• 15.0 is out

    From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk on Mon Sep 20 19:47:45 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> asked
    So, when's iOS 16?

    ;)

    Given Apple uses a primitive all-or-nothing method of updating the operating system that _no other operating system uses_, it won't be long till 15.oh.shit.here.we.go.again (because Apple never tests iOS sufficiently).

    Meanwhile Google announced they'll be adding security updates to _all_ the billions of Android phones from Android 6 and up over Google Play Services.

    *Every single Android 6+ phone in the world gets these security updates*.

    That's because Android uses a modern operating system update method.
    Android security updates completely independently of the OEM & the carrier.

    If you don't understand how _primitive_ iOS updates are, allow me to explain
    1. Apple updates the _entire_ operating system for _every_ bugfix.
    (it's a delta for each phone - but it's _still_ the entire OS!)
    2. Google updates _just_ the one component that has the bugfix.
    (it's one file - and it's the same file - for all Android phones)

    The only reason Google can't autoupdate Android phones _older_ than about
    six years is that this modern security update method was added in Android 6.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Sep 20 20:06:10 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    yet another thing you do not understand.

    I own _plenty_ of both iOS devices Android devices where what I understand
    is that this question was about the _next_ update, which, for iOS, is yet another iOS 15.oh.shit.apple.forgot.to.test.the.code.yet.again.and.again.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>

    The iOS update mechanism is so _primitive_ that no other operating system is updated in the monolithically idiotic way that Apple updates the buggy iOS.

    ios 14.8 update was *tiny*, maybe 15 seconds to download, if that much.

    You think I don't own _many_ iOS devices nospam?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

    My iOS updates are often _huge_ on my iOS devices, nospam.
    Fantastically huge they often are but you always focus on the wrong things.

    The _size_ isn't what makes the iOS update mechanism so primitive nospam.

    What makes iOS primitive is that Apple can't just update individual security modules without fucking with the entire operating system, nospam.

    Meanwhile _every_ other modern operating system can do what iOS can't do.

    For example, Google is adding a security update to _every_ Android phone
    from Android 6 and above and, in fact, look at what the news says about
    how _primitive_ iOS security updates are by way of comparison to Android...

    https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2021/09/google-is-going-to-let-older-android.html
    "The new Android security features will be available to billions
    on Android versions 6 and upward, where hopefully Apple will follow
    the lead and launch a similarly modern security update system."

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net on Mon Sep 20 15:52:04 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <siaogq$ibu$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

    Given Apple uses a primitive all-or-nothing method of updating the operating system that _no other operating system uses_,

    yet another thing you do not understand.

    ios 14.8 update was *tiny*, maybe 15 seconds to download, if that much.




    Meanwhile Google announced they'll be

    disabling permissions for unused apps, which is causing a lot of people
    to become very annoyed.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Mon Sep 20 20:57:30 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    yet another thing you do not understand.

    I own _plenty_ of both iOS devices Android devices where what I understand
    is that this question was about the _next_ update, which, for iOS, is yet another iOS 15.oh.shit.apple.forgot.to.test.the.code.yet.again.and.again.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>

    The iOS update mechanism is so _primitive_ that no other operating system is updated in the monolithically idiotic way that Apple updates the buggy iOS.

    ios 14.8 update was *tiny*, maybe 15 seconds to download, if that much.

    You think I don't own _many_ iOS devices nospam?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

    My iOS updates are often _huge_ on my iOS devices, nospam.
    Fantastically huge they often are but you always focus on the wrong things.

    The _size_ isn't what makes the iOS update mechanism so primitive nospam.

    What makes iOS primitive is that Apple can't just update individual security modules without fucking with the entire operating system, nospam.

    Meanwhile _every_ other modern operating system can do what iOS can't do.

    For example, Google is adding a security update to _every_ Android phone
    from Android 6 and above and, in fact, look at what the news says about
    how _primitive_ iOS security updates are by way of comparison to Android...

    https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2021/09/google-is-going-to-let-older-android.html
    "The new Android security features will be available to billions
    on Android versions 6 and upward, where hopefully Apple will follow
    the lead and launch a similarly modern security update system."


    Haven’t you said before all your iOS devices are on the same operating
    system version with which they shipped? Why are you now saying all your iOS updates are huge?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net on Mon Sep 20 16:58:36 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <siapjb$11mc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:


    You think I don't own _many_ iOS devices

    owning something doesn't mean you know much about it.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Mon Sep 20 13:43:17 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-09-20 12:47 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
    "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> asked
    So, when's iOS 16?

    ;)

    Given Apple uses a primitive all-or-nothing method of updating the operating system that _no other operating system uses_,

    Well that's just a lie.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 21 02:55:01 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    You think I don't own _many_ iOS devices

    owning something doesn't mean you know much about it.

    And yet, every time you try to claim that iOS can do some of the simplest things that Android does day in and day out, I prove you wrong nospam.

    I went to the finest schools in this country, and I worked alongside the smartest people in Silicon Valley for decades, nospam, where it always
    amazes me how incredibly ignorant all you apologists always prove to be.

    I never met people as ignorant as you are, nospam, and what's worse, you're
    the _least_ ignorant of all the apologists (which, itself, is shocking).

    You don't even know the difference between the primitive update mechanism
    that iOS uses vs the modern update methods _all_ other consumer OS's use.
    --
    What iOS users don't even realize is how incredibly crippled they are.

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  • From Robin Goodfellow@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 21 03:00:49 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    And is v15 buggy? ;)

    no.

    It's revealing how incredibly confident you are in your utter ignorance.

    Given the sordid iOS 13 and iOS 14 bug-filled record, what evidence do you
    have nospam, that iOS 15 isn't as bug filled as the prior two versions were?

    iOS13: *Six Reasons Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy*
    <https://tidbits.com/2019/10/21/six-reasons-why-ios-13-and-catalina-are-so-buggy/>

    iOS14: *The worst release to date*
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-14-the-worst-release-to-date/>

    iOS15: *Tired of iOS 15 beta bugs?*
    Here's how to revert your iPhone back to iOS 14 before the final launch
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/tired-of-ios-15-beta-bugs-heres-how-to-revert-your-iphone-back-to-ios-14-before-the-final-launch/>

    Worse, there are so many zero-click zero-day holes in iOS they stopped accepting them long ago, nospam (all these facts you're ignorant of).
    *Stop sending us Apple bugs, we have enough already*
    <https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>

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  • From YK@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 21 16:57:13 2021
    On 9/20/21 3:52 PM, nospam wrote:
    In article <siaogq$ibu$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

    Given Apple uses a primitive all-or-nothing method of updating the operating >> system that _no other operating system uses_,

    yet another thing you do not understand.

    ios 14.8 update was *tiny*, maybe 15 seconds to download, if that much.




    Meanwhile Google announced they'll be

    disabling permissions for unused apps, which is causing a lot of people
    to become very annoyed.


    Arlen doesn't know that 15.0 is not a Macintosh update, but he posts
    where ever he wants.

    YK

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Robin Goodfellow on Tue Sep 21 16:02:44 2021
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2021-09-20 5:00 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
    And is v15 buggy? ;)

    no.

    It's revealing how incredibly confident you are in your utter ignorance.

    Given the sordid iOS 13 and iOS 14 bug-filled record, what evidence do you have nospam, that iOS 15 isn't as bug filled as the prior two versions were?

    iOS13: *Six Reasons Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy*
    <https://tidbits.com/2019/10/21/six-reasons-why-ios-13-and-catalina-are-so-buggy/>

    iOS14: *The worst release to date*
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-14-the-worst-release-to-date/>

    iOS15: *Tired of iOS 15 beta bugs?*
    Here's how to revert your iPhone back to iOS 14 before the final launch
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/tired-of-ios-15-beta-bugs-heres-how-to-revert-your-iphone-back-to-ios-14-before-the-final-launch/>

    Betas have bugs?

    Stop the presses!


    Worse, there are so many zero-click zero-day holes in iOS they stopped accepting them long ago, nospam (all these facts you're ignorant of).
    *Stop sending us Apple bugs, we have enough already*
    <https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>


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