Nobody lies like Apple lies...
The only iCloud data Apple can't routinely read are in the following areas:
Apple Card transactions
Home data
Health data
iCloud Keychain (saved accounts & passwords)
Maps Favorites, Collections, and search history
Memoji
Payment information
QuickType Keyboard learned vocabulary
Safari History and iCloud Tabs
Screen Time
Siri information (although temps in Ireland were listening)
Wi-Fi passwords
W1 and H1 Bluetooth keys for AirPods and Beats Headphones
Most of these weren't stored encrypted until later versions of iOS.
For example, Maps and Safari data are only encrypted in iOS 13+.
Does anyone notice conspicuously missing from that E2EE list above of what Apple doesn't have the key for, based on Apple's own documents, are:
iMessages (in your iCloud Backup)
iCloud Photo Library
The lack of security for iMessages is because the end-to-end encryption key for your Messages data is actually stored in your iCloud Backup. Only if you disable iCloud Backups is a new key automatically generated (which only then would make Messages in the Cloud more secure, but only if you leave iCloud Backups permanently off).
Your iCloud Backups and your iCloud Photo Library are merely 'encrypted at rest' which means that although they are stored on Apple's servers in a generic encrypted form, Apple has full and complete access to that generic encryption key which they can use for any purpose they want to use it for.
Apple never tells the truth, except when forced to, in a court of law.
On 2021-09-18 11:20 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
Your source for this claim?
'iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it's in transit,
storing it in iCloud in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication. For certain sensitive information, Apple uses end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and
only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
And the data that is Apple CAN decrypt they only do so for
1) Account recovery
2) a warrant
In message <si7rhc$d4q$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2021-09-18 11:20 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
[idiotic troll bullshit]
Your source for this claim?
Arlen has no sources for the shit she invents.
'iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it's in
transit,
Yep.
storing it in iCloud in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens
for authentication. For certain sensitive information, Apple uses
end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your
information, and only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No
one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted
information.'
And the data that is Apple CAN decrypt they only do so for
1) Account recovery
2) a warrant
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
no sources for the shit she invents.
'iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it's in transit, storing it in iCloud in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication. For certain sensitive information, Apple uses end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and
only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
In particular, from Apple's Legal Process Guidelines: <https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf>
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> asked
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Worse, check out Apple's privacy statements for the iCloud.
Apple can (and does) decrypt your personal data for _any_ reason.
*Apple's iMessage Is Secure... Unless You Have iCloud Enabled* <https://www.howtogeek.com/710509/apples-imessage-is-secure...-unless-you-have-icloud-enabled/>
"there's a big privacy hole in iMessage, and it's named iCloud"
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
In particular, from Apple's Legal Process Guidelines:
<https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf>
The facts show _everything_ I said was completely correct.
In fact, the facts prove Apple doesn't give a shit about privacy.
It's shocking apologists aren't aware privacy is NOT a concern of Apple! (Apple merely uses privacy as an advertising trick.)
*Whatever Apple Calls It, It's No Longer Secure Messaging* <https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life>
"When that same server has a channel for revealing information
about the contents of a significant portion of messages,
that's not end-to-end encryption."
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Regarding:
.../Nobody lies like Apple lies/... especially on encryption...
"Google offers full backup encryption that it can't access on its servers" í° <https://www.theverge.com/tech/2020/1/22/21076245/apple-icloud-backup-encryption-loophole-privacy-ads-fbi>
On 2021-09-21 11:44 a.m., Dipshit Arlen wrote:
Apple can (and does) decrypt your personal data for _any_ reason.
This would be where you should have included the quote from "Apple's
privacy statements for the iCloud" that support your claim...
On 2021-09-19 13:20, Alan Baker wrote:
'iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it's in transit,
storing it in iCloud in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for
authentication. For certain sensitive information, Apple uses end-to-end
encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and
only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No one else, not even
Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303>
Not debating your/Apple's claim. But in the San Bernadino Case, the
warrant did allow police access to the icloud data.
It is the stuff on the phone itself that they couldn't access.
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Apple can (and does) decrypt your personal data for _any_ reason.
This would be where you should have included the quote from "Apple's
privacy statements for the iCloud" that support your claim...
That does not have anything to do with dipshits lie that Apple actually decrypts user data "for any reason".
There was no iCloud data to be had, because the fucking clueless
jackasses at the FBI fucked up.
It is the stuff on the phone itself that they couldn't access.
And there was nothing on the phone to access anyway, as it turned out.
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Apple can decrypt the data in response to a lawful warrant.
Apple resists these as much as possible, and has gone to court
to fight warrants it thinks are unwarranted.
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court issued warrant).
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
Not the data that is end-to-end encrypted, which includes:
* Messages in iCloud
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
Not the data that is end-to-end encrypted, which includes:
* Messages in iCloud
With iCloud Backup enabled, your iCloud messages are encrypted,
then backed up to iCloud and stored on Apple's servers.
However, Apple receives a copy of the key that is used to encrypt
that backup.
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually deficient,
it seems.
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Isn't there an implication here that while the data may be encrypted,
Apple has the means to decrypt it when it really wants to? (aka: court
issued warrant).
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
In article <slrnskpb1u.13up.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
Arlen (under his slew of nyms), sms,
JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
all follow that playbook like a religion.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
Not the data that is end-to-end encrypted, which includes:
* Messages in iCloud
*Nobody lies, like Apple lies.*
It's revealing how apologists _always_ fall for Apple's clever wording.
It doesn't matter to apologists what Apple _actually_ says or does.
It only matters to apologists what Apple _wanted_ you to interpret it as.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/710509/apples-imessage-is-secure...-unless-you-have-icloud-enabled/>
*Your iCloud iMessage backups are _NOT_ end-to-end encrypted.*
With iCloud Backup enabled, your iCloud messages are encrypted,
then backed up to iCloud and stored on Apple's servers.
However, Apple receives a copy of the key that is used to encrypt
that backup.
In other words Apple and its employees can always access the contents
of your iMessage backups on Apple's servers any time they wish to.
For any reason they feel they have a need to access your data.
*Your iCloud iMessage backups are _NOT_ end-to-end encrypted.*
This also means that Apple could turn over the contents of your
iMessage history to anyone Apple wishes to give them to.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
Arlen (under his slew of nyms), sms,
yes
JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
no.
Yes. He spent YEARS repeatedly lying about Apple Pay in Canada. Years
and Years.
In article <ir3ruoFpp6bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
Arlen (under his slew of nyms), sms,
yes
JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
no.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually deficient,
it seems.
sms, JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
all follow that playbook like a religion.
jf isn't intentionally lying. he says what he does out of ignorance.
most of what sms says is intentional deception and outright lies, just
like trump, which he's been doing for *years* and in many different newsgroups.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
iCloud Backups are *optional* and *opt-in*, and when you *don't* backup
to iCloud, Messages in iCloud are encrypted with a key Apple
does *not* have.
In article <slrnskpms8.1gqu.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and
maybe people will believe it.
Arlen (under his slew of nyms), sms,
yes
JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
no.
Yes. He spent YEARS repeatedly lying about Apple Pay in Canada. Years
and Years.
jf isn't intentionally lying
most of what sms says is intentional deception and outright lies
In article <ir3ruoFpp6bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
In article <sigopd$dp7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
That is correct. Look what happened in China:
that's not what happened in china.
sms is incapable of posting anything without being factually
deficient, it seems.
he follows the trump playbook. repeat lies often enough and maybe
people will believe it.
Arlen (under his slew of nyms), sms,
yes
JF Mezei, and horriblegolferdude
no.
all follow that playbook like a religion.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
iCloud Backups are *optional* and *opt-in*, and when you *don't* backup
to iCloud, Messages in iCloud are encrypted with a key Apple
does *not* have.
the instant you choose to back up your messages, you lose the benefits
of end to end encryption on iCloud backups.
repeatedly lying about everything Apple in order to
cast them in as negative a light as possible.
Not if you back them up to a computer instead, which is easily done and
free of charge. Nobody forces you to backup to iCloud. iCloud backups
are completely *option* and *opt-in*. Meanwhile, Message in iCloud
remains end-to-end encrypted.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
repeatedly lying about everything Apple in order to
cast them in as negative a light as possible.
I find it revealing Jolly Roger calls what amounts to well known facts about Apple as "trying to cast Apple in as negative a light as possible".
Why is it that the mere facts themselves are what you _hate_ about Apple?
Apple paid over a billion dollars in criminal fines & legal settlements with 30 attorneys general just last year alone for Apple's many very public lies.
"Apple discovered that battery issues were leading to unexpected shutdowns
in iPhones. Rather than disclosing these issues or replacing batteries,
however, Apple concealed the issues from consumers.
Apple's concealment ultimately led to a software update in December 2016
that reduced iPhone performance... Apple's concealment of the battery
issues and decision to throttle the performance of consumers' iPhones
*led to Apple profiting from selling additional iPhones to consumers*
whose phone performance Apple had slowed.
Apple customers were left with only one option-the most expensive one. https://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/news/2020/11/25/pr20-53.html
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