• 80s' Macs Emulators To Play Old 80s Mac Games

    From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jan 13 16:09:18 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.vintage, comp.sys.mac.games.misc

    Thanks guys. So far, I am currently trying Mini vMac in my old, updated
    64-bit W7 HPE SP1 desktop PC. I got the old Mac ROMs from https://www.macintoshrepository.org/7038-all-macintosh-roms-68k-ppc- web
    page. I extracted its 128K's 1986-03 - 4D1F8172 - MacPlus v3.ROM file
    and renamed it to vMac.ROM. I ran Mini vMac.exe and it booted up. I
    heard its beep and saw its floppy disk icon with its "?". From what I
    read, this is OK. At least it finds an old Mac ROM.

    I ran into a new issue according from https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/mini_vmac_setup and http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/start.html web pages' instructions. I downloaded and installed the decade old http://www.emaculation.com/minivmac/StuffItStandard9.zip successfully.
    However, running its installed program crashed due to Visual C++ runtime
    error as shown in my uploaded https://image.prntscr.com/image/1F4eXCK0RwCk6aPOmWNyMw.png screen
    shot/capture. I can't use the newer StuffIt Expander for Windows version (http://my.smithmicro.com/stuffit-expander-windows.html) since it
    doesn't support *.sea.bin files (http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea.bin
    and http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea.bin).
    Argh. :(

    Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)


    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
    Hello.

    Do 80s' Mac emulators exist? I would love to try this 1986's Gemstone
    Warrior game that was ported for classic B&W Mac as shown in https://www.myabandonware.com/game/gemstone-warrior-3ki ... It even has
    the game in SIT format. I am trying http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/start.html, but it requires a Mac ROM.
    Does anyone know where to get it?

    Thank you in advance. :)

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Jan 14 14:39:03 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.games.misc, comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2018-01-13 22:09:18 +0000, Ant said:

    Thanks guys. So far, I am currently trying Mini vMac in my old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 desktop PC. I got the old Mac ROMs from https://www.macintoshrepository.org/7038-all-macintosh-roms-68k-ppc- web page. I extracted its 128K's 1986-03 - 4D1F8172 - MacPlus v3.ROM file
    and renamed it to vMac.ROM. I ran Mini vMac.exe and it booted up. I
    heard its beep and saw its floppy disk icon with its "?". From what I
    read, this is OK. At least it finds an old Mac ROM.

    Yes. The flashing question mark disk icon means it can't find a disk to
    boot from.




    I ran into a new issue according from https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/mini_vmac_setup and http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/start.html web pages' instructions. I downloaded and installed the decade old http://www.emaculation.com/minivmac/StuffItStandard9.zip successfully. However, running its installed program crashed due to Visual C++ runtime error as shown in my uploaded https://image.prntscr.com/image/1F4eXCK0RwCk6aPOmWNyMw.png screen shot/capture. I can't use the newer StuffIt Expander for Windows version (http://my.smithmicro.com/stuffit-expander-windows.html) since it
    doesn't support *.sea.bin files (http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea.bin

    and http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea.bin).

    Argh. :(

    Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)

    NEVER EVER unarchive Mac application files on a Windoze PC, you'll ruin
    them because Windoze doesn't understand the separate data fork and
    resource fork used by Mac applications. That includes system installers
    and ".sea" self-extracting archives.


    Get the second download from the System 6 page at MacintoshGarden.org <http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/system-6-collection>
    It's a zip archive containing an System 6 boot disk - unzip that and
    use it with Mini vMac.

    Or, RedundantRobot.com has a System 7 hard drive image (30MB) for
    SheepShaver, but it should work with Mini vMac as well. <http://www.redundantrobot.com/sheepshaver_files/disk_images/MacStartupOS7.img>

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Jan 13 21:51:41 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.games.misc, comp.sys.mac.vintage

    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2018-01-13 22:09:18 +0000, Ant said:

    Thanks guys. So far, I am currently trying Mini vMac in my old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 desktop PC. I got the old Mac ROMs from https://www.macintoshrepository.org/7038-all-macintosh-roms-68k-ppc- web page. I extracted its 128K's 1986-03 - 4D1F8172 - MacPlus v3.ROM file
    and renamed it to vMac.ROM. I ran Mini vMac.exe and it booted up. I
    heard its beep and saw its floppy disk icon with its "?". From what I
    read, this is OK. At least it finds an old Mac ROM.

    Yes. The flashing question mark disk icon means it can't find a disk to
    boot from.

    That is what I thought.


    I ran into a new issue according from https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/mini_vmac_setup and http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/start.html web pages' instructions. I downloaded and installed the decade old http://www.emaculation.com/minivmac/StuffItStandard9.zip successfully. However, running its installed program crashed due to Visual C++ runtime error as shown in my uploaded https://image.prntscr.com/image/1F4eXCK0RwCk6aPOmWNyMw.png screen shot/capture. I can't use the newer StuffIt Expander for Windows version (http://my.smithmicro.com/stuffit-expander-windows.html) since it
    doesn't support *.sea.bin files (http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea.bin

    and http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_6.0.x/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea.bin).

    Argh. :(

    Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)

    NEVER EVER unarchive Mac application files on a Windoze PC, you'll ruin
    them because Windoze doesn't understand the separate data fork and
    resource fork used by Mac applications. That includes system installers
    and ".sea" self-extracting archives.

    OK.


    Get the second download from the System 6 page at MacintoshGarden.org <http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/system-6-collection>
    It's a zip archive containing an System 6 boot disk - unzip that and
    use it with Mini vMac.

    It worked.

    Or, RedundantRobot.com has a System 7 hard drive image (30MB) for SheepShaver, but it should work with Mini vMac as well. <http://www.redundantrobot.com/sheepshaver_files/disk_images/MacStartupOS7.img>

    I wasn't not sure if this very old game ran in classic Mac OS 7. V6 worked nicely (fast
    haha). I also tried v7, but it kept giving me "?". I guess its ROM doesn't support it, but
    whatever.

    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk without System 6. Huh? I
    thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very
    old classic Mac back then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Jan 14 19:31:24 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.games.misc, comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2018-01-14 03:51:41 +0000, Ant said:
    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    Get the second download from the System 6 page at MacintoshGarden.org
    <http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/system-6-collection>
    It's a zip archive containing an System 6 boot disk - unzip that and
    use it with Mini vMac.

    It worked.

    You should be able to use that to create a bootable hard drive image
    file if you want, or just use a pile of disk images alongside that
    System one. A hard drive image file is probably better since some
    software will need to be installed on teh boot drive, and teh System 6
    disk image probably hasn't got much free space.



    <snip>
    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk
    without System 6. Huh? I thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the
    game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very old classic Mac back
    then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

    If the disk boots, then it must have a System Folder on it, even if
    it's a cut-down one just to run the game - it may not have a Finder,
    but is set to run the game instead after booting.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jan 15 20:00:11 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.games.misc, comp.sys.mac.vintage

    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk
    without System 6. Huh? I thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the
    game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very old classic Mac back
    then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

    If the disk boots, then it must have a System Folder on it, even if
    it's a cut-down one just to run the game - it may not have a Finder,
    but is set to run the game instead after booting.

    Yes, it is a very simple OS. It did come with its Calculator, Note Pad,
    Key Caps, control panel, etc. I tried to read the game's "Read Me
    First!" document, but it couldn't find an application. I guess Note Pad
    can't do it. :P

    I had fun replaying this game that I used to play a lot on my Apple //c.
    It was rad(ical) to see a Mac port since I never knew it existed. I
    couldn't find any video recordings online, so I made my own: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTODPVxHAd9G_fnRSaHanW4sfCicIzwr
    ... ;)
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jan 16 19:15:51 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.vintage, comp.sys.mac.games.misc

    On 2018-01-16 02:00:11 +0000, Ant said:
    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk
    without System 6. Huh? I thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the
    game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very old classic Mac back
    then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

    If the disk boots, then it must have a System Folder on it, even if
    it's a cut-down one just to run the game - it may not have a Finder,
    but is set to run the game instead after booting.

    Yes, it is a very simple OS. It did come with its Calculator, Note Pad,
    Key Caps, control panel, etc. I tried to read the game's "Read Me
    First!" document, but it couldn't find an application. I guess Note Pad
    can't do it. :P

    I had fun replaying this game that I used to play a lot on my Apple //c.
    It was rad(ical) to see a Mac port since I never knew it existed. I
    couldn't find any video recordings online, so I made my own: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTODPVxHAd9G_fnRSaHanW4sfCicIzwr
    ... ;)

    According to MacintoshGarden.org, the game is b y Strategic Simulations
    Inc. I never heard of that, but years ago we used to play a lot of
    SSI's Dungeons & Dragons role-playing games on the Commodore 64 and
    Amiga at home, and a few on the Apple II at school.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Your Name on Tue Jan 16 20:55:08 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.vintage, comp.sys.mac.games.misc

    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2018-01-16 02:00:11 +0000, Ant said:
    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk
    without System 6. Huh? I thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the
    game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very old classic Mac back
    then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

    If the disk boots, then it must have a System Folder on it, even if
    it's a cut-down one just to run the game - it may not have a Finder,
    but is set to run the game instead after booting.

    Yes, it is a very simple OS. It did come with its Calculator, Note Pad,
    Key Caps, control panel, etc. I tried to read the game's "Read Me
    First!" document, but it couldn't find an application. I guess Note Pad can't do it. :P

    I had fun replaying this game that I used to play a lot on my Apple //c.
    It was rad(ical) to see a Mac port since I never knew it existed. I couldn't find any video recordings online, so I made my own: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTODPVxHAd9G_fnRSaHanW4sfCicIzwr ... ;)

    According to MacintoshGarden.org, the game is b y Strategic Simulations
    Inc. I never heard of that, but years ago we used to play a lot of
    SSI's Dungeons & Dragons role-playing games on the Commodore 64 and
    Amiga at home, and a few on the Apple II at school.

    Which games did you play? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strategic_Simulations_games' list,
    I played Eye of Beholder games briefly on my IBM PCs after Apple 2's
    Gemstone Warrior. Gemstone Warrior is like a primitive version of
    Diablo, Gauntlet, and other games. Its control sucks and has bugs too.
    Hence, why I am a fan of that genre. I also found there is a PC-88 port
    too, but having problems with its shoot keys in M88 emulator. Argh.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Jan 17 18:42:00 2018
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.games.misc, comp.sys.mac.vintage

    On 2018-01-17 02:55:08 +0000, Ant said:
    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2018-01-16 02:00:11 +0000, Ant said:
    In comp.sys.mac.games.action Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    HOWEVER, I just found out that I could boot Gemstone Warrior.dsk
    without System 6. Huh? I thought classic Mac needed an OS to boot the >>>>> game. I guess not! I didn't use a lot of very old classic Mac back
    then. I did use a lot of Apple 2s though.

    If the disk boots, then it must have a System Folder on it, even if
    it's a cut-down one just to run the game - it may not have a Finder,
    but is set to run the game instead after booting.

    Yes, it is a very simple OS. It did come with its Calculator, Note Pad,
    Key Caps, control panel, etc. I tried to read the game's "Read Me
    First!" document, but it couldn't find an application. I guess Note Pad
    can't do it. :P

    I had fun replaying this game that I used to play a lot on my Apple //c. >>> It was rad(ical) to see a Mac port since I never knew it existed. I
    couldn't find any video recordings online, so I made my own:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTODPVxHAd9G_fnRSaHanW4sfCicIzwr >>> ... ;)

    According to MacintoshGarden.org, the game is b y Strategic Simulations
    Inc. I never heard of that, but years ago we used to play a lot of
    SSI's Dungeons & Dragons role-playing games on the Commodore 64 and
    Amiga at home, and a few on the Apple II at school.

    Which games did you play? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strategic_Simulations_games' list,

    That link doesn't work (because of the ' on the end). This one does: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Strategic_Simulations_games>



    I played Eye of Beholder games briefly on my IBM PCs after Apple 2's
    Gemstone Warrior. Gemstone Warrior is like a primitive version of
    Diablo, Gauntlet, and other games. Its control sucks and has bugs too.
    Hence, why I am a fan of that genre. I also found there is a PC-88 port
    too, but having problems with its shoot keys in M88 emulator. Argh.

    The games we played were mainly the Dungeons & Dragons ones - a quick
    flick through that list I recognise these names:
    - Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
    - Champions of Krynn
    - Curse of the Azure Bonds
    - The Dark Queen of Krynn
    - Death Knights of Krynn
    - Eye of the Beholder
    - Eye of the Beholder II: The Legend of Darkmoon
    - Pool of Radiance
    - Pools of Darkness
    - Realms of Darkness
    - Secret of the Silver Blades
    - Sword of Aragon

    There may have been some more.

    I've probably still got the maps we drew while playing at least some of
    those somewhere in the many boxes and drawers of stuff around here.

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