even if they hate them.
2. iKooks can't.
3. Because the iKook belief systems are not based on facts.
In fact:
a. Facts are a dire threat to the iKooks' belief systems.
b. So are people who bear facts (they all blame the authors of news)
c. It's due to iKook low self esteem, low IQ, and a paucity of education
The iKooks are most easily exemplified by assuming they are fifth-grade ignorant bullies who failed every test and had to be held back by years.
a. iKooks _believe_ the MARKETING trick that Santa Claus is real
b. When told Santa isn't real, they _react_ to fact with visceral hatred
c. The reason is that the facts instantly _destroy_ their belief systems
These fifth grade ignorant low-self-esteem bullies act like you iKooks do.
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I don't care that iKooks are uneducated & of low IQ & low self esteem, but _because_ of those things, they are ignorant of what Apple actually does.
Even then I don't care except when iKooks brazenly deny what no adult would.
This thread is patently about FORCE.
Specifically the Democrats, for purely political reasons, advocating force. *Your Body* *_Their Choice_!*
I advocate for intelligent choice.
I advocate for human rights.
One of my science and engineering degrees is in the microbiological
sciences, so that's why I am able to see that almost everything the hoi polloi _think_ they know about this novel Covid drug, is almost completely wrong.
For example, kids have a 99.9998% chance of _not_ dying from Covid, and yet, people like Steve, out of ignorance and fear, want to force _them_ to get
the shot even as the shot does _not_ protect kids from getting infected.
Read thees before you iKooks deny all facts that you simply don't like.
*Pfizer Shot Is Far Less Effective in 5 to 11 Year Olds Than in Older Kids* <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/health/pfizer-vaccine-kids.html>
"*The vaccine offered almost no protection against infection*,
even just a month after full vaccination...
It still prevents severe illness in the children, but offers
*virtually no protection against infection* even within a month
after full immunization"
<https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf>
Page 20. 0.0002% of children aged 5 to 11 in the USA from October
to October 2020 to 2021 died of Covid (99.9998% did _not_ die).
<https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-development-101#621a58a03ce7a>
then click on "FDA Oversight Continues After Approval" where it says
"It is important to note that a vaccine _is_ a drug."
"Drugs are defined as articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease and as articles intended
to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or animals." <https://www.fda.gov/drugs/fda-drug-info-rounds-video/transcript-definition-drug-april-2017>
I'm not saying not to get this drug injected into your body, as I myself
made that decision for myself, but I am saying that ignorant people want to force others to be injected with this drug when they might not trust it.
Ignorance isn't what I deplore; it's forcing your ignorance on others that bothers me, especially since the most ignorant are the ones most advocating force.
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Most people are incredibly ignorant about Covid, which is fine as long as they aren't forcing others to do anything based on their ignorance.
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