• Need PDF editor for El Cap

    From nospam@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Wed Aug 11 16:39:14 2021
    In article <sf1bke$o49$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    10.12 is several years old.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    acrobat reader is not subscription.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 12 09:03:00 2021
    On 2021-08-11 20:23:42 +0000, super70s said:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    If you simply mean filling out the form, then a PDF properly created
    for being filled out on the computer should work in Preview.

    For a form not created for filling out on the computer, then:

    - if it is not a protected PDF, then you can import it
    into a word processor or DTP app and place text boxes
    over the top where you ewant to type details.

    - if it is a protected PDF, you might have to first
    make screengrabs of each page in Preview, then import
    those into the word processor / DTP app. They will
    be screen quality though, so may be better to print
    and rescan them ... in which case you may as well
    simply handwrite the detail ont ot eh printed forms,
    as they were probably designed to be filled out.


    If you actually mean *editing* the forms, then you'll have to be a
    hospital employee with permission to do so.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 11 15:23:42 2021
    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Wed Aug 11 18:40:16 2021
    In article <0aYQI.8824$cd2.2706@fx02.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.


    Preview had problems with a number of forms in the past.

    very few

    It has gotten
    better with more recent versions.

    there have been ui changes, but very little has changed with pdf
    rendering, which is part of mac os, not preview.

    If it doesn't work for your PDF in
    your version of OS-X, I suggest the Adobe Reader if you can find a
    version old enough to work on your OS version.

    (Adobe Reader is free, doesn't require subscription and generally not
    evil).

    at least you got something correct.

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 11 18:28:12 2021
    On 2021-08-11 16:23, super70s wrote:
    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.


    Preview had problems with a number of forms in the past. It has gotten
    better with more recent versions. If it doesn't work for your PDF in
    your version of OS-X, I suggest the Adobe Reader if you can find a
    version old enough to work on your OS version.

    (Adobe Reader is free, doesn't require subscription and generally not
    evil).

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  • From Percival John Hackworth@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Aug 12 04:17:53 2021
    On 11-Aug-2021 at 2:03:00PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2021-08-11 20:23:42 +0000, super70s said:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    If you simply mean filling out the form, then a PDF properly created
    for being filled out on the computer should work in Preview.

    For a form not created for filling out on the computer, then:

    - if it is not a protected PDF, then you can import it
    into a word processor or DTP app and place text boxes
    over the top where you ewant to type details.

    - if it is a protected PDF, you might have to first
    make screengrabs of each page in Preview, then import
    those into the word processor / DTP app. They will
    be screen quality though, so may be better to print
    and rescan them ... in which case you may as well
    simply handwrite the detail ont ot eh printed forms,
    as they were probably designed to be filled out.


    If you actually mean *editing* the forms, then you'll have to be a
    hospital employee with permission to do so.

    Last year, I needed a 1099 form to submit to the IRS declaring
    I'd paid someone over $600 for a class. These forms have to be
    TYPED and mailed into the IRS. You can also fill it out by hand.

    I screwed up the form I had with the wrong info, so downloaded the
    1099 from the IRS web site (the offices were closed and wouldn't be
    mailing out actual copies), used an old copy of Distiller to fill out
    the form by inserting text on various lines and printed out the file.
    I sent that to the IRS. It should be 2-3 years before I hear back.

    You can also use Preview's Text Annotate one line at at time to
    fill in text fields with font of your choice. Save the resulting file as
    a separate name from the original and send in the annotated
    version.

    If the hospital won't accept that, contact your insurance company
    and complain.
    --
    DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Percival John Hackworth on Thu Aug 12 17:58:14 2021
    On 2021-08-12 04:17:53 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On 11-Aug-2021 at 2:03:00PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2021-08-11 20:23:42 +0000, super70s said:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    If you simply mean filling out the form, then a PDF properly created
    for being filled out on the computer should work in Preview.

    For a form not created for filling out on the computer, then:

    - if it is not a protected PDF, then you can import it
    into a word processor or DTP app and place text boxes
    over the top where you ewant to type details.

    - if it is a protected PDF, you might have to first
    make screengrabs of each page in Preview, then import
    those into the word processor / DTP app. They will
    be screen quality though, so may be better to print
    and rescan them ... in which case you may as well
    simply handwrite the detail ont ot eh printed forms,
    as they were probably designed to be filled out.


    If you actually mean *editing* the forms, then you'll have to be a
    hospital employee with permission to do so.

    Last year, I needed a 1099 form to submit to the IRS declaring
    I'd paid someone over $600 for a class. These forms have to be
    TYPED and mailed into the IRS. You can also fill it out by hand.

    I screwed up the form I had with the wrong info, so downloaded the
    1099 from the IRS web site (the offices were closed and wouldn't be
    mailing out actual copies), used an old copy of Distiller to fill out
    the form by inserting text on various lines and printed out the file.
    I sent that to the IRS. It should be 2-3 years before I hear back.

    You can also use Preview's Text Annotate one line at at time to
    fill in text fields with font of your choice. Save the resulting file as
    a separate name from the original and send in the annotated
    version.

    If the hospital won't accept that, contact your insurance company
    and complain.

    The main issue with many forms is that they legally need a proper
    signature. In some cases you can get around that by inserting an image
    of your signature onto the form.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Percival John Hackworth on Thu Aug 12 02:53:39 2021
    In article <injlnhF1c03U1@mid.individual.net>,
    Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

    On 11-Aug-2021 at 2:03:00PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2021-08-11 20:23:42 +0000, super70s said:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    If you simply mean filling out the form, then a PDF properly created
    for being filled out on the computer should work in Preview.

    For a form not created for filling out on the computer, then:

    - if it is not a protected PDF, then you can import it
    into a word processor or DTP app and place text boxes
    over the top where you ewant to type details.

    - if it is a protected PDF, you might have to first
    make screengrabs of each page in Preview, then import
    those into the word processor / DTP app. They will
    be screen quality though, so may be better to print
    and rescan them ... in which case you may as well
    simply handwrite the detail ont ot eh printed forms,
    as they were probably designed to be filled out.


    If you actually mean *editing* the forms, then you'll have to be a
    hospital employee with permission to do so.

    No I don't want to edit it in that sense.

    Last year, I needed a 1099 form to submit to the IRS declaring
    I'd paid someone over $600 for a class. These forms have to be
    TYPED and mailed into the IRS. You can also fill it out by hand.

    I screwed up the form I had with the wrong info, so downloaded the
    1099 from the IRS web site (the offices were closed and wouldn't be
    mailing out actual copies), used an old copy of Distiller to fill out
    the form by inserting text on various lines and printed out the file.
    I sent that to the IRS. It should be 2-3 years before I hear back.

    Yes I want to insert text into the form fields, many respondents
    apparently didn't understand (even though I said "editor" as opposed to "reader").

    You can also use Preview's Text Annotate one line at at time to
    fill in text fields with font of your choice. Save the resulting file as
    a separate name from the original and send in the annotated
    version.

    I did not realize Preview had that feature now, I guess I'm too used to
    using an ancient version on my other older system that is "read only."

    I just printed the form out, filled it out by hand, and snail mailed it
    in that way. It probably won't take any longer for them to process than
    if I'd emailed it in (knowing the backlog of financial assistance forms hospitals probably have these days).

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 12 03:02:59 2021
    In article <110820211639148369%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some reason.

    10.12 is several years old.

    You don't say. 10.11.6's last update was was 7/9/18 so I don't
    understand why an app released on 12/23/16 would demand 10.12 Sierra,
    unless it had several updates until the next version itself.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Thu Aug 12 09:15:42 2021
    In article <sf2d9m$47e$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


    The main issue with many forms is that they legally need a proper
    signature. In some cases you can get around that by inserting an image
    of your signature onto the form.

    these days, most places accept an electronic signature, usually /s/ and
    the person's name, or just print the filled out version and sign it.
    it's also possible to sign on the trackpad with one's finger, which can
    then be placed, but that usually doesn't look anything like the
    person's actual signature.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Thu Aug 12 09:15:43 2021
    In article
    <super70s-46BEB6.02533912082021@reader.eternal-september.org>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I did not realize Preview had that feature now, I guess I'm too used to
    using an ancient version on my other older system that is "read only."

    forms are part of pdf, and preview always supported it.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Thu Aug 12 15:56:38 2021
    In message <super70s-AA4B96.03025912082021@reader.eternal-september.org> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    In article <110820211639148369%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    10.12 is several years old.

    You don't say. 10.11.6's last update was was 7/9/18 so I don't
    understand why an app released on 12/23/16 would demand 10.12 Sierra,

    Because it was compiled against the 10.12 SDK, obviously.

    --
    Sam, I thought I told you never to play--

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 12 21:53:33 2021
    On 2021-08-12 09:15, nospam wrote:

    forms are part of pdf, and preview always supported it.

    Forms was not part of original PDF. Not all of thge older software was
    able to properly deal with forms. They'd display the document but didn't
    have the hooks to add text entry.

    Preview in older OS-X was one such example and this was updated at one
    point to have proper support for forms.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Thu Aug 12 22:02:20 2021
    In article <xgkRI.592$SX.29@fx03.iad>, JF Mezei
    <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:


    forms are part of pdf, and preview always supported it.

    Forms was not part of original PDF.

    pdf predates mac os x.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Aug 15 10:50:34 2021
    On 2021-08-11 20:39:14 +0000, nospam said:

    In article <sf1bke$o49$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    Skim, not included with Mac OS, but free and easy to get, will also do it.

    I downloaded the 5.7.0 version of PDFelement from MacUpdate with a
    "Dec. 23 2016" release date and the thing demanded OS 10.12 for some
    reason.

    10.12 is several years old.

    I will try anything except an Adobe product because I'm sure as hell
    not subscribing to anything (or subscribing/canceling).

    acrobat reader is not subscription.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to acornish@imm.cnrs.fr on Sun Aug 15 05:07:10 2021
    In article <ins2qqFnepqU1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR
    that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    Skim, not included with Mac OS, but free and easy to get, will also do it.

    no need for anything else, since preview is included

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Mon Aug 16 16:11:07 2021
    In article <1fe67b4d-7e0c-4fdf-8c56-92e867319438n@googlegroups.com>,
    Connor Shannon <cshannon1898@gmail.com> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR >> that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    Skim, not included with Mac OS, but free and easy to get, will also do it.
    no need for anything else, since preview is included

    I know you can use Preview to fill in a form and like some body said you can use Annotate to mark it up but how can Preview edit a PDF?? The OP put "EDITOR" in all caps so he wants to change the form.

    he means fill out the form. he did not realize that forms are a key
    feature of pdf, one which does not require a pdf editor.

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  • From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Aug 16 13:04:47 2021
    On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 2:07:14 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
    In article <ins2qq...@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR >> that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    Skim, not included with Mac OS, but free and easy to get, will also do it.
    no need for anything else, since preview is included

    I know you can use Preview to fill in a form and like some body said you can use Annotate to mark it up but how can Preview edit a PDF?? The OP put "EDITOR" in all caps so he wants to change the form.

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Aug 16 17:03:24 2021
    On 2021-08-16 16:11, nospam wrote:

    he means fill out the form. he did not realize that forms are a key
    feature of pdf, one which does not require a pdf editor.


    And you keep omitting the fact that the version of OS-X he is running
    predates proper form support in Preview.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Mon Aug 16 17:19:46 2021
    In article <woASI.92241$805.38341@fx43.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:


    he means fill out the form. he did not realize that forms are a key
    feature of pdf, one which does not require a pdf editor.


    And you keep omitting the fact that the version of OS-X he is running predates proper form support in Preview.

    that is very much *not* a fact.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Tue Aug 17 09:24:35 2021
    On 2021-08-16 20:04:47 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 2:07:14 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
    In article <ins2qq...@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
    <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

    I need to edit a hospital form and I'm trying to run down a pdf EDITOR >>>>> that will run on 10.11.6 El Cap.

    forms are easy.

    preview, included with mac os will do it.

    Skim, not included with Mac OS, but free and easy to get, will also do it. >>
    no need for anything else, since preview is included

    I know you can use Preview to fill in a form and like some body said
    you can use Annotate to mark it up but how can Preview edit a PDF?? The
    OP put "EDITOR" in all caps so he wants to change the form.

    The OP did not want to actually edit the form, simply fill in the fields.

    "Yes I want to insert text into the form fields, many
    respondents apparently didn't understand (even though
    I said "editor" as opposed to "reader")."

    Many readers will allow you to fill in a form, *if* the PDF has been
    set-up properly to allow that. If it hasn't then you need an editor or
    another workaround (such as importing into an app like Pages and
    overlaying the field text).

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Mon Aug 16 17:49:24 2021
    In article <sfel2j$1g2s$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


    Many readers will allow you to fill in a form, *if* the PDF has been
    set-up properly to allow that.

    obviously the pdf has to be a fillable form for it to work.

    If it hasn't then you need an editor or
    another workaround (such as importing into an app like Pages and
    overlaying the field text).

    nope. text items can be overlaid in preview, along with shapes (e.g.,
    to circle an item or add an arrow pointing to something), highlighting
    blocks of text and much more.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to JF Mezei on Mon Aug 16 22:34:42 2021
    In message <woASI.92241$805.38341@fx43.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    On 2021-08-16 16:11, nospam wrote:

    he means fill out the form. he did not realize that forms are a key
    feature of pdf, one which does not require a pdf editor.

    And you keep omitting the fact that the version of OS-X he is running predates proper form support in Preview.

    Bullshit.


    --
    "you'd think you could trust a horde of hungarian barbarians"

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