i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why


thanks

ed

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On Aug 10, 2022 at 8:14:24 PM PDT, "Edna Hosner" <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

thanks

ed

I moved from Thoth to Usenapp. Reason, it was a reasonable replacement.

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Am 11.08.22 um 05:14 schrieb Edna Hosner:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

:-)

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/


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In article <td26gu$kakk$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

hah no. it does not stick to standards and rfcs nor do the authors
bother fixing bugs.

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Am 11.08.22 um 08:48 schrieb nospam:

In article <td26gu$kakk$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

hah no. it does not stick to standards and rfcs nor do the authors
bother fixing bugs.

User-Agent: Thoth/1.9.0 (Mac OS X)?
*ROTFLSTC*

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Am 11.08.22 um 08:48 schrieb nospam:

In article <td26gu$kakk$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

hah no. it does not stick to standards and rfcs nor do the authors
bother fixing bugs.

This is by far the most powerful E-Mail- and Usenet-Client on this
planet. It works on Windows, macOS and Linux. Profiles are fully
compatible.

Apple Mail is crap: Thunderbird is the solution. Apple calendar is OK
but most is done on TB. Thanks to CardDAV and CalDAV-capabilities it is
easy to connect it with the iCloud.

TB is the only client of multi profile-capabilities for all platforms.

Thunderbird and Firefox together can replace the partially really second
rate Apple software.

For most users TB and FF cover the majority of their needs.

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On 11 Aug 2022 at 05:14:24 CEST, "Edna Hosner" <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

thanks

ed

Usenapp, best on Mac at the moment. You won't regret it.

https://www.usenapp.com/

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Have fun!

September 15, 1996

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> writes:

Am 11.08.22 um 08:48 schrieb nospam:

In article <td26gu$kakk$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

hah no. it does not stick to standards and rfcs nor do the authors
bother fixing bugs.

This is by far the most powerful E-Mail- and Usenet-Client on this
planet. It works on Windows, macOS and Linux. Profiles are fully
compatible.

Apple Mail is crap: Thunderbird is the solution. Apple calendar is OK
but most is done on TB. Thanks to CardDAV and CalDAV-capabilities it is
easy to connect it with the iCloud.

Apple's Mail.app is useful for some things. I use it for my work
e-mail. I use Thunderbird for my personal e-mail and started using it
after Eudora was no longer working well for me. (I also used mutt for
e-mail and still use it from time to time.)

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other newsreaders that are much better.

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Edna Hosner <edna@invalid.invalid> writes:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Gnus. It has a ton of features, excellent filtering, and it's available
for most any OS you can think of. (Monterey on Apple Silicon here, but
I also run it on Linux on x86-64 and ARM.)

I've used a whole bunch of newsreaders over the year, and gnus is the
best I've tried. With other newsreaders I always got to a point where I
wanted a feature and found they couldn't do what I want. With gnus,
every time I think of a feature it's in there. :-)

My second choice would be slrn. I used it for a number of years before switching to gnus.

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Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other newsreaders that are much better.

The user badgolferman produces the statitics for misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Here the distribution of the news readers. Certainly that is not
representative for the Usenet as whole but it won't differ much:

Top Newsreaders

Ranking Articles Newsreader Users
------- -------- -------------------------------------------- -----
1 238 Mozilla 22
2 85 Thoth 1
3 50 slrn 3
4 17 NewsTap 4
5 12 Usenapp 1
6 12 <unknown> 5
7 9 Hogwasher 2
8 7 Opera Mail 2
9 7 Forte Agent 1
10 5 Xnews 3
11 4 Unison 2
12 3 XanaNews 1
13 3 Usenapp for MacOS 1
14 2 Microsoft Outlook Express 1
15 2 Turnpike 1
16 1 WinVN 1
17 1 None 1
18 1 tin 1

There are good reasons for this picture.

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Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other newsreaders that are much better.

Will you have the grace to tell us which one in your opinion?
There is a reasons why TB has a market share of more than 50% as Usenet
client.


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In article <tdb0fm$po2f$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

There is a reasons why TB has a market share of more than 50% as Usenet client.

that doesn't mean it's any good.

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Am 14.08.22 um 18:05 schrieb nospam:

In article <tdb0fm$po2f$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

There is a reasons why TB has a market share of more than 50% as Usenet
client.

that doesn't mean it's any good.

it is; "believe me"

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On Aug 10, 2022 at 8:14:24 PM PDT, "Edna Hosner" <edna@invalid.invalid> wrote:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

thanks

ed

FWIW, I still have Thoth on an older MacBook running Catalina but switched to Usenapp once I migrated my primary MaBook Pro to Monterey, and then to a new MacBook M1 Pro.
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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> writes:

Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other
newsreaders that are much better.

The user badgolferman produces the statitics for misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Here the distribution of the news readers. Certainly that is not representative for the Usenet as whole but it won't differ much:

Top Newsreaders

Ranking Articles Newsreader Users ------- -------- -------------------------------------------- -----
1 238 Mozilla 22
2 85 Thoth 1
3 50 slrn 3
4 17 NewsTap 4
5 12 Usenapp 1
6 12 <unknown> 5
7 9 Hogwasher 2
8 7 Opera Mail 2
9 7 Forte Agent 1
10 5 Xnews 3
11 4 Unison 2
12 3 XanaNews 1
13 3 Usenapp for MacOS 1
14 2 Microsoft Outlook Express 1
15 2 Turnpike 1
16 1 WinVN 1
17 1 None 1
18 1 tin 1

There are good reasons for this picture.

Because most people don't know any better? :-)

Thunderbird was a barely adequate newsreader when it was part of
Netscape Communicator. It hasn't really improved much for news since
then.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> writes:

Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other
newsreaders that are much better.

Will you have the grace to tell us which one in your opinion?
There is a reasons why TB has a market share of more than 50% as Usenet client.

A lot of people eat at McDonalds, but that doesn't mean it's good.

You could have just checked my headers to see that I prefer gnus. :-)

I think slrn is also pretty decent.

I see that Claws Mail and Sylpheed are available through Homebrew. I've
talked to people who like both of those for news. I don't have any
experience with them personally though.

Pan claims to run on Mac OS X. That might mean it ran on some long-ago
version, or it might just mean they haven't heard it's now macOS (or
they might not have updated their web site recently). I don't see it
listed as available in Homebrew though, and compiling it with all its dependencies might be a PITA on the Mac.

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Am 15.08.22 um 08:41 schrieb Your Name:

On 2022-08-14 22:43:22 +0000, Bud Frede said:

Because most people don't know any better? :-)

As proven by the fact that Windoze became and is still so widely used. :-)

Wrong: Mozilla Thunderbird is available for Windows, Mac and Linux and
this is one of the major reasons why I use Thunderbird. I use it on Mac
and Linux. I'll touch Windows only when I get paid for it very well.

Thunderbird was a barely adequate newsreader when it was part of
Netscape Communicator. It hasn't really improved much for news since
then.

Thunderbird was a barely adequate at anything last time I bothered to
look at it. It was absolutely *awful* - that was quite a few years ago,
and it could (hopefully) only really get better.

How so often you miss the point completely. Apple Mail is such a kindergarten-crap everything else is better and more useful.


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On 2022-08-14 22:43:22 +0000, Bud Frede said:

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> writes:

Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other >>> newsreaders that are much better.

The user badgolferman produces the statitics for misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Here the distribution of the news readers. Certainly that is not
representative for the Usenet as whole but it won't differ much:

Top Newsreaders

Ranking Articles Newsreader Users
------- -------- -------------------------------------------- -----
1 238 Mozilla 22
2 85 Thoth 1
3 50 slrn 3
4 17 NewsTap 4
5 12 Usenapp 1
6 12 <unknown> 5
7 9 Hogwasher 2
8 7 Opera Mail 2
9 7 Forte Agent 1
10 5 Xnews 3
11 4 Unison 2
12 3 XanaNews 1
13 3 Usenapp for MacOS 1
14 2 Microsoft Outlook Express 1
15 2 Turnpike 1
16 1 WinVN 1
17 1 None 1
18 1 tin 1

There are good reasons for this picture.

Because most people don't know any better? :-)

As proven by the fact that Windoze became and is still so widely used. :-)

Thunderbird was a barely adequate newsreader when it was part of
Netscape Communicator. It hasn't really improved much for news since
then.

Thunderbird was a barely adequate at anything last time I bothered to
look at it. It was absolutely *awful* - that was quite a few years ago,
and it could (hopefully) only really get better.

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In article <tdcpps$1fv2$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thunderbird was a barely adequate at anything last time I bothered to
look at it. It was absolutely *awful* - that was quite a few years ago,
and it could (hopefully) only really get better.

it didn't.

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On Aug 14, 2022 at 7:33:38 AM PDT, "Joerg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

Am 14.08.22 um 13:23 schrieb Bud Frede:

Thunderbird is, unfortunately, not really very good as a Usenet
client. It's kind of the bare minimum for that task, but there are other
newsreaders that are much better.

The user badgolferman produces the statitics for misc.phone.mobile.iphone

Here the distribution of the news readers. Certainly that is not representative for the Usenet as whole but it won't differ much:

Top Newsreaders

Ranking Articles Newsreader Users ------- -------- -------------------------------------------- -----
1 238 Mozilla 22
2 85 Thoth 1
3 50 slrn 3
4 17 NewsTap 4
5 12 Usenapp 1
6 12 <unknown> 5
7 9 Hogwasher 2
8 7 Opera Mail 2
9 7 Forte Agent 1
10 5 Xnews 3
11 4 Unison 2
12 3 XanaNews 1
13 3 Usenapp for MacOS 1
14 2 Microsoft Outlook Express 1
15 2 Turnpike 1
16 1 WinVN 1
17 1 None 1
18 1 tin 1

There are good reasons for this picture.

Interesting. One should note that these represent people who posts messages, not those who simply read them.

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On 10/2/2022 9:45 PM, John wrote:

On 8/10/2022 11:10 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 11.08.22 um 05:14 schrieb Edna Hosner:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

:-)

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug.  You cannot load a
list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it.
Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

So in effect news is totally non op on it. A pretty major and
embarrassing bug. And yes I checked there is a bug report on it.

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On 8/10/2022 11:10 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 11.08.22 um 05:14 schrieb Edna Hosner:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

:-)

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug. You cannot load a
list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it.
Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

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Am 03.10.22 um 06:45 schrieb John:

On 8/10/2022 11:10 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 11.08.22 um 05:14 schrieb Edna Hosner:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

:-)

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug. You cannot load a
list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it.
Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

Works perfectly on 102.3.1 (64-Bit). It would have never been released
if that would not work.

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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On 10/2/2022 10:44 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 06:45 schrieb John:

On 8/10/2022 11:10 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 11.08.22 um 05:14 schrieb Edna Hosner:

i'll be getting a new iMac in the next few months

:-)

i've been using thoth for years

? what newreader do you recommend and why

Mozilla Thunderbird. Usenet and mail. Very well maintained. Open Source
and sticks to all standards and RFCs.

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug. You cannot load a
list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it.
Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

Works perfectly on 102.3.1 (64-Bit). It would have never been released
if that would not work.

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade. Do A clean install of either the Mac or PC version and then download a list of
newsgroups does not work. It just stalls. It is a known issue.

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Am 03.10.22 um 20:16 schrieb John:

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade. Do A clean install of either the Mac or PC version and then download a list of newsgroups does not work. It just stalls. It is a known issue.

You are an anonymous Troll lacking any credibility:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.13.1

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Am 03.10.22 um 20:16 schrieb John:

On 10/2/2022 10:44 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 06:45 schrieb John:

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug. You cannot load a
list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it.
Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

Works perfectly on 102.3.1 (64-Bit). It would have never been released
if that would not work.

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade.

Wrong. I updated the list this morning and added two new groups on 102.
I do not know what is behind the bug reports. I never saw complaints or anything in this direction in German or English speaking Mozilla or TB
groups.

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On 03 Oct 2022 at 22:19:55 BST, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

On 10/3/2022 1:45 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 20:16 schrieb John:

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were
downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade. Do A clean >>> install of either the Mac or PC version and then download a list of
newsgroups does not work. It just stalls. It is a known issue.

You are an anonymous Troll lacking any credibility:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.13.1

No trolling at all. 102 would not work on this PC. So I installed 91 because it is needed to download newsgroups. I investigated the problem throughly and found a bug reports and discussion on it confirming it.
Try a clean install of 102 on either a Mac or PC that did not have Thunderbird previously and you will be easily able to duplicate it.

You tried Usenapp ?

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On 10/3/2022 1:45 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 20:16 schrieb John:

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were
downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade. Do A clean
install of either the Mac or PC version and then download a list of
newsgroups does not work. It just stalls. It is a known issue.

You are an anonymous Troll lacking any credibility:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.13.1

No trolling at all. 102 would not work on this PC. So I installed 91
because it is needed to download newsgroups. I investigated the problem throughly and found a bug reports and discussion on it confirming it.
Try a clean install of 102 on either a Mac or PC that did not have
Thunderbird previously and you will be easily able to duplicate it.

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On 10/3/2022 1:41 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 20:16 schrieb John:

On 10/2/2022 10:44 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 03.10.22 um 06:45 schrieb John:

The current version of Thunderbird has a major bug. You cannot load a >>>> list of newsgroups from the server on either Mac or PC versions of it. >>>> Must go back to version 91 in order to do it.

Works perfectly on 102.3.1 (64-Bit). It would have never been released
if that would not work.

Then why is there a bug report. 102.3 will work if the newsgroups were
downloaded previously on version 91 before the 102 upgrade.

Wrong. I updated the list this morning and added two new groups on 102.
I do not know what is behind the bug reports. I never saw complaints or anything in this direction in German or English speaking Mozilla or TB groups.

You updated a list that was previously downloaded on 91. Just as I told
you it worked. Now try downloading a new list on a clean install. It
does not work. All you get is a stall.

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