• Re: Mac Studio refuses to recognize any SSD it wasn't configured with

    From Stephen Carrolll - frelwizzer@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Thu Mar 24 02:55:23 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:44:59 AM UTC-7, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/23/ifixit-teardown-shows-that-mac-studios-internal-storage-is-replaceable-but-not-upgradable/
    Mac Studio is designed to refuse any SSD size it wasn't configured with

    Mac Studio doesn't recognize different combinations of SSD than the one it was shipped with from the factory. The machine doesn't recognize any other configuration. Even when using a single SSD with a different capacity than the original, Mac Studio refuses to recognize it.

    However, there's one thing that does work, and that is to replace the internal SSD with another of the same capacity. In only this restricted
    case, the Apple Configurator app will let you install macOS on that SSD.


    The one thing Michael Glasser Snit learned fully is to try to guilt -hh
    into false confession and if that fails to work, flood the thread or subtly change the assertion. Why does Michael Glasser Snit focus on his own self- esteem issues so much?

    I didn't even know Michael Glasser Snit already had a history of not
    only faking so called proof, but also having already been caught blatently doing it and trying to pass it off as the real McCoy. -hh has gone the
    extra mile, essentially hand holding Michael Glasser Snit on coding practices only for Michael Glasser Snit to blindly attack him and continue to show
    that he has no real interest in the subject. In all reality, it's too
    hard for snit.


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  • From NewsKrawler@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 24 09:44:51 2022
    https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/23/ifixit-teardown-shows-that-mac-studios-internal-storage-is-replaceable-but-not-upgradable/
    Mac Studio is designed to refuse any SSD size it wasn't configured with

    Mac Studio doesn't recognize different combinations of SSD than the one it
    was shipped with from the factory. The machine doesn't recognize any other configuration. Even when using a single SSD with a different capacity than
    the original, Mac Studio refuses to recognize it.

    However, there's one thing that does work, and that is to replace the
    internal SSD with another of the same capacity. In only this restricted
    case, the Apple Configurator app will let you install macOS on that SSD.

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  • From Jerry Bishop@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Mar 24 08:58:20 2022
    On 2022-03-24 14:46:30 +0000, Alan Browne said:

    On 2022-03-24 05:44, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/23/ifixit-teardown-shows-that-mac-studios-internal-storage-is-replaceable-but-not-upgradable/

    Mac Studio is designed to refuse any SSD size it wasn't configured with

    Mac Studio doesn't recognize different combinations of SSD than the one it >> was shipped with from the factory. The machine doesn't recognize any other >> configuration. Even when using a single SSD with a different capacity than >> the original, Mac Studio refuses to recognize it.

    However, there's one thing that does work, and that is to replace the
    internal SSD with another of the same capacity. In only this restricted
    case, the Apple Configurator app will let you install macOS on that SSD.


    Somebody out there may find the secret to replacing with a larger SSD.
    I hope so, in any case. By the time I order one would be best: I'd
    order the lowest SSD size and upgrade in due course if I have a
    guaranteed path to do so.

    Unless they come out with the iMac that I'd want: iMac M1 Max.

    Accountant just e-mailed me with good news too ...

    See https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/explaining-the-mac-studios-removable-ssds-and-why-you-cant-just-swap-them-out/


    From the article:
    -------
    PC SSDs like Samsung's 980 Pro or Western Digital's WD Blue SN570 all
    include the controller and the NAND, which is what makes them easy to
    replace. Each SSD is a self-contained device, usable in any PC that has
    a physical SATA port or M.2 slot and that supports the SATA/NVMe
    storage specs.
    Apple's SSDs used to work this way, but starting with the Apple T2 chip
    and continuing into the Apple Silicon era, Apple began building storage controllers directly into its own chips instead. This means that the
    Mac Studio's SSD cards, while removable instead of soldered down, are
    just NAND plus what Martin calls a "raw NAND controller/bridge." They
    aren't self-contained SSDs that can be swapped in and out at will, as
    they can on a PC. They are NAND chips that are read from and written to
    by the T2 or M1's built-in controller.
    -------
    So the SSDs in the Studio arent actually SSDs, they are NAND chips on
    removable boards. AND when you swap them, you need to reset the
    encryption key to match them up to the T2 chip and make them work (also explained in this article).
    -- Jerry

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Thu Mar 24 10:46:30 2022
    On 2022-03-24 05:44, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/23/ifixit-teardown-shows-that-mac-studios-internal-storage-is-replaceable-but-not-upgradable/
    Mac Studio is designed to refuse any SSD size it wasn't configured with

    Mac Studio doesn't recognize different combinations of SSD than the one it was shipped with from the factory. The machine doesn't recognize any other configuration. Even when using a single SSD with a different capacity than the original, Mac Studio refuses to recognize it.

    However, there's one thing that does work, and that is to replace the internal SSD with another of the same capacity. In only this restricted
    case, the Apple Configurator app will let you install macOS on that SSD.


    Somebody out there may find the secret to replacing with a larger SSD.
    I hope so, in any case. By the time I order one would be best: I'd
    order the lowest SSD size and upgrade in due course if I have a
    guaranteed path to do so.

    Unless they come out with the iMac that I'd want: iMac M1 Max.

    Accountant just e-mailed me with good news too ...

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jerry Bishop on Thu Mar 24 11:10:15 2022
    On 2022-03-24 10:58, Jerry Bishop wrote:

    See https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/explaining-the-mac-studios-removable-ssds-and-why-you-cant-just-swap-them-out/


    From the article:
    -------
    PC SSDs like Samsung's 980 Pro or Western Digital's WD Blue SN570 all include the controller and the NAND, which is what makes them easy to replace. Each SSD is a self-contained device, usable in any PC that has
    a physical SATA port or M.2 slot and that supports the SATA/NVMe storage specs.
    Apple's SSDs used to work this way, but starting with the Apple T2 chip
    and continuing into the Apple Silicon era, Apple began building storage controllers directly into its own chips instead. This means that the Mac Studio's SSD cards, while removable instead of soldered down, are
    just NAND plus what Martin calls a "raw NAND controller/bridge." They
    aren't self-contained SSDs that can be swapped in and out at will, as
    they can on a PC. They are NAND chips that are read from and written to
    by the T2 or M1's built-in controller.
    -------
    So the SSDs in the Studio arent actually SSDs, they are NAND chips on removable boards. AND when you swap them, you need to reset the
    encryption key to match them up to the T2 chip and make them work (also explained in this article).
    -- Jerry

    Thanks. Also puts a damper on my "this will be hacked" hopes.

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Mar 26 01:49:14 2022
    In message <rR%_J.238446$Tr18.217659@fx42.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Thanks. Also puts a damper on my "this will be hacked" hopes.

    Actually, this is good news, since the "SSD" is really just AND, it is definitely possible, if not probable that someone like OWC will be able to
    sell replacement NANDs. The drawback is that replacing or expanding the
    SSD will require a full DFU system reset


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    (Watchmen)

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  • From Lewis@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sat Mar 26 04:49:41 2022
    In message <slrnt3ss8q.1ir7.g.kreme@zephyrus.local> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <rR%_J.238446$Tr18.217659@fx42.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Thanks. Also puts a damper on my "this will be hacked" hopes.

    Actually, this is good news, since the "SSD" is really just AND, it is definitely possible, if not probable that someone like OWC will be able to sell replacement NANDs. The drawback is that replacing or expanding the
    SSD will require a full DFU system reset

    One note I meant to add:

    Superfast NAND modules that fit the Apple Studio will NOT be cheap, but
    it i possible they will offer an upgrade path that Apple will not. It is
    even possible (not probable, I wouldn't think, but possible) that they
    could support larger NAND modules than currently exist.


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    Palpatine was on to something"

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Lewis on Sat Mar 26 09:02:44 2022
    On 2022-03-25 21:49, Lewis wrote:
    In message <rR%_J.238446$Tr18.217659@fx42.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    Thanks. Also puts a damper on my "this will be hacked" hopes.

    Actually, this is good news, since the "SSD" is really just AND, it is definitely possible, if not probable that someone like OWC will be able to sell replacement NANDs. The drawback is that replacing or expanding the
    SSD will require a full DFU system reset

    Not so bad a compromise. I would likely go 5 years or so before needing
    such an upgrade (if at all).

    --
    Beginning in the 1970's, all birds in North America were replaced by
    drones made to look and act like birds. By 2004, no real birds are to
    be found. They are all drones. They all belong to the government.
    They spy on everyone. All of the time. Birds are not real.

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