I have an external 2011 LaCie hard-drive attached to my MacBook Pro for TimeMachine backups. It is time for me to upgrade from my hard-drive
to a larger faster SSD but before I do that I'd like to consider iCloud
as an option.

I have about 300GB worth of personal data (emails plus their
attachments, photos/videos, music, documents, spreadsheets, etc). I
currently have the free 5GB iCloud account which I almost never use.
It is my understanding that iCloud is used indirectly by some
applications like Notes and Contacts. I do not use iCloud for emails, photos/videos, music, etc. I would be willing to upgrade to the 2TB
iCloud plan.

My question is: would iCloud be a better solution for my TimeMachine
backups? What are the advantages and disadvantages? What do most
people here use? Can the iCloud TimeMachine backup be used by the
Migration Assistant to migrate from one MacBook Pro to another? In
other words, are the applications and OS-specific files also backed up
to iCloud?

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In message <skkv80$tfc$1@dont-email.me> TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:

My question is: would iCloud be a better solution for my TimeMachine
backups?

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but
you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you
from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

What are the advantages and disadvantages? What do most
people here use?

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

--
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.." -
Oscar Wilde

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On 2021-10-19 02:35:28 +0000, Lewis said:

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but
you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you
from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. It sounds like I will have to
purchase that SSD.

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

So you have two external storage solutions attached to your Mac; a
Synology NAS and a TimeMachine hard-drive/SSD? And isn't Backblaze
similar to iCloud?

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On 2021-10-19 02:53:52 +0000, TDH1978 said:

On 2021-10-19 02:35:28 +0000, Lewis said:

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but
you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you
from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. It sounds like I will have to
purchase that SSD.

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

So you have two external storage solutions attached to your Mac; a
Synology NAS and a TimeMachine hard-drive/SSD? And isn't Backblaze
similar to iCloud?

iCloud is a storage drive on someone else's server, but it's not a
"backup" and Apple states that very clearly. Things can be too easily
deleted from iCloud accidentally. DropBox would be another service that
is sort-of similar. You can open the files directly from you iCloud
drive.

Backblaze is a proper off-site backup. Nothing is deleted from there
unless you purposely do so. You can't open any files stored here - you
can only copy them on or retrieve them.

The benefit of a proper off-site backup is if something happens to your
entire local set-up (fire, burglary), then you can get back all the
fiels since your last backup. The drawback is that it is rather slow
compared to a local drive, and it can eat up large amounts of traffic
if you've got a data-capped internet connection.

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On 10/18/21 7:16 PM, TDH1978 wrote:

I have an external 2011 LaCie hard-drive attached to my MacBook Pro for TimeMachine backups.  It is time for me to upgrade from my hard-drive to
a larger faster SSD but before I do that I'd like to consider iCloud as
an option.

I have about 300GB worth of personal data (emails plus their
attachments, photos/videos, music, documents, spreadsheets, etc).  I currently have the free 5GB iCloud account which I almost never use. It
is my understanding that iCloud is used indirectly by some applications
like Notes and Contacts.  I do not use iCloud for emails, photos/videos, music, etc.  I would be willing to upgrade to the 2TB iCloud plan.

My question is: would iCloud be a better solution for my TimeMachine backups?  What are the advantages and disadvantages?  What do most
people here use?  Can the iCloud TimeMachine backup be used by the
Migration Assistant to migrate from one MacBook Pro to another?  In
other words, are the applications and OS-specific files also backed up
to iCloud?

I've never been comfortable with my data-- supposedly securely-encrypted
or not-- residing on some remote hard drive...who knows where and under
whose supervision, access and control.

--
When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to
help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.
- Thomas Sowell

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In message <sklc00$q04$1@dont-email.me> TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:

On 2021-10-19 02:35:28 +0000, Lewis said:

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but
you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you
from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. It sounds like I will have to
purchase that SSD.

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

So you have two external storage solutions attached to your Mac; a
Synology NAS and a TimeMachine hard-drive/SSD? And isn't Backblaze
similar to iCloud?

The NAS is a network drive located in a different place from my computer
(about 15km away) and I connect to it over the Internet.

So, three of the copies of my important data are off-site, and in
different sites.

Backblaze is not similar to iCloud, or not much similar. First, it does
support versioning, so I have 30 days worth of recovery versions of
files. Second, Backblaze is setup with TNO encryption (that is to say, I
hold an encryption key that is applied to the data before it leaves my computer, so no one can access those files). Third, Backblaze is
not setup to sync those files to other machines, and accessing an
individual file from Backblaze is not especially convenient (though
possible, and I have done this a few times).

The exact sets of what is in each backup does vary somewhat. There is
more in Backblaze than in iCloud, for example, for the simple reason
that I have to explicitly decide what to put in iCloud while in
Backblaze it is the opposite, I have to decide what NOT to put on
Backblaze. But the important files are in all four places.

One trick that I do with iCloud is I created a Downloads folder on
iCloud, and that is where all of my machines and devices save downloaded
files. This means that when I am out and someone mentions a new app (or
I hear something on a podcast) I can download it on my phone and by the
time I am home, the file is on my computers, ready to install.

I also keep a folder on iCloud of Installers, that contains various OS installation images, including the current FreeBSD releases (amd64 ad
i386) current macOS dmg files,a nd a few utility installers that I do
not want to have to find again, as well as a Windows 7 and Windows 10
installer image.

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People in cages is never not personal, sweetie.

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On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 11:37:57 AM UTC-7, Stefen Carroll - frelwizzen wrote:

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:08:36 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:

In message <sklc00$q04$1...@dont-email.me> TDH1978 <thedeerh...@movie.uni> wrote:

On 2021-10-19 02:35:28 +0000, Lewis said:

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but >> you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you >> from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. It sounds like I will have to purchase that SSD.

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

So you have two external storage solutions attached to your Mac; a Synology NAS and a TimeMachine hard-drive/SSD? And isn't Backblaze similar to iCloud?

The NAS is a network drive located in a different place from my computer (about 15km away) and I connect to it over the Internet.

So, three of the copies of my important data are off-site, and in
different sites.

Backblaze is not similar to iCloud, or not much similar. First, it does support versioning, so I have 30 days worth of recovery versions of
files. Second, Backblaze is setup with TNO encryption (that is to say, I hold an encryption key that is applied to the data before it leaves my computer, so no one can access those files). Third, Backblaze is
not setup to sync those files to other machines, and accessing an individual file from Backblaze is not especially convenient (though possible, and I have done this a few times).

The exact sets of what is in each backup does vary somewhat. There is
more in Backblaze than in iCloud, for example, for the simple reason
that I have to explicitly decide what to put in iCloud while in
Backblaze it is the opposite, I have to decide what NOT to put on Backblaze. But the important files are in all four places.

One trick that I do with iCloud is I created a Downloads folder on
iCloud, and that is where all of my machines and devices save downloaded files. This means that when I am out and someone mentions a new app (or
I hear something on a podcast) I can download it on my phone and by the time I am home, the file is on my computers, ready to install.

I also keep a folder on iCloud of Installers, that contains various OS installation images, including the current FreeBSD releases (amd64 ad
i386) current macOS dmg files,a nd a few utility installers that I do
not want to have to find again, as well as a Windows 7 and Windows 10 installer image.

--
People in cages is never not personal, sweetie.

Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone number:

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
these days so that doesn't count as public information,
snit.
...
As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
concept.
-----

<XnsAC32AD...@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
-----
I've only been sharing whats available via a public
database. You haven't. :)
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
database. Which makes it private. not public as you
incorrectly assume.
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----

Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
database.

No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
previously.
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
he knows that.
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
public records search.
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
you erroneously think here.
-----

<XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
via a google search or a paid public records search.
-----

<XnsAC1D79...@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
-----
They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
*ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
number assigned to the phone.
-----

<XnsAC17C6...@4uMkH0FFER6s72gSy7J8N4B67.Mht3WTC373bt67J31gn>
-----
You didn't even score the right city, Snit. And, the
correct city is common, public knowledge with the regulars
here. The moment you unblocked 'Johnson City' in your
videos, you were busted.
-----

<XnsAC212D...@gt3i2B7y.5N0FOv3e210vLOej4O4doj8b>
-----
David, every single Address you've posted that's supposed
to be mine has been Kingsport. Not Johnson City. Don't you
think you should tell snit that was a fuckup on his part
by now? :)
-----

<XnsAC2110...@3R4NM89td0T86C.231IPkH>
-----
His response to that was to file a report with the
kingsport,tn police. Well hell, why not the johnson city
ones? That's where he claimed the call said it originated
from. :)
-----

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https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/C00166710/donors/2016
Dustin Cook is a functional illiterate fraud

Silver Slimer conned Mike Easter as much as he deserves, big fricking deal. Mike Easter is being a crying bastard about it? Hell, just recently he
was declaring himself the only "true Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in satire-quotes just to annoy people) are actively working against the success of desktop Linux.

Don't look now, but I think Mike Easter has a serious fascination with
Silver Slimer.

It was Mike Easter who forged me (and others) and did not even try to
hide it.


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https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/108-Warrior-Dr-Kingsport-TN-37663/42459578_zpid/
Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Petruzzellis

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On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:08:36 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:

In message <sklc00$q04$1...@dont-email.me> TDH1978 <thedeerh...@movie.uni> wrote:

On 2021-10-19 02:35:28 +0000, Lewis said:

No. You could certainly have a backup copy of your data on iCloud, but
you cannot have a Time Machine archive on iCloud, and iCloud doesn't
support the sort of versioning that Time Machine does.

iCloud Drive is for having a place were your files are available to you
from all your devices, it's not a backup solution per se.

Okay, thanks for that clarification. It sounds like I will have to
purchase that SSD.

I have all my important files on iCloud and my Synology and in
Backblaze AND in a local Time Machine backup.

So you have two external storage solutions attached to your Mac; a
Synology NAS and a TimeMachine hard-drive/SSD? And isn't Backblaze
similar to iCloud?

The NAS is a network drive located in a different place from my computer (about 15km away) and I connect to it over the Internet.

So, three of the copies of my important data are off-site, and in
different sites.

Backblaze is not similar to iCloud, or not much similar. First, it does support versioning, so I have 30 days worth of recovery versions of
files. Second, Backblaze is setup with TNO encryption (that is to say, I
hold an encryption key that is applied to the data before it leaves my computer, so no one can access those files). Third, Backblaze is
not setup to sync those files to other machines, and accessing an
individual file from Backblaze is not especially convenient (though
possible, and I have done this a few times).

The exact sets of what is in each backup does vary somewhat. There is
more in Backblaze than in iCloud, for example, for the simple reason
that I have to explicitly decide what to put in iCloud while in
Backblaze it is the opposite, I have to decide what NOT to put on
Backblaze. But the important files are in all four places.

One trick that I do with iCloud is I created a Downloads folder on
iCloud, and that is where all of my machines and devices save downloaded files. This means that when I am out and someone mentions a new app (or
I hear something on a podcast) I can download it on my phone and by the
time I am home, the file is on my computers, ready to install.

I also keep a folder on iCloud of Installers, that contains various OS installation images, including the current FreeBSD releases (amd64 ad
i386) current macOS dmg files,a nd a few utility installers that I do
not want to have to find again, as well as a Windows 7 and Windows 10 installer image.

--
People in cages is never not personal, sweetie.

Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone
number:

<XnsAC34A629C8F3DHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
these days so that doesn't count as public information,
snit.
...
As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
concept.
-----

<XnsAC32ADC5A8EECHT1@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
-----
I've only been sharing whats available via a public
database. You haven't. :)
-----

<XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
database. Which makes it private. not public as you
incorrectly assume.
-----

<XnsAC34A62CD62DDHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----

Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
database.

No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
previously.
-----

<XnsAC34A62EE3F39HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
he knows that.
-----

<XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
public records search.
-----

<XnsAC34A62ACDF8HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
you erroneously think here.
-----

<XnsAC34A62A42D90HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
via a google search or a paid public records search.
-----

<XnsAC1D794DE5AD5HT1@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
-----
They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
*ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
number assigned to the phone.
-----

<XnsAC17C66D49387HT1@4uMkH0FFER6s72gSy7J8N4B67.Mht3WTC373bt67J31gn>
-----
You didn't even score the right city, Snit. And, the
correct city is common, public knowledge with the regulars
here. The moment you unblocked 'Johnson City' in your
videos, you were busted.
-----

<XnsAC212DEE4D1DCHT1@gt3i2B7y.5N0FOv3e210vLOej4O4doj8b>
-----
David, every single Address you've posted that's supposed
to be mine has been Kingsport. Not Johnson City. Don't you
think you should tell snit that was a fuckup on his part
by now? :)
-----

<XnsAC21106DF6C20HT1@3R4NM89td0T86C.231IPkH>
-----
His response to that was to file a report with the
kingsport,tn police. Well hell, why not the johnson city
ones? That's where he claimed the call said it originated
from. :)
-----

--
This broke the Internet
Automate Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Petruzzellis$20or$20Carroll
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/C00166710/donors/2016
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