• Wi-Fi dying on my iMac?

    From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 25 21:07:22 2023
    Yesterday my Wi-Fi on this iMac went off.

    No way to connect it to my router.

    I could see other (familiar) neighbor's routers.

    Fired up iStumbler - usually I'd see a dozen or more local WiFi's over 2
    bands. Now only seeing a few at a time.

    Did all the usual stuff. The names of the routers would change from
    time to time.

    Occasionally it would connect to one of my 4 WiFi spots (2 private + 2
    guest). No internet traffic.

    Reviewed and reset everything.

    Removed and restored the WiFi from Preferences.

    "Make Service Inactive" - reboot - "Make Service Active".

    SMC reset
    PRAM reset

    Briefly today, one of the guest WiFi's worked for about 10 minutes
    before dropping out again.

    <sigh>

    Took the iMac screen off (this is the slim edge edition - I never
    re-sealed it after a disk change, so just removed the packing tape that
    was holding the screen on....)
    Disconnected and removed the display.
    Disconnected the RF connectors, examined them - fine, restored.

    Unscrewed the antennas from the edges, examined, cleaned (in case of
    metal particles).

    Noted that the grounding "fingers" that bond <cough> the backshell to
    the display assembly around the main electronics could potentially touch
    the antennas. Put Kapton tape in between to make sure there would be no contact when the display "pressed" these in again.

    Re-assembled.

    Still no Wi-Fi other than a brief burst of 2 or 3 minutes on a guest access.

    Deleted a pile of related files in
    /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/ (per a guide online) and
    re-booted.

    The behaviour smacks to me of failing WiFi hardware - the intermittency
    of known WiFi access points appearing and disappearing.

    At first thought the antennas or cables - but they are fine as far as I
    can see.

    No bluetooth issues - but not sure if it's the same chip. From the h/w
    config I don't believe so. (Both are Broadcom).

    Any ideas appreciated.

    I'll try a Safe Mode boot tomorrow evening.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Jun 26 08:10:51 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    On 26/06/2023 02:07, Alan Browne wrote:
    Yesterday my Wi-Fi on this iMac went off.

    No way to connect it to my router.

    I could see other (familiar) neighbor's routers.

    Fired up iStumbler - usually I'd see a dozen or more local WiFi's over 2 bands.  Now only seeing a few at a time.

    Did all the usual stuff.  The names of the routers would change from
    time to time.

    Occasionally it would connect to one of my 4 WiFi spots (2 private + 2 guest).  No internet traffic.

    Reviewed and reset everything.

    Removed and restored the WiFi from Preferences.

    "Make Service Inactive" - reboot - "Make Service Active".

    SMC reset
    PRAM reset

    Briefly today, one of the guest WiFi's worked for about 10 minutes
    before dropping out again.

    <sigh>

    Took the iMac screen off (this is the slim edge edition - I never
    re-sealed it after a disk change, so just removed the packing tape that
    was holding the screen on....)
    Disconnected and removed the display.
    Disconnected the RF connectors, examined them - fine, restored.

    Unscrewed the antennas from the edges, examined, cleaned (in case of
    metal particles).

    Noted that the grounding "fingers" that bond <cough> the backshell to
    the display assembly around the main electronics could potentially touch
    the antennas.  Put Kapton tape in between to make sure there would be no contact when the display "pressed" these in again.

    Re-assembled.

    Still no Wi-Fi other than a brief burst of 2 or 3 minutes on a guest
    access.

    Deleted a pile of related files in
    /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/ (per a guide online) and
    re-booted.

    The behaviour smacks to me of failing WiFi hardware - the intermittency
    of known WiFi access points appearing and disappearing.

    At first thought the antennas or cables - but they are fine as far as I
    can see.

    No bluetooth issues - but not sure if it's the same chip.  From the h/w config I don't believe so. (Both are Broadcom).

    Any ideas appreciated.

    I'll try a Safe Mode boot tomorrow evening.

    Hello Alan

    It seems like you have already performed several troubleshooting steps
    to resolve the Wi-Fi issue on your iMac. If the problem persists, here
    are a few additional suggestions you can try:

    1. Safe Mode: As you mentioned, booting your iMac into Safe Mode is a
    good idea. It helps to isolate software conflicts that might be
    affecting the Wi-Fi functionality. To boot into Safe Mode, follow these
    steps:
    - Shut down your iMac.
    - Turn on your iMac and immediately press and hold the Shift key.
    - Release the Shift key when you see the Apple logo.
    - Once in Safe Mode, check if the Wi-Fi connection is stable. If it
    works fine, it suggests that a third-party software or extension might
    be causing the issue.

    2. Create a new network location: Sometimes, creating a new network
    location can help resolve network-related problems. Follow these steps:
    - Go to System Preferences on your iMac.
    - Click on Network.
    - Click on the lock icon at the bottom-left corner and enter your administrator password.
    - Select Wi-Fi from the left sidebar.
    - Click on the "Location" drop-down menu and select "Edit Locations."
    - Click on the "+" button to create a new location, give it a name,
    and click on "Done."
    - Select the newly created location from the drop-down menu and
    configure your Wi-Fi settings again.

    3. Reset the Wi-Fi module: Resetting the Wi-Fi module can sometimes
    resolve hardware-related issues. To do this, you can follow these steps:
    - Shut down your iMac.
    - Unplug the power cord from your router and modem.
    - Wait for a few minutes, then plug them back in and wait for them
    to fully restart.
    - Turn on your iMac and check if the Wi-Fi connection is working.

    4. Contact Apple Support: If none of the above steps resolve the issue,
    it's possible that there might be a hardware problem with your iMac's
    Wi-Fi module. In such cases, it's recommended to contact Apple Support
    or take your iMac to an authorized service provider for further
    assistance and possible repairs.

    It's worth noting that the intermittent behavior you described, with
    known Wi-Fi access points appearing and disappearing, does suggest a
    potential hardware issue. Professional diagnosis and repair may be
    necessary to resolve the problem effectively.

    HTH

    --
    Good luck! :-D
    David

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jun 26 08:14:29 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/06/2023 08:10, David Brooks wrote:
    On 26/06/2023 02:07, Alan Browne wrote:
    Yesterday my Wi-Fi on this iMac went off.

    No way to connect it to my router.

    I could see other (familiar) neighbor's routers.

    Fired up iStumbler - usually I'd see a dozen or more local WiFi's over
    2 bands.  Now only seeing a few at a time.

    Did all the usual stuff.  The names of the routers would change from
    time to time.

    Occasionally it would connect to one of my 4 WiFi spots (2 private + 2
    guest).  No internet traffic.

    Reviewed and reset everything.

    Removed and restored the WiFi from Preferences.

    "Make Service Inactive" - reboot - "Make Service Active".

    SMC reset
    PRAM reset

    Briefly today, one of the guest WiFi's worked for about 10 minutes
    before dropping out again.

    <sigh>

    Took the iMac screen off (this is the slim edge edition - I never
    re-sealed it after a disk change, so just removed the packing tape
    that was holding the screen on....)
    Disconnected and removed the display.
    Disconnected the RF connectors, examined them - fine, restored.

    Unscrewed the antennas from the edges, examined, cleaned (in case of
    metal particles).

    Noted that the grounding "fingers" that bond <cough> the backshell to
    the display assembly around the main electronics could potentially
    touch the antennas.  Put Kapton tape in between to make sure there
    would be no contact when the display "pressed" these in again.

    Re-assembled.

    Still no Wi-Fi other than a brief burst of 2 or 3 minutes on a guest
    access.

    Deleted a pile of related files in
    /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/ (per a guide online) and
    re-booted.

    The behaviour smacks to me of failing WiFi hardware - the
    intermittency of known WiFi access points appearing and disappearing.

    At first thought the antennas or cables - but they are fine as far as
    I can see.

    No bluetooth issues - but not sure if it's the same chip.  From the
    h/w config I don't believe so. (Both are Broadcom).

    Any ideas appreciated.

    I'll try a Safe Mode boot tomorrow evening.

    Hello Alan

    It seems like you have already performed several troubleshooting steps
    to resolve the Wi-Fi issue on your iMac. If the problem persists, here
    are a few additional suggestions you can try:

    1. Safe Mode: As you mentioned, booting your iMac into Safe Mode is a
    good idea. It helps to isolate software conflicts that might be
    affecting the Wi-Fi functionality. To boot into Safe Mode, follow these steps:
       - Shut down your iMac.
       - Turn on your iMac and immediately press and hold the Shift key.
       - Release the Shift key when you see the Apple logo.
       - Once in Safe Mode, check if the Wi-Fi connection is stable. If it works fine, it suggests that a third-party software or extension might
    be causing the issue.

    2. Create a new network location: Sometimes, creating a new network
    location can help resolve network-related problems. Follow these steps:
       - Go to System Preferences on your iMac.
       - Click on Network.
       - Click on the lock icon at the bottom-left corner and enter your administrator password.
       - Select Wi-Fi from the left sidebar.
       - Click on the "Location" drop-down menu and select "Edit Locations."
       - Click on the "+" button to create a new location, give it a name,
    and click on "Done."
       - Select the newly created location from the drop-down menu and configure your Wi-Fi settings again.

    3. Reset the Wi-Fi module: Resetting the Wi-Fi module can sometimes
    resolve hardware-related issues. To do this, you can follow these steps:
       - Shut down your iMac.
       - Unplug the power cord from your router and modem.
       - Wait for a few minutes, then plug them back in and wait for them
    to fully restart.
       - Turn on your iMac and check if the Wi-Fi connection is working.

    4. Contact Apple Support: If none of the above steps resolve the issue,
    it's possible that there might be a hardware problem with your iMac's
    Wi-Fi module. In such cases, it's recommended to contact Apple Support
    or take your iMac to an authorized service provider for further
    assistance and possible repairs.

    It's worth noting that the intermittent behavior you described, with
    known Wi-Fi access points appearing and disappearing, does suggest a potential hardware issue. Professional diagnosis and repair may be
    necessary to resolve the problem effectively.

    HTH

    I'll come clean! ;-)

    My response was the answer provided by AI, unaltered by me!

    Quite amazing - to me anyway!

    --
    David

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 17:03:02 2023
    On 2023-06-25 21:07, Alan Browne wrote:

    Well 5 GHz side is working well - I'll keep that going for the day w/o Ethernet. Has been stable for 2 or 3 hours.

    Maybe by dint of trying different things putting in "bad" TCP/IP
    settings and the back, etc. has finally written the right settings into
    the modem... no telling.

    2.4 GHz won't connect.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 28 16:39:04 2023
    On 2023-06-25 21:07, Alan Browne wrote:


    - all dead again - the 5GHz side worked for a day - won't come back now.
    - I'm guessing the modem has failed in some minor way making it flaky.

    I might take it apart again and pull the main board to see if there
    might be contaminant on the back of the main board where I believer the
    modem is located - this is a "deeper" dive than the prior one - a lot of
    screws and connectors, some of them tough to pull out.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Jun 28 18:00:29 2023
    On 2023-06-28 16:39, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-06-25 21:07, Alan Browne wrote:


    - all dead again - the 5GHz side worked for a day - won't come back now.
    - I'm guessing the modem has failed in some minor way making it flaky.

    I might take it apart again and pull the main board to see if there
    might be contaminant on the back of the main board where I believer the
    modem is located - this is a "deeper" dive than the prior one - a lot of screws and connectors, some of them tough to pull out.

    And now the 5 GHz works fine....

    <sigh>

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Jun 28 18:03:12 2023
    On 2023-06-28 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-06-28 16:39, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-06-25 21:07, Alan Browne wrote:


    - all dead again - the 5GHz side worked for a day - won't come back now.
    - I'm guessing the modem has failed in some minor way making it flaky.

    I might take it apart again and pull the main board to see if there
    might be contaminant on the back of the main board where I believer
    the modem is located - this is a "deeper" dive than the prior one - a
    lot of screws and connectors, some of them tough to pull out.

    And now the 5 GHz works fine....

    <sigh>


    Could it be heat related?

    When I see intermittent failure of components like that, I think about heat.

    See if you can force feed it cool air with a fan.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Jun 29 09:20:42 2023
    On 2023-06-28 21:03, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-28 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-06-28 16:39, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-06-25 21:07, Alan Browne wrote:


    - all dead again - the 5GHz side worked for a day - won't come back now. >>> - I'm guessing the modem has failed in some minor way making it flaky.

    I might take it apart again and pull the main board to see if there
    might be contaminant on the back of the main board where I believer
    the modem is located - this is a "deeper" dive than the prior one - a
    lot of screws and connectors, some of them tough to pull out.

    And now the 5 GHz works fine....

    <sigh>


    Could it be heat related?

    Always possible. I have iStat Menus and there is nothing temperature
    intense going on in there - though there's no sensor on that chip, itself.
    Most things are in the 44 - 60°C range (under light use) - fan is at
    lowest speed (1200).


    When I see intermittent failure of components like that, I think about
    heat.

    See if you can force feed it cool air with a fan.

    While I was in there I did some cleaning up (dust). Not practical to
    operate the computer while it is open.

    So - yesterday the 5 GHz quit again (after the computer "slept" for a
    while) and now it is working again.

    2.4 GHz doesn't work. Well, it will show as on, has an IP address, but
    won't actually move data.

    Not sure I want to spend much time on this either - the iMac will be 2nd stringer soon - hopefully this autumn.

    Don't "need" the WiFi, but nice to have everything working.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From David Ritz@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Jun 29 14:06:04 2023
    On Thursday, 29 June 2023 09:20 -0400,
    in article <KyfnM.3$8Ma1.1@fx37.iad>,
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    2.4 GHz doesn't work. Well, it will show as on, has an IP address,
    but won't actually move data.

    Is the IP address self-assigned, ie. within 169.254.0.0/16? These are
    not routable addresses.

    $ whois -h whois.iana.org 169.254.0.0/16
    % IANA WHOIS server
    % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org
    % This query returned 1 object

    inetnum: 169.254.0.0 - 169.254.255.255
    organisation: IANA
    status: assigned

    remarks: http://www.iana.org/go/rfc3927

    changed: 2005-05
    source: IANA

    --
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
    Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to David Ritz on Thu Jun 29 16:23:46 2023
    On 2023-06-29 15:06, David Ritz wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 June 2023 09:20 -0400,
    in article <KyfnM.3$8Ma1.1@fx37.iad>,
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    2.4 GHz doesn't work. Well, it will show as on, has an IP address,
    but won't actually move data.

    Is the IP address self-assigned, ie. within 169.254.0.0/16? These are
    not routable addresses.

    10.117.0.0 ( I believe that's /16 ).

    So 10.117.0.2 ... 10.117.255.254

    Manually set IP on the Mac WiFi as I try to get it going
    10.117.77.241

    Mask: 255.255.0.0

    As they've been for 10+ years.

    As I write this I'm on the 5 GHz band and it's holding well. (Will
    probably die again).

    Let's try 2.4 ...

    No joy ...

    But 5 GHz came back, there's that...


    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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