• Why Mac OS still falls short in a few areas

    From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 12 14:26:57 2021
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an App for that.

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 12 14:42:22 2021
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the
    last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an
    App for that.

    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?


    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.

    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU thought
    it should be, don't you, Idiot?


    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I
    can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click
    Copy. Not in Mac OS.

    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>

    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.


    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and
    in the Office App commands??? Confusing.

    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.


    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly
    select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that
    useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.

    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac and
    Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.


    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data
    loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.

    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?


    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 13 08:32:52 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the
    last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an
    App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU thought
    it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I
    can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click
    Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>

    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and
    in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly
    select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that
    useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data
    loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app
    commands are always in the same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys are in a different place from the Mac's.
    Except for the extra F keys my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key combinations like Fn
    up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great for a machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only
    they would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 08:49:27 2021
    On 2021-11-13 8:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access
    the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You
    need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings,
    Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU
    thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In
    Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I
    need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection
    with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>



    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar
    and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to
    randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I
    cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac
    and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a
    data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the
    System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a
    miserable fail.

    The settings you claim are "spread out" are for different things, Idiot.

    The fact that you happened to be used to them being grouped doesn't mean
    that's the only logical way.


    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command
    in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    It's a command you use very rarely in very important real estate.

    I own half a dozen USB thumb drives. I don't recall the last time I
    wanted to erase one, Idiot.


    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native
    Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu
    bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing
    and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app commands are always in
    the same place - the app.

    Indeed, Idiot.

    And why shouldn't commands be duplicated, Idiot? Commands are duplicated
    in the right-click menu. That's the whole point of it.

    But I do like the "no true Scotsman" fallacy you threw in there.


    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer
    too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more
    obvious than changing the color of a selected item.

    Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make it better.


    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check
    for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.

    You never noticing a problem is not to say that there can't BE problems,
    Idiot.

    And you've carefully avoided answering the question of why the command
    exists for Windows if it is so easy.


    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different
    from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace
    keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys
    are in a different place from the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys
    my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why
    does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a
    larger keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires
    memorizing key combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great for a
    machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become
    so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has
    never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a
    web page or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know
    how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key
    combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I
    suppose.

    Ironic you suddenly see that "normal for someone" doesn't actually mean "intuitive", Idiot. You had such trouble a couple of paragraphs ago.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 13 09:06:45 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:49:37 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 8:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access
    the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You
    need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings,
    Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU
    thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In
    Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I
    need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection
    with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>



    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar
    and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to
    randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I
    cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac
    and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a
    data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the
    System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a
    miserable fail.
    The settings you claim are "spread out" are for different things, Idiot.

    The fact that you happened to be used to them being grouped doesn't mean that's the only logical way.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command
    in a context menu is indeed falling short.
    It's a command you use very rarely in very important real estate.

    I own half a dozen USB thumb drives. I don't recall the last time I
    wanted to erase one, Idiot.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native
    Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu
    bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing
    and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app commands are always in
    the same place - the app.
    Indeed, Idiot.

    And why shouldn't commands be duplicated, Idiot? Commands are duplicated
    in the right-click menu. That's the whole point of it.

    But I do like the "no true Scotsman" fallacy you threw in there.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer
    too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected item.
    Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make it better.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check
    for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.
    You never noticing a problem is not to say that there can't BE problems, Idiot.

    And you've carefully avoided answering the question of why the command
    exists for Windows if it is so easy.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different
    from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace
    keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys
    are in a different place from the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys
    my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why
    does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a
    larger keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires
    memorizing key combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great for a
    machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become
    so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has
    never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a
    web page or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know
    how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I
    suppose.
    Ironic you suddenly see that "normal for someone" doesn't actually mean "intuitive", Idiot. You had such trouble a couple of paragraphs ago.

    LOL "Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make it better." is you complaining about Windows!!!!!!

    The close drives command exists, but why? If you don't use it nothing bad happens.

    Commands are duplicated in the context menus, but in a very different place and purpose. Not confusing, very useful.

    I need to erase SD cards on a very regular basis. We use them to update aircraft GPS databases every 28 days. Jeppeson expects you to use a blank SD card with a FAT format for the download.

    I note you dodged my keyboard issues.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 09:47:12 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 12:06:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:

    I need to erase SD cards on a very regular basis. We use them to
    update aircraft GPS databases every 28 days. Jeppeson expects
    you to use a blank SD card with a FAT format for the download.

    Seems like a reasonable approach for them, but I’d venture to say that
    my own use of SD’s is a much more common use case: used in a digital camera, and card formatting is done in the camera.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 09:40:29 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 12:06:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:49:37 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

    on a
    web page or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know
    how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.
    Ironic you suddenly see that "normal for someone" doesn't actually mean "intuitive", Idiot. You had such trouble a couple of paragraphs ago.
    LOL "Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make it better." is you complaining about Windows!!!!!!

    The close drives command exists, but why? If you don't use it nothing bad happens.

    Commands are duplicated in the context menus, but in a very different place and purpose. Not confusing, very useful.

    I need to erase SD cards on a very regular basis. We use them to update aircraft GPS databases every 28 days. Jeppeson expects you to use a blank SD card with a FAT format for the download.

    I note you dodged my keyboard issues.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 11:58:24 2021
    On 2021-11-13 9:06 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:49:37 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 8:32 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in
    others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to
    access the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the
    last copy. You need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it
    on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings,
    Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU
    thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In
    Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS
    I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a
    selection with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>





    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS
    bar and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to
    randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I
    cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both
    Mac and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect
    from external storage devices and not "Eject" them first?
    NEVER had a data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the
    System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a
    miserable fail.
    The settings you claim are "spread out" are for different things,
    Idiot.

    The fact that you happened to be used to them being grouped doesn't
    mean that's the only logical way.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful
    command in a context menu is indeed falling short.
    It's a command you use very rarely in very important real estate.

    I own half a dozen USB thumb drives. I don't recall the last time
    I wanted to erase one, Idiot.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a
    native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app
    and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for
    commands is confusing and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app
    commands are always in the same place - the app.
    Indeed, Idiot.

    And why shouldn't commands be duplicated, Idiot? Commands are
    duplicated in the right-click menu. That's the whole point of it.

    But I do like the "no true Scotsman" fallacy you threw in there.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File
    Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The
    are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected
    item.
    Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make it
    better.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows
    without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the
    OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to
    cause an issue.
    You never noticing a problem is not to say that there can't BE
    problems, Idiot.

    And you've carefully avoided answering the question of why the
    command exists for Windows if it is so easy.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so
    different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete
    and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19,
    and the arrow keys are in a different place from the Mac's.
    Except for the extra F keys my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If
    those keys are so useful why does the Mac omit them???? The 16"
    Pro has plenty of room for a larger keyboard. To get those
    missing key commands requires memorizing key combinations like Fn
    up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and missing basic
    functionality is not so great for a machine that is supposed to
    be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to
    become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone
    who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page
    down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only they
    would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to
    find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's
    "intuitive" I suppose.
    Ironic you suddenly see that "normal for someone" doesn't actually
    mean "intuitive", Idiot. You had such trouble a couple of
    paragraphs ago.

    LOL "Again, Idiot: you being used to something different doesn't make
    it better." is you complaining about Windows!!!!!!

    Nope. My complaints have been rational, Idiot.

    Microsoft has made a hash of creating its new app "Settings", because
    Settings alone won't let you get done all you need to do. Apple
    conceptualizing something like changing the cursor size as an
    accessibility feature is a rational CHOICE.

    Word providing a command called "PasteTextOnly" and then not having it
    paste plain text is a JOKE.


    The close drives command exists, but why? If you don't use it nothing
    bad happens.

    Do you see the contradiction inherent in what you just wrote, Idiot?

    Or at the very least that Microsoft has been idiotic in providing a
    command that is (according to an idiot) completely unnecessary?


    Commands are duplicated in the context menus, but in a very different
    place and purpose. Not confusing, very useful.

    No one else in the world finds that so.

    Mac OS has had menus as well as some common commands in the title bar
    for... ...forever, Idiot.


    I need to erase SD cards on a very regular basis. We use them to
    update aircraft GPS databases every 28 days. Jeppeson expects you to
    use a blank SD card with a FAT format for the download.

    1. It's "Jeppesen" with a terminal "ed", not "o", Idiot. I'm not a
    licensed pilot and I knew that.

    2. "Blank" doesn't mean "just erased". It means that all the files and
    folders on the drive have been deleted.


    I note you dodged my keyboard issues.

    Again: choices you don't agree with aren't automatically wrong, Idiot.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Sat Nov 13 12:47:07 2021
    On 2021-11-13 12:19 p.m., John wrote:
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the
    last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an
    App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU thought
    it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I
    can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk
    Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click
    Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>


    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and
    in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly
    select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that
    useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac and
    Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data
    loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the System
    Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a
    miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command in
    a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native
    Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu
    bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing
    and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app commands are always in the
    same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer
    too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more
    obvious than changing the color of a selected item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without
    disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check
    for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different
    from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace
    keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys
    are in a different place from the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys
    my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why
    does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger
    keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key
    combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and
    missing basic functionality is not so great for a machine that is
    supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become
    so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never
    used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page
    or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know how to
    "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations.
    If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not being enabled
    in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse has right click
    functionality built in.  Why on earth does Apple do that?  So stupid and dumbass.

    I mostly agree.

    It's long past the time when people didn't understand what a right-click
    was.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 12:19:13 2021
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the
    last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an
    App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU thought
    it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I
    can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk
    Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click
    Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>

    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and
    in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly
    select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that
    useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac and
    Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data
    loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the System Tray. >>
    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app
    commands are always in the same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys are in a different place from the Mac's.
    Except for the extra F keys my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key combinations like Fn
    up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great for a machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only
    they would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not being enabled
    in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse has right click
    functionality built in. Why on earth does Apple do that? So stupid and dumbass.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 13 19:48:37 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 12:19 p.m., John wrote:
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to access the
    last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the last copy. You need an >>>> App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across two
    completely separate applications--Control Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where YOU thought >>> it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In Windows I >>>> can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac OS I need to use Disk >>>> Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a selection with Right-Click
    Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>


    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS bar and
    in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to randomly
    select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I cannot find that
    useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both Mac and
    Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect from
    external storage devices and not "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data >>>> loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the System
    Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is a
    miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful command in
    a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a native
    Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app and the menu
    bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for commands is confusing
    and inconsistent among apps. In Windows app commands are always in the
    same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File Explorer
    too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with. The are also more
    obvious than changing the color of a selected item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows without
    disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for the OS to check
    for activity and abort the shutdown if it's going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so different
    from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both delete and backspace
    keys, page up, page down, home, end, F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys
    are in a different place from the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys
    my HP has all of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why
    does the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger
    keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key
    combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware inconsistency and
    missing basic functionality is not so great for a machine that is
    supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become
    so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never
    used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page
    or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know how to
    "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations.
    If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not being enabled
    in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse has right click
    functionality built in. Why on earth does Apple do that? So stupid and dumbass.
    I mostly agree.

    It's long past the time when people didn't understand what a right-click
    was.

    Yes, Apple finally caught up to Windows 2000 context menus some years ago. Even started allowing resizing windows from any edge or corner and now works better than Windows in some respects.

    But there are Windows features worth imitating. Of course the real reason I made the post was to pull your rabid Apple defense of chain. Worked like a charm.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 13 22:08:25 2021
    On 2021-11-13 7:48 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 12:19 p.m., John wrote:
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in
    others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to
    access the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the
    last copy. You need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it
    on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across
    two completely separate applications--Control Panel and
    Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where
    YOU thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In
    Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac
    OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a
    selection with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>




    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS
    bar and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to
    randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I
    cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both
    Mac and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect
    from external storage devices and not "Eject" them first?
    NEVER had a data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the
    System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is
    a miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful
    command in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a
    native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app
    and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for
    commands is confusing and inconsistent among apps. In Windows
    app commands are always in the same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File
    Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with.
    The are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected
    item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows
    without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for
    the OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if it's
    going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so
    different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both
    delete and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end, F
    Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys are in a different place from
    the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys my HP has all of the
    Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why does the Mac omit
    them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger keyboard.
    To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key
    combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware
    inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great
    for a machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end
    user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to
    become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone
    who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply
    page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard
    only they would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I
    do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac
    for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not being
    enabled in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse has right
    click functionality built in. Why on earth does Apple do that?
    So stupid and dumbass.
    I mostly agree.

    It's long past the time when people didn't understand what a
    right-click was.

    Yes, Apple finally caught up to Windows 2000 context menus some years
    ago. Even started allowing resizing windows from any edge or corner
    and now works better than Windows in some respects.

    Windows 2000 initial release date: February 17, 2000


    But there are Windows features worth imitating. Of course the real
    reason I made the post was to pull your rabid Apple defense of chain.
    Worked like a charm.




    First version of Mac OS with contextual menus: Mac OS 8

    Release date: July 26, 1997.

    Idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Nov 14 06:50:43 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:08:28 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 7:48 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 12:19 p.m., John wrote:
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in
    others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to
    access the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only the
    last copy. You need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and turn it
    on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered across
    Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered across
    two completely separate applications--Control Panel and
    Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't where
    YOU thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows. In
    Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click. In Mac
    OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I can copy a
    selection with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>




    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in the OS
    bar and in the Office App commands??? Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box to
    randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file lists. I
    cannot find that useful and intuitive feature in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across both
    Mac and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you disconnect
    from external storage devices and not "Eject" them first?
    NEVER had a data loss in Windows, but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in the
    System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too" is
    a miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very useful
    command in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder, a
    native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between the app
    and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2 places for
    commands is confusing and inconsistent among apps. In Windows
    app commands are always in the same place - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File
    Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work with.
    The are also more obvious than changing the color of a selected
    item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows
    without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious for
    the OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if it's
    going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac OS
    shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so
    different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both
    delete and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end, F
    Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys are in a different place from
    the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys my HP has all of the
    Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why does the Mac omit
    them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a larger keyboard.
    To get those missing key commands requires memorizing key
    combinations like Fn up arrow for page up. Hardware
    inconsistency and missing basic functionality is not so great
    for a machine that is supposed to be so "intuitive" to the end
    user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to
    become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone
    who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply
    page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard
    only they would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I
    do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac
    for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not being
    enabled in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse has right
    click functionality built in. Why on earth does Apple do that?
    So stupid and dumbass.
    I mostly agree.

    It's long past the time when people didn't understand what a
    right-click was.

    Yes, Apple finally caught up to Windows 2000 context menus some years
    ago. Even started allowing resizing windows from any edge or corner
    and now works better than Windows in some respects.
    Windows 2000 initial release date: February 17, 2000

    But there are Windows features worth imitating. Of course the real
    reason I made the post was to pull your rabid Apple defense of chain. Worked like a charm.

    First version of Mac OS with contextual menus: Mac OS 8

    Release date: July 26, 1997.

    Idiot.
    I mentioned W2000 above but after finding a copy of the W95 user manual I was reminded that context menus came to Windows OS 2 years Mac OS 8. File Manager was also already light years ahead of Finder at that time.

    And yes, there were lots of issues with layering a GUI on top of 16 bit DOS and it’s many limitations. But it was a step toward 32 bit Windows 2000.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 14 09:38:53 2021
    Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never used
    a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know how to "Fn down
    arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.

    The same can be said for Windows. In fact, there is nothing at all “intuitive” about Windows, other than some people have been using it all their lives.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Nov 14 08:27:16 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 10:39:00 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone who has never used
    a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only they would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's "intuitive" I suppose.
    The same can be said for Windows. In fact, there is nothing at all “intuitive” about Windows, other than some people have been using it all their lives.

    EXACTLY my point too. If you gave someone Windows that had never used a computer would they know how to access the most recent Word docs with a right button click on Word's taskbar icon? Not likely. But after you see that you get the idea that the right
    mouse button can be very useful and it becomes "intuitive".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 14 10:22:31 2021
    On 2021-11-14 8:27 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 10:39:00 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell
    wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem to
    become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If someone
    who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked to simply page
    down on a web page or Word document using the keyboard only they
    would not know how to "Fn down arrow" right away. I do Google to
    find the key combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's
    "intuitive" I suppose.
    The same can be said for Windows. In fact, there is nothing at all
    “intuitive” about Windows, other than some people have been using
    it all their lives.

    EXACTLY my point too. If you gave someone Windows that had never used
    a computer would they know how to access the most recent Word docs
    with a right button click on Word's taskbar icon? Not likely. But
    after you see that you get the idea that the right mouse button can
    be very useful and it becomes "intuitive".


    But if you had a set of menus across the top and someone told you that
    every command of the software was there in plain English (or whatever
    language you needed), you'd have a fighting chance.

    The consistency of the menu bar in MacOS is a huge strength, Idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 14 10:20:33 2021
    On 2021-11-14 6:50 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:08:28 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 7:48 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-13 12:19 p.m., John wrote:
    On 11/13/21 8:32 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:42:24 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Mac OS is so capable in many areas, but so lacking in
    others.

    Copy/Paste: Windows allows you to use Windows/Paste to
    access the last few Copy commands. Mac OS allows only
    the last copy. You need an App for that.
    You mean Windows has that if you go into Settings and
    turn it on.

    How many people have done that, Idiot?

    Mac OS Mouse and Keyboard settings are scattered
    across Mouse/Keyboard and Accessibility controls.
    Windows controls for... ...everything are scattered
    across two completely separate applications--Control
    Panel and Settings, Idiot.

    And by "scattered" you mean that "cursor size" isn't
    where YOU thought it should be, don't you, Idiot?

    Right Click options are much more limited than Windows.
    In Windows I can format a SD card with a right-click.
    In Mac OS I need to use Disk Utility. In Windows Word I
    can copy a selection with Right-Click Copy. Not in Mac
    OS.
    Are you sure about that, Idiot?

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdE19L8TKtVjgO8Uto7H4QqcZ7w9XJR8/view?usp=sharing>






    And making different choices about what should be in a short menu is
    hardly "falling short", Idiot.

    Again in Office, why are some commands duplicated in
    the OS bar and in the Office App commands???
    Confusing.
    And who is responsible for that?

    Not Mac OS, Idiot.

    Windows has the option to use a File Explorer check box
    to randomly select files anywhere in OS and apps file
    lists. I cannot find that useful and intuitive feature
    in Mac OS.
    Just command click... ...as has been the standard across
    both Mac and Windows for... ...forever... ...Idiot.

    Why does Mac OS continue to remind you if you
    disconnect from external storage devices and not
    "Eject" them first? NEVER had a data loss in Windows,
    but that is the excuse.
    And yet, Windows has a "Safely Remove Hardware" widget in
    the System Tray.

    They put that in just for fun, did they?

    I'll come up with a few more I'm sure.

    Mouse settings? Making excuses like "Windows does that too"
    is a miserable fail.

    Format SD card? Falling short? Falling to put a very
    useful command in a context menu is indeed falling short.

    HMMM, my mistake on the Word right-click. However Finder,
    a native Apple app, also has duplicated commands between
    the app and the menu bar. The whole concept of having 2
    places for commands is confusing and inconsistent among
    apps. In Windows app commands are always in the same place
    - the app.

    File select? Of course command-Click works in Windows File
    Explorer too. The check boxes are a lot easier to work
    with. The are also more obvious than changing the color of
    a selected item.

    I repeat, I have never had an issue shutting down Windows
    without disconnecting external storage. Should be obvious
    for the OS to check for activity and abort the shutdown if
    it's going to cause an issue.

    All-in-all you just continue to make lame excuses for Mac
    OS shortcomings.

    So here is another one. Why is my Apple Magic Keyboard so
    different from the Mac's? Magic has a numeric keypad, both
    delete and backspace keys, page up, page down, home, end,
    F Keys 13-19, and the arrow keys are in a different place
    from the Mac's. Except for the extra F keys my HP has all
    of the Magic's keys. If those keys are so useful why does
    the Mac omit them???? The 16" Pro has plenty of room for a
    larger keyboard. To get those missing key commands requires
    memorizing key combinations like Fn up arrow for page up.
    Hardware inconsistency and missing basic functionality is
    not so great for a machine that is supposed to be so
    "intuitive" to the end user.

    It is amazing how things that are not intuitive at all seem
    to become so after you get accustomed to how they work. If
    someone who has never used a Mac was handed one and asked
    to simply page down on a web page or Word document using
    the keyboard only they would not know how to "Fn down
    arrow" right away. I do Google to find the key
    combinations. If you have used a Mac for years it's
    "intuitive" I suppose.



    My favorite "Mac falls short" is the right mouse click not
    being enabled in a new Mac. Even though the included mouse
    has right click functionality built in. Why on earth does
    Apple do that? So stupid and dumbass.
    I mostly agree.

    It's long past the time when people didn't understand what a
    right-click was.

    Yes, Apple finally caught up to Windows 2000 context menus some
    years ago. Even started allowing resizing windows from any edge
    or corner and now works better than Windows in some respects.
    Windows 2000 initial release date: February 17, 2000

    But there are Windows features worth imitating. Of course the
    real reason I made the post was to pull your rabid Apple defense
    of chain. Worked like a charm.

    First version of Mac OS with contextual menus: Mac OS 8

    Release date: July 26, 1997.

    Idiot.
    I mentioned W2000 above but after finding a copy of the W95 user
    manual I was reminded that context menus came to Windows OS 2 years
    Mac OS 8. File Manager was also already light years ahead of Finder
    at that time.

    "Windows OS 2 years Mac OS 8", Idiot? That's not even parseable, Idiot.

    And going out and discovering after the fact that Windows 95 had them
    doesn't make your initial misstatement any brighter.

    And neither Mac OS nor Windows were first with context menus anyway.


    And yes, there were lots of issues with layering a GUI on top of 16
    bit DOS and it’s many limitations. But it was a step toward 32 bit
    Windows 2000.

    Spare us all, please.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Nov 16 11:44:38 2021
    On 2021-11-13 9:47 a.m., -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 12:06:47 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:

    I need to erase SD cards on a very regular basis. We use them to
    update aircraft GPS databases every 28 days. Jeppeson expects
    you to use a blank SD card with a FAT format for the download.

    Seems like a reasonable approach for them, but I’d venture to say that
    my own use of SD’s is a much more common use case: used in a digital camera, and card formatting is done in the camera.

    It's yet another absurd attempt to frame as a problem the lack of a
    shortcut to an operation he doesn't even need to do.

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