First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHDscreen was a revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not aperfect fit for me I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.was eliminated.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build deliver until late December or into January. HP
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.this line is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options including extended warranty. I spec'd out:expensive.
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell financing 30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16
GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade
from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is
the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would have
kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to
customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection,
and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram
options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is not what I
want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If
not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued
Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:UHD screen was a revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and Windows on the laptop was a plus.
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop
perfect fit for me I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a
HP was eliminated.Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build deliver until late December or into January.
but this line is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good
expensive.Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much theSilly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
with the Mac laptop you returned.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>>>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>>>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>>>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>>>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>>>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>>>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 >>> year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade
from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr >>> service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
with the Mac laptop you returned.
I'll keep that in mind for my trial. My current HP rarely runs a fan either. Thanks for the heads up.
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
with the Mac laptop you returned.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
I'll keep that in mind for my trial. My current HP rarely runs a fan either. Thanks for the heads up.The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much theSilly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
with the Mac laptop you returned.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
I'll keep that in mind for my trial. My current HP rarely runs a fan either. Thanks for the heads up.The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much theSilly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
with the Mac laptop you returned.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise thanProbably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
with the Mac laptop you returned.
-hh
I could care less how it looks on the screen.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:36:59 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would >>> have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16
GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
Commander Kinsey just has a ton of completely debatable allegations andI'll keep that in mind for my trial. My current HP rarely runs a fan either. Thanks for the heads up.The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than with the Mac laptop you returned.
year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
he knows it, so his MO is to repeat his bullshit over and over and engage 'lurkers' (who are either socks or shills) to 'back' that insanity to fluster
his audience. Of course my original statement stands literal and correct.
He is as incompetent as Commander Kinsey. Commander Kinsey can't get anything
else to work, either. For all the big talk Commander Kinsey's done on this topic, the 'Social Media Manager' does not get how to do this. It really takes a couple seconds to highlight a sentence and 'sign' it. A constant, fervid, posting itch, regardless of content - fundamentally gunky Commander Kinsey camp followers, and vigorously-greased ram, deactivated with wit
for his own personal desires. You haven't been around to completely understand
the depths of Commander Kinsey's flooding. The guy is as popular as a tax collector -- and with good reason.
--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about
him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 10:36:30 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would >>> have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16
GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2
year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than with the Mac laptop you returned.Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
-hhThe link to another one of Commander Kinsey's hacked accounts, no doubt.
At some point David will realize his 'buddy' is the troll everyone else shows. He is as incompetent as Commander Kinsey. Commander Kinsey can't
get anything else to work, either. Proof Sandman accuses everyone of
being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png.
Commander Kinsey has toned down the endless narcissistic, hogwash posts
he used to create but he is clearly the same in the honor department.
He simple uses sock puppets more now to spawn those threads.
Tizen, runs on the circuitry kernel. So yeah, circuitry is mobile. circuitry is a super computer. circuitry is a server. circuitry is a desktop. circuitry
is growing in market share.
--
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Steve Petruzzellis the Narcissistic Bigot
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise thanProbably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
with the Mac laptop you returned.
-hh
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
I could care less how it looks on the screen.No, you could NOT care less. If you COULD care less, than means you care.
It works like this:
I ate so much, I could eat more. No, you you could NOT eat more.
I love you so much, I could love you more. No, you could NOT love more.
I care so much, I could care more. No, you could NOT care more.
I care so little, I could care less. No, you could NOT care less.
The point is, you don’t care AT ALL now, so you could NOT care any less than you do now.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
I could care less how it looks on the screen.No, you could NOT care less. If you COULD care less, than means you care.
It works like this:
I ate so much, I could eat more. No, you you could NOT eat more.
I love you so much, I could love you more. No, you could NOT love more.
I care so much, I could care more. No, you could NOT care more.
I care so little, I could care less. No, you could NOT care less.
The point is, you don’t care AT ALL now, so you could NOT care any less than you do now.
On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 12:10:22 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
I could care less how it looks on the screen.No, you could NOT care less. If you COULD care less, than means you care.
It works like this:
I ate so much, I could eat more. No, you you could NOT eat more.
I love you so much, I could love you more. No, you could NOT love more.
I care so much, I could care more. No, you could NOT care more.
I care so little, I could care less. No, you could NOT care less.
The point is, you don’t care AT ALL now, so you could NOT care any less than you do now.Correction
"I couldn't care less"
Thanks for the input
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 12:36:30 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would >>> have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16
GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2
year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than with the Mac laptop you returned.Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
-hhI thought about that too. We will see. It's been handed off to production, due to ship on the 29th. Like I said, 30 days to give it a almost free trial...I do have to pay return postage.
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 12:36:30 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would >>> have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16
GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2
year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than with the Mac laptop you returned.
Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
I thought about that too. We will see. It's been handed off to production, due to ship on the 29th. Like I said, 30 days to give it a almost free trial...I do
have to pay return postage.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is
not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that
really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and
is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9 processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise thanProbably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model; don’t feel like getting up to go look).
with the Mac laptop you returned.
-hh
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 12:36:30 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Given the i9's power demands on an 86 wh battery it is going to be less than the MacBook.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>>>>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>>>>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>>>>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>>>>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>>>>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>>>>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>>>>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >>>>> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >>>>> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 >>>> year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade >>>> from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr
service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9
processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
with the Mac laptop you returned.
complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model;
don’t feel like getting up to go look).
-hh
Maybe "crappy" compared to the M1 MacBook Pro but better than my HP experience. The only reliable source I found for the 9510 Core i9 battery life was 8 hours. In real world tests I see claims of 12-15 hours for a 16" MacBook running typical loads.
Here are a couple of reviews by the same guy, one the day it arrived and the second a week later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wttEWLR4usE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSg38HQFxo
He liked it, a lot.
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
But, it comes with Windows 11.
On 2021-11-25 6:19 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Given the i9's power demands on an 86 wh battery it is going to be less than the MacBook.
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 12:36:30 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest >> complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model;
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>>>>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>>>>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would >>>>>> have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to >>>>>> Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>>>>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators. >>>>>>
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>>>>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated. >>>>>>
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>>>>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>>>>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>>>>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and >>>>> Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >>>>> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >>>>> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 >>>> year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the >>>> same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade >>>> from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr >>>> service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to >>>> get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9
processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than >>> with the Mac laptop you returned.
don’t feel like getting up to go look).
-hh
Maybe "crappy" compared to the M1 MacBook Pro but better than my HP experience. The only reliable source I found for the 9510 Core i9 battery life was 8 hours. In real world tests I see claims of 12-15 hours for a 16" MacBook running typical loads.
Here are a couple of reviews by the same guy, one the day it arrived and the second a week later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wttEWLR4usE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSg38HQFxo
He liked it, a lot.
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.The need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who made you
buy them.
But, it comes with Windows 11.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter forThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who made
my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with only
USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought the new
UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That
fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have
USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR
THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I returned
the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the computer and
bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a dongle
for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So in the end
the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB
hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has
not changed.
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my Windows
apps in a fully supported Windows version?
Yes. Do I wish that the
Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 weeks?
Yes. Do I wish that
Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so that my HP would be
compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward for me because
the Mac version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that I
want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped for
eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already stated in
a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I
bought.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP and
my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run a
Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world you
actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do not have
perfect knowledge of future events either.
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 12:36:30 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Given the i9's power demands on an 86 wh battery it is going to be less than the MacBook.
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:00:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/21 4:54 PM, John wrote:Probably pretty crap battery life too. That’s what’s been the biggest
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended >>>>>> audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love >>>>>> this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would
have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 >>>>>> in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can >>>>>> compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 >>>>>> GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is >>>>>> not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my >>>>>> USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be
kidding. The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k
display with dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that >>>>> really hasn't been updated in years. The Mac Version looks
outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and >>>>> is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
The Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2 >>>> year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade >>>> from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr
service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
Silly me. I have a desktop. And you are getting a laptop with an I9
processor. Unfortunately you will be getting much more fan noise than
with the Mac laptop you returned.
complaint I have with my Dell laptop (don’t recall the exact model;
don’t feel like getting up to go look).
-hh
Maybe "crappy" compared to the M1 MacBook Pro but better than my HP experience. The only reliable source I found for the 9510 Core i9 battery life was 8 hours. In real world tests I see claims of 12-15 hours for a 16" MacBook running typical loads.
Here are a couple of reviews by the same guy, one the day it arrived and the second a week later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wttEWLR4usE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSg38HQFxo
He liked it, a lot.
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
But, it comes with Windows 11.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter forThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who made
my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with onlyAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot", Idiot.
USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought the new
UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That
fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have
USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR
THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I returned
the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
"USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI" <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the
computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell
The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a dongleBut you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and never
for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So in the end
the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB
hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has
not changed.
even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to go from
USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to USB-A.
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my WindowsBut you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from installing
apps in a fully supported Windows version?
Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that theI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be problems so
Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 weeks?
you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that
Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward for me because
the Mac version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that I
want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped forBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already stated in
a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I
bought.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP andAnd if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run a
Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my aviation class.
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world youAnd in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved, Idiot.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter forThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who made
my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with onlyAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot", Idiot.
USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought the new
UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That
fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have
USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR
THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I returned
the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
"USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI" <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the
computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell
The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a dongleBut you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and never
for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So in the end
the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB
hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has
not changed.
even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to go from
USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to USB-A.
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my WindowsBut you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from installing
apps in a fully supported Windows version?
Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that theI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be problems so
Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 weeks?
you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that
Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward for me because
the Mac version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that I
want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped forBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already stated in
a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I
bought.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP andAnd if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run a
Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my aviation class.
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world youAnd in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved, Idiot.
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:05:39 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Run a background check on Jeff Relf and you will get proof that he was
in the big house last year. The sites can not go into that degree of specificity
and legal reports apparently are private unless subpoenaed.
Recently I did work on and showed some bash for the front end which is
the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Jeff Relf's kiddie crap
while reading with Google Groups.
Another successful AZ Code test. That is if you count slow and buggy as
a success.
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On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapterNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store andSo you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity toSo you say.
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that IIf you were being honest...
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter forThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who made
my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with onlyAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot", Idiot.
USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought the new
UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That
fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have
USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR
THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I returned
the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
"USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI" <https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with the
computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell
The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a dongleBut you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and never
for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So in the end
the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB
hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has
not changed.
even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to go from
USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to USB-A.
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my WindowsBut you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from installing
apps in a fully supported Windows version?
Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that theI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be problems so
Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 weeks?
you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that
Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward for me because
the Mac version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that I
want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped forBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already stated in
a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I
bought.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP andAnd if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run a
Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my aviation class.
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world youAnd in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved, Idiot.
On 2021-11-28 9:27 p.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:05:39 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Run a background check on Jeff Relf and you will get proof that he was
in the big house last year. The sites can not go into that degree of specificity
and legal reports apparently are private unless subpoenaed.
Recently I did work on and showed some bash for the front end which is
the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Jeff Relf's kiddie crap while reading with Google Groups.
Another successful AZ Code test. That is if you count slow and buggy as
a success.
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https://redd.it/6sfhq6 <https://www.usphonebook.com/423-491-1448?Dustin-Cook&Diesel&Gremlin> Narcissistic Bigot Steve Carroll
Go away, Snit.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 10:47:27 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 9:27 p.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:05:39 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Go away, Snit.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I justAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the onlyBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Run a background check on Jeff Relf and you will get proof that he was
in the big house last year. The sites can not go into that degree of specificity
and legal reports apparently are private unless subpoenaed.
Recently I did work on and showed some bash for the front end which is
the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Jeff Relf's kiddie crap
while reading with Google Groups.
Another successful AZ Code test. That is if you count slow and buggy as
a success.
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<https://www.usphonebook.com/423-491-1448?Dustin-Cook&Diesel&Gremlin>
Narcissistic Bigot Steve Carroll
ronb can not help but know Kelly Phillips knows he is just trolling! Despite ronb's claim that he has "no skill in making enemies" (a lie as demonstrated by the fact that he posts over 1000 times a month) he was seen asking programmers
how they would install a virus remotely.
He is as incompetent as ronb. ronb can't get anything else to work, either. You've proven very little.
I am an obsessed groupie of Linux, because that's where all the exciting breakthroughs are happening.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapterNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store andSo you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity toSo you say.
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that IIf you were being honest...
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
"I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned itSo you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity toSo you say.
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I really liked the Mac hardware.If you were being honest...
...which I doubt.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port,
but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/CThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple
adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came
with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI.
So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came
with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's
HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from
Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE
MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I
returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord
with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with asNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord
with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7
adapter would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up
with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable
from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the Dell
needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE
THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has not
changed.
and never even figured out that you could just buy a
different cable to go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run
my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully
supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked afterI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
2 weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design WindowsBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path
to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future.
Windows 11 the only path forward for me because the Mac
version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that
I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and
hoped for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As
I already stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro
is a beautiful computer. But according to the reviews I
read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep
the HP and my current monitor, take them to school, and use
them to run a Windows-only flight simulator program for the
students in my aviation class.
new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real
world you actually have to make compromises. In the real
world you do not have perfect knowledge of future events
either.
for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is
involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A
adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying
the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the
store and just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but
returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with
Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity
to evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see
that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these
new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the
sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit
Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for one
simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac. Believe
or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not sure if I
needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell with no USB A
port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy their adapter when
I can get one delivered from Amazon next day? No. Just for fun the
Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an always-on USB C port on
the HP. Works just as good as the Mac, including waking up from sleep
from the mouse or keyboard.
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought
the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB
A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So
in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible
ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to
go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 soBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows
11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube
so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP
and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run
a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter
for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the
Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and
just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.Right there. That was not true and factual.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port,
but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/CThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple
adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came
with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI.
So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came
with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's
HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from
Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE
MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had one dongle. I
returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord
with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with asNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord
with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7
adapter would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up
with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable
from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the Dell
needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE
THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, that has not
changed.
and never even figured out that you could just buy a
different cable to go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run
my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully
supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked afterI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
2 weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design WindowsBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path
to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future.
Windows 11 the only path forward for me because the Mac
version of Quicken sucks and there are other programs that
I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and
hoped for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As
I already stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro
is a beautiful computer. But according to the reviews I
read and saw on YouTube so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep
the HP and my current monitor, take them to school, and use
them to run a Windows-only flight simulator program for the
students in my aviation class.
new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real
world you actually have to make compromises. In the real
world you do not have perfect knowledge of future events
either.
for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is
involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A
adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying
the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the
store and just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but
returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with
Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity
to evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see
that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these
new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the
sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit
Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for one
simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac. Believe
or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not sure if I
needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell with no USB A
port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy their adapter when
I can get one delivered from Amazon next day? No. Just for fun the
Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an always-on USB C port on
the HP. Works just as good as the Mac, including waking up from sleep
from the mouse or keyboard.
You miss the point, Idiot.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't understand
that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Right there. That was not true and factual.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I justAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapterThe need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who
for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.
made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with
only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER,
the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB
A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised
and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with
the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter
would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a
dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is
the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to
USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
weeks?
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the onlyBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped
for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already
stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful
computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my
aviation class.
monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do
not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I
really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
WRONG. Caught you again Liarboy. If you wish to dispute please supply a link to an Apple site that says 15 days.
https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/help/returns_refund
"Standard Return Policy
There are a few important things to keep in mind when returning a product you purchased online from Apple:
You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it."
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A
port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
Apple who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook
came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and
it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH
THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB
A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter
cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had
one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple
USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
You miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and withNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C
cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac
as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put
up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort
cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the
Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good,
that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just
buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would
run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not brickedI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would
after 2 weeks?
be problems so you could return it and feel all
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But
a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward
for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on
Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it
and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread
the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so
is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to
keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the
real world you actually have to make compromises. In
the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when
Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB
A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So,
buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff
and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will
see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by
these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you
doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can
edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for
one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac.
Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not
sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell
with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy
their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day?
No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an
always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac,
including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand
for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running that
day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while
was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that
time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped
around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
On 2021-11-30 11:01 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Right there. That was not true and factual.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I justAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter >>>>>>>>> for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.The need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who >>>>>>>> made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with >>>>>>> only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, >>>>>>> the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised >>>>>>> and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the >>>>>>> Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with >>>>>> the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter >>>>>> would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a >>>>>>> dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is >>>>>>> the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to >>>>>> USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported. >>>>>>> Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2
weeks?I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only >>>>>>> path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS. >>>>>>>But now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped >>>>>>> for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already >>>>>>> stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful >>>>>>> computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new >>>>>> monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my >>>>>>> aviation class.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a >>>>>> hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do >>>>>>> not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I >>>>> really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual? >>>
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
WRONG. Caught you again Liarboy. If you wish to dispute please supply a link to an Apple site that says 15 days.
https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/help/returns_refund
"Standard Return Policy
There are a few important things to keep in mind when returning a product you purchased online from Apple:
You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it."
See the "hed" in the URL there; the "us-hed"?
That means you're looking at the policy for the "Education Store Home";
the ONLINE, "Education Store Home", Idiot.
You bought your Mac at an Apple Retail Store. A physical store.
Let me refresh your memory:
"Ready tomorrow after the STORE transfers my data files."
"I don't know what to say, except back to the Apple Store again
...
The Apple Store opens at 10. I hope they can show me what happened and
how to fix it. I'm taking everything back in their boxes in case I need
to return it all."
So, Idiot. Perhaps we should read the return policy for the PHYSICAL
Apple Stores in the US:
"Apple Store Returns Policy
You can return your items to an Apple Retail Store within 15 calendar
days of receiving your order. You need to bring a government-issued
photo ID and confirmation of the web order number with your items."
<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/help/returns_refund>
So, Idiot. You can either admit you're an idiot who couldn't figure out
that the policy he quoted wasn't about Apple's Retail Stores...
...or that you're a liar who deliberately tried to sneak another lie
past us.
On 2021-11-30 11:01 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Right there. That was not true and factual.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I justAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot",
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter >>>>>>>>> for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.The need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who >>>>>>>> made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with >>>>>>> only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, >>>>>>> the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised >>>>>>> and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the >>>>>>> Dell.
Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with >>>>>> the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter >>>>>> would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a >>>>>>> dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is >>>>>>> the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to >>>>>> USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my
Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported. >>>>>>> Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2
weeks?I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only >>>>>>> path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS. >>>>>>>But now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped >>>>>>> for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already >>>>>>> stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful >>>>>>> computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new >>>>>> monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my >>>>>>> aviation class.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a >>>>>> hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world
you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do >>>>>>> not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it
with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase.
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I >>>>> really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual? >>>
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
WRONG. Caught you again Liarboy. If you wish to dispute please supply a link to an Apple site that says 15 days.
https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/help/returns_refund
"Standard Return Policy
There are a few important things to keep in mind when returning a product you purchased online from Apple:
You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it."
See the "hed" in the URL there; the "us-hed"?
That means you're looking at the policy for the "Education Store Home";
the ONLINE, "Education Store Home", Idiot.
You bought your Mac at an Apple Retail Store. A physical store.
Let me refresh your memory:
"Ready tomorrow after the STORE transfers my data files."
"I don't know what to say, except back to the Apple Store again
...
The Apple Store opens at 10. I hope they can show me what happened and
how to fix it. I'm taking everything back in their boxes in case I need
to return it all."
So, Idiot. Perhaps we should read the return policy for the PHYSICAL
Apple Stores in the US:
"Apple Store Returns Policy
You can return your items to an Apple Retail Store within 15 calendar
days of receiving your order. You need to bring a government-issued
photo ID and confirmation of the web order number with your items."
<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/help/returns_refund>
So, Idiot. You can either admit you're an idiot who couldn't figure out
that the policy he quoted wasn't about Apple's Retail Stores...
...or that you're a liar who deliberately tried to sneak another lie
past us.
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:52:17 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-30 11:01 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Right there. That was not true and factual.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables. >>>>>> "I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with >>>>>> the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter >>>>>> would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just >>>>>>>>> bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter >>>>>>>>> for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot", >>>>>> Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
The need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who >>>>>>>> made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with >>>>>>> only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, >>>>>>> the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised >>>>>>> and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the >>>>>>> Dell.
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and >>>>>> never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a >>>>>>> dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is >>>>>>> the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to >>>>>> USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my >>>>>>> Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported. >>>>>>> Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 >>>>>>> weeks?
I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only >>>>>>> path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS. >>>>>>>But now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped >>>>>>> for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already >>>>>>> stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful >>>>>>> computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new >>>>>> monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my >>>>>>> aviation class.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a >>>>>> hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world >>>>>>> you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do >>>>>>> not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it >>>>> with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase. >>>> So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I >>>>> really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual? >>>
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
WRONG. Caught you again Liarboy. If you wish to dispute please supply a link to an Apple site that says 15 days.
https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/help/returns_refund
"Standard Return Policy
There are a few important things to keep in mind when returning a product you purchased online from Apple:
You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it."
See the "hed" in the URL there; the "us-hed"?
That means you're looking at the policy for the "Education Store Home";
the ONLINE, "Education Store Home", Idiot.
You bought your Mac at an Apple Retail Store. A physical store.
Let me refresh your memory:
"Ready tomorrow after the STORE transfers my data files."
"I don't know what to say, except back to the Apple Store again
...
The Apple Store opens at 10. I hope they can show me what happened and
how to fix it. I'm taking everything back in their boxes in case I need
to return it all."
So, Idiot. Perhaps we should read the return policy for the PHYSICAL
Apple Stores in the US:
"Apple Store Returns Policy
You can return your items to an Apple Retail Store within 15 calendar
days of receiving your order. You need to bring a government-issued
photo ID and confirmation of the web order number with your items."
<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/help/returns_refund>
So, Idiot. You can either admit you're an idiot who couldn't figure out that the policy he quoted wasn't about Apple's Retail Stores...
...or that you're a liar who deliberately tried to sneak another lieSee the "ca" in the URL there; the "ca/shop"?
past us.
That means you're looking at the policy for the "Canadian" store. Tom is not in Canada.
The standard return policy in the US is 14 days.
https://www.apple.com/shop/open/salespolicies
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:52:17 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-30 11:01 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-29 4:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:Right there. That was not true and factual.
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables. >>>>>> "I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C cord with >>>>>> the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the Dell The $7 adapter >>>>>> would have worked fine with the Mac as well, Idiot.
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>> >>>>>>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A port, but I just >>>>>>>>> bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USB A/C adapter >>>>>>>>> for my hub. It has a full SD card slot.And here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet "Idiot", >>>>>> Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI"
The need for which you would have decried if it was Apple who >>>>>>>> made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook came with >>>>>>> only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was HDMI. So, I bought >>>>>>> the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and it came with HDMI and
DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, >>>>>>> the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised >>>>>>> and had one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB >>>>>>> A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the >>>>>>> Dell.
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.But you decried the Macs when such adapters were necessary and >>>>>> never even figured out that you could just buy a different cable to >>>>>> go from USB-C to your monitor...
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put up with a >>>>>>> dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort cable from Amazon. So >>>>>>> in the end the only item that the Dell needs an adapter for is >>>>>>> the still the USB hub, JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible >>>>>>> ports good, that has not changed.
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for USB-C to >>>>>> USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you from
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would run my >>>>>>> Windows apps in a fully supported Windows version?
installing Windows for ARM is the same as being fully supported. >>>>>>> Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked after 2 >>>>>>> weeks?
I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would be
problems so you could return it and feel all righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to design Windows 11 so >>>>>>> that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But a clear path to Windows >>>>>>> 11 was not in the Mac's foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only >>>>>>> path forward for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and >>>>>>> there are other programs that I want that do not run on Mac OS. >>>>>>>But now it's OK to buy a computer that requires adapters.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it and hoped >>>>>>> for eventual full Windows support from Microsoft. As I already >>>>>>> stated in a different thread the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful >>>>>>> computer. But according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube >>>>>>> so is the Dell I bought.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that your new >>>>>> monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to keep the HP >>>>>>> and my current monitor, take them to school, and use them to run >>>>>>> a Windows-only flight simulator program for the students in my >>>>>>> aviation class.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2 weeks for a >>>>>> hardware problem) is only a bad thing when Apple is involved,
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the real world >>>>>>> you actually have to make compromises. In the real world you do >>>>>>> not have perfect knowledge of future events either.
Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB A adapter >>>>> for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, buying the Mac vs the >>>>> Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in the store and >>>>> just added it to the purchase. Could have kept it but returned it >>>>> with the rest of the Apple stuff and replace with Amazon purchase. >>>> So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple" adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an opportunity to
evaluate a Windows machine with similar specs. It was an
unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will see that I >>>>> really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and factual? >>>
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you doubt it.
Apple's return policy is 15 days.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the difference.
WRONG. Caught you again Liarboy. If you wish to dispute please supply a link to an Apple site that says 15 days.
https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/help/returns_refund
"Standard Return Policy
There are a few important things to keep in mind when returning a product you purchased online from Apple:
You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you received it."
See the "hed" in the URL there; the "us-hed"?
That means you're looking at the policy for the "Education Store Home";
the ONLINE, "Education Store Home", Idiot.
You bought your Mac at an Apple Retail Store. A physical store.
Let me refresh your memory:
"Ready tomorrow after the STORE transfers my data files."
"I don't know what to say, except back to the Apple Store again
...
The Apple Store opens at 10. I hope they can show me what happened and
how to fix it. I'm taking everything back in their boxes in case I need
to return it all."
So, Idiot. Perhaps we should read the return policy for the PHYSICAL
Apple Stores in the US:
"Apple Store Returns Policy
You can return your items to an Apple Retail Store within 15 calendar
days of receiving your order. You need to bring a government-issued
photo ID and confirmation of the web order number with your items."
<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/help/returns_refund>
So, Idiot. You can either admit you're an idiot who couldn't figure out that the policy he quoted wasn't about Apple's Retail Stores...
...or that you're a liar who deliberately tried to sneak another lieLiarboy, that's the Canadian site. I did not drive to Canada to buy my Mac.
past us.
https://www.apple.com/shop/open/salespoliciy
Has the same 14-day policy as the education version. I got the ED site because I used my education discount. And yes, I'm teaching a high school course and entitled.
Is there no lie you will not try to slip by?
And, this too. I retrieved the information for that boot loop video off my iPhone and uploaded it. The link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13UxdUNcViLIfKx-HDOYsigSrfH7Ox5rJ/view?usp=sharing
That's my house in Weston Place addition, Carmel Indiana, under the video miniature. It was taken at 7:40 am EST on November 15.
The Mac was taken back shortly after the store opened at 10. After talking over the problem with the staff the refund was issued at 10:53 am, same day. See the link below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14RfVtWOpTH5GIjkdVo_iNoiMlS2Vhupo/view?usp=sharing
Great service, I'll go back there any day.
On 2021-11-30 11:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A
port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
Apple who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook
came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and
it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH
THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB
A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter
cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had
one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple
USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
You miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and withNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C
cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac
as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put
up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort
cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the
Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good,
that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just
buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would
run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not brickedI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would
after 2 weeks?
be problems so you could return it and feel all
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But
a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward
for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on
Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it
and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread
the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so
is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to
keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the
real world you actually have to make compromises. In
the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when
Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB
A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So,
buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff
and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will
see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by
these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you
doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can
edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for
one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac.
Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not
sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell
with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy
their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day?
No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an
always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac,
including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand
for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running thatThen you would have written quite a different sentence than what you
day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while
was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that
time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
actually wrote, Liarboy-Idiot:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:UHD screen was a revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and Windows on the laptop was a plus.
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop
perfect fit for me I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a
HP was eliminated.Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build deliver until late December or into January.
but this line is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good
expensive.Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-30 11:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables.
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A
port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
Apple who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook
came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and
it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH
THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB
A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter
cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had
one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple
USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Then you would have written quite a different sentence than what youYou miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and withNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot."I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C
cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac
as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put
up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort
cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the
Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good,
that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just
buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would
run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not brickedI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would
after 2 weeks?
be problems so you could return it and feel all
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But
a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward
for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on
Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it
and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread
the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so
is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to
keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the
real world you actually have to make compromises. In
the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when
Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB
A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So,
buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff
and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will
see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by
these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you
doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can
edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for
one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac.
Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not
sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell
with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy
their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day?
No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an
always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac,
including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand
for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running that
day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while
was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that
time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped
around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
actually wrote, Liarboy-Idiot:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
Dropped out after you claimed I lied about the return policy? You claimed I was wrong based on Canadian Apple policy? Come on Alan, you are too smart to do that. Nice try, Liarboy.
On 2021-12-01 7:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-30 11:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables. >>>>>>>>> "I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, AlanAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A
port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
Apple who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook
came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was
HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and
it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH
THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB
A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter
cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had
one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple
USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Then you would have written quite a different sentence than what youYou miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and withNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac
as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put
up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort
cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the
Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good,
that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just
buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for
USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would
run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not brickedI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would
after 2 weeks?
be problems so you could return it and feel all
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But
a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward
for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on
Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it
and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread
the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so
is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to
keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell.
And in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in the
real world you actually have to make compromises. In
the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when
Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB
A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So,
buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff
and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will
see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by
these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov.
That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you
doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can
edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new
Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The
Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for
one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac.
Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not
sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell
with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy
their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day?
No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an
always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac,
including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand
for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running that
day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while
was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that
time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped
around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
actually wrote, Liarboy-Idiot:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
Dropped out after you claimed I lied about the return policy? You claimed I was wrong based on Canadian Apple policy? Come on Alan, you are too smart to do that. Nice try, Liarboy.
That isn't under discussion here, Idiot.
But it's pretty obvious why you want to deflect from what IS under discussion.
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-01 7:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That isn't under discussion here, Idiot.
On 2021-11-30 11:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables. >>>>>>>>>>> "I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan
wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB AAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
port, but I just
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
Apple who made you buy them.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook
came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was >>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and >>>>>>>>>>>> it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH >>>>>>>>>>>> THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB >>>>>>>>>>>> A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter >>>>>>>>>>>> cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had >>>>>>>>>>>> one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple
USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Then you would have written quite a different sentence than what youYou miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and withNope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot.cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the
Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac
as well, Idiot.
But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put
up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort
cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the >>>>>>>>>>>> Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, >>>>>>>>>>>> that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just >>>>>>>>>>> buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for >>>>>>>>>>> USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would >>>>>>>>>>>> run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not brickedI'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would >>>>>>>>>>> be problems so you could return it and feel all
after 2 weeks?
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But >>>>>>>>>>>> a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward
for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it
and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread
the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so
is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to
keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell. >>>>>>>>>>>>
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in theAnd in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
real world you actually have to make compromises. In
the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when
Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB >>>>>>>>>> A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So,
buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
So you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was in
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff
and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will
see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by
these new Macs?
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and
factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. >>>>>>>> That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you
doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can
edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new >>>>>>> Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The >>>>>>> Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for
one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac. >>>>>>> Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not >>>>>>> sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell >>>>>>> with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy >>>>>>> their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day? >>>>>>> No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an
always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac,
including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand >>>>> for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running that >>>>> day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while
was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that >>>>> time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped >>>>> around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
actually wrote, Liarboy-Idiot:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
Dropped out after you claimed I lied about the return policy? You claimed I was wrong based on Canadian Apple policy? Come on Alan, you are too smart to do that. Nice try, Liarboy.
But it's pretty obvious why you want to deflect from what IS under
discussion.
What's that, Liarboy?
On 2021-12-01 8:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-01 7:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That isn't under discussion here, Idiot.
On 2021-11-30 11:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:47:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:There are only dozens of choices of direct, USB-C-to-HDMI cables. >>>>>>>>>>> "I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple USB A/USB C >>>>>>>>>>> cord with the computer and bought a $7 adapter for the >>>>>>>>>>> Dell The $7 adapter would have worked fine with the Mac >>>>>>>>>>> as well, Idiot.
On 2021-11-29 5:11 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:05:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2021-11-28 7:56 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2021-11-27 6:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> There are some downsides. No HDMI or USB A >>>>>>>>>>>> port, but I justAnd here are some reasons you've earned the sobriquet
bought a DisplayPort cable. I also bought a USBThe need for which you would have decried if it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple who made you buy them.
A/C adapter for my hub. It has a full SD card
slot.
So that's a HUGE drawback...
But, it comes with Windows 11.
Actually, my port complaint was back when the MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>> came with only USB C ports and I had a monitor that was >>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI. So, I bought the new UHD monitor FOR THE MAC and >>>>>>>>>>>> it came with HDMI and DisplayPort. That fit nicely WITH >>>>>>>>>>>> THE MAC's HDMI port. HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB >>>>>>>>>>>> A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter >>>>>>>>>>>> cord FOR THE MAC. So FOR THE MAC I compromised and had >>>>>>>>>>>> one dongle. I returned the rather expensive $20 Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> USB A/USB C cord with the computer and bought a $7
adapter for the Dell.
"Idiot", Idiot. "USB C ports and I had a monitor that
was HDMI"
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+c+thunderbolt+to+hdmi+cable&ref=nb_sb_noss_1>
Then you would have written quite a different sentence than what you >>>> actually wrote, Liarboy-Idiot:You miss the point, Idiot.Alan, how could you doubt that someone knowledgeable and with >>>>>>>> as many years of computer use as I have could be impressed by >>>>>>>> these new Macs?Nope. I acknowledged that both required an adapter, Idiot. >>>>>>>>>>But you decried the Macs when such adapters were
Having made the monitor FOR THE MAC, rather than put >>>>>>>>>>>> up with a dongle for the Dell I bought a DisplayPort >>>>>>>>>>>> cable from Amazon. So in the end the only item that the >>>>>>>>>>>> Dell needs an adapter for is the still the USB hub,
JUST LIKE THE MAC. Dongles bad, compatible ports good, >>>>>>>>>>>> that has not changed.
necessary and never even figured out that you could just >>>>>>>>>>> buy a different cable to go from USB-C to your
monitor...
...or that a generic adapter would work with the Mac for >>>>>>>>>>> USB-C to USB-A.
But you've claimed that Microsoft not preventing you
Is it ideal? No. Do I wish that the Mac I bought would >>>>>>>>>>>> run my Windows apps in a fully supported Windows
version?
from installing Windows for ARM is the same as being
fully supported.
Yes. Do I wish that the Mac I bought had not bricked >>>>>>>>>>>> after 2 weeks?I'm not sure you do. I think you were hoping there would >>>>>>>>>>> be problems so you could return it and feel all
righteous.
Yes. Do I wish that Microsoft had chosen to designBut now it's OK to buy a computer that requires
Windows 11 so that my HP would be compatible? Yes. But >>>>>>>>>>>> a clear path to Windows 11 was not in the Mac's
foreseeable future. Windows 11 the only path forward >>>>>>>>>>>> for me because the Mac version of Quicken sucks and
there are other programs that I want that do not run on >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS.
Had the Mac not failed I actually would have kept it >>>>>>>>>>>> and hoped for eventual full Windows support from
Microsoft. As I already stated in a different thread >>>>>>>>>>>> the new MacBook Pro is a beautiful computer. But
according to the reviews I read and saw on YouTube so >>>>>>>>>>>> is the Dell I bought.
adapters.
And if you'd had a single clue, you'd have realize that >>>>>>>>>>> your new monitor would work as well with your new Dell. >>>>>>>>>>>>
As a plus from all the toil and trouble I'm going to >>>>>>>>>>>> keep the HP and my current monitor, take them to
school, and use them to run a Windows-only flight
simulator program for the students in my aviation
class.
So Alan, unlike fantasyland where you live, in theAnd in your world, making compromises (like waiting 2
real world you actually have to make compromises. In >>>>>>>>>>>> the real world you do not have perfect knowledge of
future events either.
weeks for a hardware problem) is only a bad thing when >>>>>>>>>>> Apple is involved, Idiot.
Just a few little items you were wrong about.
First, buying the Mac or the Dell both involved a USB C/USB >>>>>>>>>> A adapter for my USB/A hub. Same compromise for both. So, >>>>>>>>>> buying the Mac vs the Dell was a tossup on that score.
Second, I bought the Apple USB adapter because I was inSo you can't grouse that you needed a special "Apple"
the store and just added it to the purchase. Could have
kept it but returned it with the rest of the Apple stuff >>>>>>>>>> and replace with Amazon purchase.
adapter...
...which you did, Idiot.
So you say.
Third, I took the Mac back in part to give me an
opportunity to evaluate a Windows machine with similar
specs. It was an unanticipated opportunity.
If you were being honest...
Your comments on Windows 11 are your opinion.
Finally, if you actually read the original post you will >>>>>>>>>> see that I really liked the Mac hardware.
...which I doubt.
Now can you prove that anything I have stated is not true and >>>>>>>> factual?
By the way, I bought Mac on 30 Oct and took it back on 15 Nov. >>>>>>>> That's outside the 14-day Apple return policy. I can supply
the sales and return receipts and credit card records if you >>>>>>>> doubt it.
So, you will probably say that I'm so very clever that I can >>>>>>>> edit Apple and Citibank records so that you can't tell the
difference.
Correction, first sentence, "could NOT be impressed by these new >>>>>>> Macs?"
Anyway, I opened this thread to point out something obvious. The >>>>>>> Apple USB A/USB C adapter dongle was returned with the Mac for >>>>>>> one simple reason. I was not sure I was going to buy another Mac. >>>>>>> Believe or not other laptops still have USB A ports. So yes, not >>>>>>> sure if I needed it, I returned the adapter. When I bought a Dell >>>>>>> with no USB A port was I going to go back the Apple Store to buy >>>>>>> their adapter when I can get one delivered from Amazon next day? >>>>>>> No. Just for fun the Amazon adapter I bought is plugged into an >>>>>>> always-on USB C port on the HP. Works just as good as the Mac, >>>>>>> including waking up from sleep from the mouse or keyboard.
You CHOSE to buy an "Apple adapter"... ...because you didn't
understand that it didn't matter which adapter you bought.
It showed your ignorance of these matters.
Wrong again, Liarboy. I am well aware that from Amazon and other
sources there are less expensive generic products than Apple's brand >>>>> for ANYTHING concerning USB. That includes Apple's cables and
adapters. Had I not been aware I would have returned to the Apple
Store and bought their $20 adapter. I did not.
I needed that adapter to go home and get the Mac up and running that >>>>> day, connected to my USB hub. So, I went ahead and bought one while >>>>> was there in the store. Convenience trumped cost. Given the fact that >>>>> time was no longer critical when I needed something similar I shopped >>>>> around. It's called being rational. Apparently you are not.
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple >>>> USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
Dropped out after you claimed I lied about the return policy? You claimed I was wrong based on Canadian Apple policy? Come on Alan, you are too smart to do that. Nice try, Liarboy.
But it's pretty obvious why you want to deflect from what IS under
discussion.
What's that, Liarboy?
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
If you actually understood that USB-C to USB-A adapters were generic...
...why did you emphasize "FOR THE MAC."?
Hmmm?
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:25:19 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 12:13:29 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:[snip]
On 2021-12-01 8:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
If you actually understood that USB-C to USB-A adapters were generic...
...why did you emphasize "FOR THE MAC."?
Hmmm?
Because it was bought for the Mac. I never needed one for my HP, thusConsidering that my 2017 Dell laptop has USB-C, it’s not as if that interface
the emphasis.
is a brand-spanking new surprise..nor will definitely *not* likely be needed for one’s next machine.
Repeating, I bought it there for the convenience, not the price versusIn counterpoint, doesn’t that also mean that Tom had a financially pressing
a generic. Are you so poor that US $13 makes a difference to your lifestyle?
need to save $19 by returning the one he bought too? /s
Granted, if it would have made the return easier by being “everything” on
the receipt, that would then be a convenience element, but it also would have been more convenient to have gotten the repair replacement too,
as one already had the Time Machine data migration, etc…
-hh
On 11/20/21 2:09 PM, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is
the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended
audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love
this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me I would have
kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11
in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can
compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to
customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection,
and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram
options either. Customer reviews were good but this line is not what I
want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my
USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If
not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued
Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business andThe Dell machine you are looking at is great. I know because I have a 2
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. Capability wise they look the same.
year old version XPS 8930 with 2TB SSD and 64g RAM. Pretty much the
same machine. Works great on Win 11 - which is pretty much a downgrade
from the Win 10 Pro it came with. Also cost me 3k. Also got the 4 yr
service plan though 2 yr in I have not had to use it. If you want to
get anything close to Mac you have to spend 3k for a Dell.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 12:13:29 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-01 8:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
If you actually understood that USB-C to USB-A adapters were generic...
...why did you emphasize "FOR THE MAC."?
Hmmm?
Because it was bought for the Mac. I never needed one for my HP, thus
the emphasis.
Repeating, I bought it there for the convenience, not the price versus
a generic. Are you so poor that US $13 makes a difference to your lifestyle?
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:25:19 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 12:13:29 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:[snip]
On 2021-12-01 8:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
If you actually understood that USB-C to USB-A adapters were generic...
...why did you emphasize "FOR THE MAC."?
Hmmm?
Because it was bought for the Mac. I never needed one for my HP, thus the emphasis.
Considering that my 2017 Dell laptop has USB-C, it’s not as if that interface
is a brand-spanking new surprise..nor will definitely *not* likely be needed
for one’s next machine.
Repeating, I bought it there for the convenience, not the price versusIn counterpoint, doesn’t that also mean that Tom had a financially pressing
a generic. Are you so poor that US $13 makes a difference to your lifestyle?
need to save $19 by returning the one he bought too? /s
Granted, if it would have made the return easier by being “everything” on
the receipt, that would then be a convenience element, but it also would have been more convenient to have gotten the repair replacement too,
as one already had the Time Machine data migration, etc…
Hugh, I returned it all simply because at that point I was not sure that I was
even going to replace the HP.
It too has a USB C port - that I never used. It's HDMI and USB A ports were all I required.
I was really upset by the Mac's failure. I was also not happy with myself for not more
thoroughly exploring the whole Windows 11 on ARM program as it relates to the Apple M1.
Despite that I was prepared to go forward with the Mac. It was pretty cool having Mac OS
on the 27" monitor and Quicken in Windows 11 on the Mac's display.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 8:42:12 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:25:19 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 12:13:29 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:[snip]
On 2021-12-01 8:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
"HOWEVER, the Mac did not have USB A, so from Apple I bought an Apple
USB A/USB C adapter cord FOR THE MAC."
If you actually understood that USB-C to USB-A adapters were generic...
...why did you emphasize "FOR THE MAC."?
Hmmm?
Because it was bought for the Mac. I never needed one for my HP, thus the emphasis.
Considering that my 2017 Dell laptop has USB-C, it’s not as if that interface
is a brand-spanking new surprise..nor will definitely *not* likely be needed
for one’s next machine.
Repeating, I bought it there for the convenience, not the price versus a generic. Are you so poor that US $13 makes a difference to your lifestyle?In counterpoint, doesn’t that also mean that Tom had a financially pressing
need to save $19 by returning the one he bought too? /s
Granted, if it would have made the return easier by being “everything” on
the receipt, that would then be a convenience element, but it also would have been more convenient to have gotten the repair replacement too,
as one already had the Time Machine data migration, etc…
Hugh, I returned it all simply because at that point I was not sure that I wasOh, I understand your point ... I'm poking some fun at the idea that you would
even going to replace the HP.
"never, ever, ever" consider buying another PC ever again, and thus can safely
ignore the existence of the USB-C interface for the rest of your life.
It too has a USB C port - that I never used. It's HDMI and USB A ports were all I required.We've all been through such changes in interface standards before ... remember
going from COM & LPT ports to USB? ... and we have thus learned that there's always "bumps" of one sort or another during the transition period ... and said transition
lasts for as long as we retain the older-style host and/or peripheral. Heck, I still have
some Firewire devices hanging around that should be retired, but haven't. Ditto for
a very nice FW400/USB2 photo scanner.
I was really upset by the Mac's failure. I was also not happy with myself for not moreI've not had a strong "Windows on Mac" requirement, so I've not bothered to keep track of
thoroughly exploring the whole Windows 11 on ARM program as it relates to the Apple M1.
Despite that I was prepared to go forward with the Mac. It was pretty cool having Mac OS
on the 27" monitor and Quicken in Windows 11 on the Mac's display.
that stuff. Similarly, I don't have vendor lock-in on Quicken to need to be worried about that
sustainment there either.
I suspect that you'll have a little buyer's remorse for when W11 does officially become supported
on Apple silicon next year, particularly since there was nothing particularly apparent which was
stopping you from just simply keeping the HP around as a "hot spare" until that happens. Generally,
I like to run with a good 6+ months of overlap between my systems, as a risk mitigator for both
hardware infant mortality risk as well as what I'll call "minority/obscure" workflow requirements
that got overlooked during the primary transition.
-hh
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:UHD screen was a revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and Windows on the laptop was a plus.
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop
perfect fit for me I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a
HP was eliminated.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build deliver until late December or into January.
but this line is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good
expensive.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not
I have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is
optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art MacI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users
will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me
I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need
W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it
can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than
16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line
is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for
my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is
optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is
a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with
UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied
off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
My settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward
Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have
no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was aI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need
W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it
can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>>>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>>>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>>>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>>>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is
a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with
UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >>>> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
My settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward
Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have
no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has
admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on
Windows.
Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
It could. Looks fine here, no complaints
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard andI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need
W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it
can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than
16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line
is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for
my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is
a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with
UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
My settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you haveBy the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in
no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.
Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard andI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and
Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need
W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it
can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than
16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line
is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display >>>> English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery >>>> 1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for
my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is
a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with
UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
My settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you haveBy the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in
no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.
Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was aI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is >> a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with >> UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
It could. Looks fine here, no complaintsMy settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was aI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is >> a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with >> UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
It could. Looks fine here, no complaintsMy settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
On 12/2/21 4:07 PM, Thomas E. wrote:I do have apps in 4K and they look a little sharper, but not remarkably so at a 24" viewing distance. Can you post a screen shot of Quicken/Windows on your 4K monitor. On my 27" I have to be about a foot away to see a difference. The default Windows zoom
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was aI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and >>>>> Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>>>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>>>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>>>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>>>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. >>>>> Capability wise they look the same.
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to >>>>>> Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators. >>>>>>
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated. >>>>>>
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is >>>> a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new >>>> Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with >>>> UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >>>> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
My settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward
Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have >>> no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has >>> admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on >>> Windows.
Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
It could. Looks fine here, no complaints
If you saw a application optimized for 4k you could tell it.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art Mac >>>> for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware >>>> fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was aI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users >>>> will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience. >>>>
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has >>>> never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior. >>>> Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to
Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators.
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy. >>>>
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated.
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They >>>> are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort >>>> connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding. >>> The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't >>> been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is >>> optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App.
Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is >> a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new
Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with >> UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied >> off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
It could. Looks fine here, no complaintsMy settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art MacI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and >>> Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and >>>> trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it >>>> is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users
will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me >>>> I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as >>>> capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies. >>>>
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to >>>> Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to >>>> guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without, >>>> that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators. >>>>
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were >>>> not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures >>>> and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build >>>> deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated. >>>>
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability >>>> to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than >>>> 16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line >>>> is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI, >>>> good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options
including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell >>>> financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the >>>> laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for >>>> my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac. >>>> If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on
continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with >>> dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is
optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. >>> Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is >> a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new >> Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with >> UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied
off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
He is obviously trolling, he got called out on it and he's doing the expected pranks learned in Trolling 101 as he tries to find what Carroll already has... but it will not work.It could. Looks fine here, no complaintsMy settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you have no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on Windows.By the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
Just bullshit from William Poaster. But William Poaster has completely
left tech behind and is simply holding me accountable for the acts of himself.
Enough already. William Poaster is again trying to push his ego when
he has no skill. He's the dim bulb and his many witless scripts show
this.
The cult-like herd's done a pretty good job with a takeoff of the MaxCliqueDyn
Maximum Clique algorithm to regurgitate posts which are in the form of
ones from a previous post in the group. How would you believe me if you believe there is a possibility that I use shills? That really clicks
for you? This is the current 'model' by those calling themselves 'liberals', you must 'exonerate' yourself, you are no longer presumed innocent, you
are assumed guilty until you stop posting, which is not possible in this time frame.
--
Do not click this link! https://swisscows.com/web?query=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22 https://v5.yc.edu/webtools/search/srchproc.asp https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+carroll+narcissistic+bigot
Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 10:42:11 PM UTC-7, Dustin the dude with the stuck floppy wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:30:31 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 12/2/21 10:28 AM, John wrote:
On 12/1/21 7:33 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 11/20/2021 9:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
First, I really appreciated the chance to use a state-of-the-art MacI have the latest Quicken subscription versions (Home,Business and >>> Rental Property) for both Mac and Windows. You have got to be kidding.
for a couple of weeks. It is truly a beautiful machine. The hardware
fit and finish is top notch. Touch and feel using the keyboard and
trackpad was pretty incredible. The laptop UHD screen was a
revelation. Having Parallels show a Mac desktop on my monitor and >>>> Windows on the laptop was a plus.
Overall, for the purpose for which it was designed I can see why it
is the perfect fit for some, and gets rave reviews from that
intended audience. I have a whole new appreciation for why Mac users
will love this new M1 lineup. While it was not a perfect fit for me
I would have kept it had it not bricked 2 weeks into the experience.
Why not a perfect fit? There are other considerations.
First, I will continue to need one app, Quicken, that is nowhere as
capable in the Mac as the Windows version. Anybody who thinks so has
never explored the full capabilities of the Windows version.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/20798/quicken-mac-review/
explains some of the differences that make the Mac version inferior.
Not the Mac's fault, but I have to live with what Quicken supplies.
Second, neither the Mac nor my current HP offer a clear path to >>>> Windows 11. Like it or not, W11 is the Windows future. If I want to
guarantee a future for the Windows version of Quicken I will need >>>> W11 in a few years.
Third, there are other programs that I want, but can live without,
that are Windows-only. The two major ones are flight simulators. >>>>
So, I've decided to get a fully loaded W11 computer and see if it >>>> can compete with my Mac experience. The search was not quick or easy.
HP: The customer reviews for tricked out Envy and other models were
not very good. Lots of issues with build quality, trackpad failures
and overall performance. Also they are not promising a custom build
deliver until late December or into January. HP was eliminated. >>>>
Lenovo: Lots of ready-to-ship models available, but limited ability
to customize. Their site is not very user friendly either.
LG: LG has focused exclusively on the light and thin Gram line. They
are light and thin! BUT, they have limited USB C ports, CPU
selection, and no SD card slot. I found no UHD screen or more than
16 GB ram options either. Customer reviews were good but this line
is not what I want to compare the M1 Mac to either.
Dell: The XPS line has all the ports I want except USB A and HDMI,
good CPU, hard drive, screen, RAM and other available options >>>> including extended warranty. I spec'd out:
Windows 11 Home
11th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-11900H
NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
32GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x16GB RAM
2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" OLED 3.5K (3456x2160) InfinityEdge Touch Anti-Reflective Display
English keyboard, backlit, Fingerprint Reader
1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C™ with (DisplayPort/PowerDelivery)
2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™) with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
1 3.5mm headphone/microphone combo jack
1 Full size SD card reader v6.0
1 USB C/HDMI adapter cable
Accidental Damage Service, 4 Years
Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis, 4 Years
7x24 Technical Support, 4 Years
Estimated ship date 29 Nov with 2 day expedited delivery
$3,071 net cost including sales tax and 10% discount for using Dell
financing
30 day return if not satisfied
The new 27" UHD monitor delivered yesterday has HDMI and DisplayPort
connection options. So, no issues with missing an HDMI port on the
laptop. Like the Mac, I will need to get a USB C/USB A adapter for
my USB hub. Amazon has those and they are not expensive.
The plan is to see if this machine works as well for me as the Mac.
If not, I'll give Apple another shot and hope for the best on >>>> continued Windows/ARM development and Mac M1 compatibility.
Let the complaining begin!
The Windows version looks like Crap on My Dell 32 in 4k display with
dull unsharp fuzzy fonts and all. Crude 32 bit App that really hasn't
been updated in years. The Mac Version looks outstanding because it is
optimized for high resolution displays and is a modern 64 bit App. >>> Capability wise they look the same.
You are flat wrong about Windows Quicken on a hi-res monitor. Here is
a screenshot of Quicken running Windows 11 in full screen on my new >> Dell Monitor at 3840x2160 60 Hz. The computer is a Dell XPS 9510 with
UHD 4k OLED screen.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rEZpGVv6b2UR1L4EqFZFN4JW5K-eaFAu/view?usp=sharing
Nothing fuzzy about that.
Monitor settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C7sg9t9YYC6LrWFlpho3jj9N3NWsQQ99/view?usp=sharing
It's a Dell 27 4K UHD Monitor - S2721QS, 68.47 cm (27.0”), 4K (copied
off the order specs)
Check your settings. I'm running Quicken Premier.
He is obviously trolling, he got called out on it and he's doing the expected pranks learned in Trolling 101 as he tries to find what Carroll already has... but it will not work.It could. Looks fine here, no complaintsMy settings are correct. There is a vast difference in the backward Quicken compared to applications optimized for 4k. Apparently you haveBy the way my monitor settings are the same. Except I am using a 32 in Dell monitor which makes it more apparent.
no such applications to compare to. And by the way Quicken support has
admitted to me the application has not been updated for 4k monitor on
Windows.
Just bullshit from William Poaster. But William Poaster has completely left tech behind and is simply holding me accountable for the acts of himself.
Enough already. William Poaster is again trying to push his ego when
he has no skill. He's the dim bulb and his many witless scripts show
this.
The cult-like herd's done a pretty good job with a takeoff of the MaxCliqueDyn
Maximum Clique algorithm to regurgitate posts which are in the form of ones from a previous post in the group. How would you believe me if you believe there is a possibility that I use shills? That really clicks
for you? This is the current 'model' by those calling themselves 'liberals',
you must 'exonerate' yourself, you are no longer presumed innocent, you are assumed guilty until you stop posting, which is not possible in this time frame.
--Here are some of the scripted posts from Jonas Eklundh... the script adds
Do not click this link! https://swisscows.com/web?query=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22 https://v5.yc.edu/webtools/search/srchproc.asp https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+carroll+narcissistic+bigot
Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
a nonsense or irrelevant insult or accusation after most sentences and
adds numbers to the text so he can better track his trolling:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/VcEqOk2qCgAJ>
or <https://goo.gl/67NLfr>.
You can see a run of three scripted flood posts from his primary account.
From: Sandman <m...@sandman.net>
Message-ID: <sandman-b7df8761d3b6...@individual.net>
X-Trace: individual.net +MPBYFbnugFd2iPraU5I9ABV/5ZlNHtqj79Ij19mAYCfL5sHI= User-Agent: Sandmania 2.0
He also has them elsewhere, here are some examples:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Xetqyi1T0F0/cvoqp3eqCgAJ>
OR <https://goo.gl/jy0rsr>.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/10d0Emx_ABk/eN0r1_epCgAJ>
OR <https://goo.gl/Rkz0PO>.
On that one he has a run of two.
And a longer and clearly scripted, content-free flood post:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/2WS3xlecnw8/lizfGLOnCgAJ>
OR <https://goo.gl/t7cTHd>.
And even more!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/cYutxNP1hWc/KZikieXECgAJ>
OR <https://goo.gl/Z6G7Ic>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/6sJfxaDECgAJ>
OR <https://goo.gl/mTXlFt>
Lots more but that is enough to prove the point multiple times over.
Sandman has been flooding not just with his Google accounts but with his standard account. ALL of those come from the same source I listed above
and it is Sandman's standard account.
Jonas Eklundh: busted.
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