• More Mac OS fun!

    From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 4 16:52:15 2021
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few minutes of Google research and some System Preference
    fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.

    Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?

    Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.

    Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is nice, but not nice enough to give up a few
    Windows apps I like better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other products.

    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many
    other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.

    In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet. They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch
    wider and slightly thicker.

    Have a great weekend.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Nov 4 19:53:44 2021
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.

    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)


    Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately
    on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?

    You mean in a virtual machine? Easy.


    Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both
    appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand
    from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS
    screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.

    Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft
    drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking
    at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is
    nice, but not nice enough to give up a few Windows apps I like
    better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple
    committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to
    keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other
    products.

    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even
    install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops
    up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere
    to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are
    not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some
    interesting tweaks.

    In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a
    shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet.
    They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost
    exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch wider and slightly
    thicker.

    Have a great weekend.


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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 5 08:26:22 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)

    Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately
    on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?
    You mean in a virtual machine? Easy.

    Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both
    appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand
    from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.

    Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft
    drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking
    at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is
    nice, but not nice enough to give up a few Windows apps I like
    better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to
    keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other
    products.

    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even
    install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops
    up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere
    to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are
    not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some
    interesting tweaks.

    In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a
    shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet.
    They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost
    exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch wider and slightly
    thicker.

    Have a great weekend.


    Right, the HP did need one switch thrown. Wake from sleep with keyboard in Device Manager. I recall that now. Sleep on lid close was a default. On the Mac I had to go through several iterations and some research to make it happen.

    I would be glad to have the Mac screen on if I could figure out how to have the Windows VM on one screen and MAC OS on the other. Research has not yielded an answer. Care to supply a link so I can make it happen?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 5 09:45:19 2021
    On 2021-11-05 8:26 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

    Have a great weekend.


    Right, the HP did need one switch thrown. Wake from sleep with
    keyboard in Device Manager. I recall that now. Sleep on lid close was
    a default. On the Mac I had to go through several iterations and some research to make it happen.

    I would be glad to have the Mac screen on if I could figure out how
    to have the Windows VM on one screen and MAC OS on the other.
    Research has not yielded an answer. Care to supply a link so I can
    make it happen?

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Do you know what the difference is between mirroring displays and
    extending the desktop?

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  • From ed@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 5 10:21:21 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)

    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 5 11:12:36 2021
    On 2021-11-05 10:21 a.m., ed wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
    otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
    standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)

    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.


    Dude:

    He is EXPLICITLY asking to do just that.

    "Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on
    the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?"

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  • From ed@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 5 11:22:36 2021
    On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 2:12:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-05 10:21 a.m., ed wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
    otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
    standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)

    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.

    Dude:

    He is EXPLICITLY asking to do just that.
    "Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on
    the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?"

    Dude: I'm answering the question you asked about why one might want to.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 5 17:56:49 2021
    On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 2:12:44 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-05 10:21 a.m., ed wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or >>> otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had >> to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the >> standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)

    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.

    Dude:

    He is EXPLICITLY asking to do just that.
    "Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on
    the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?"

    And, I figured it out. I was just asking the wrong question.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204948

    That was so obvious, but the Google/Apple top line result was not correct. A simple extrapolation was made to just drag a Mac OS window to the laptop is all it requires AFTER setting the Mac screen to Extended Display. Pretty cool, not sure how useful it'
    s going to be.

    No resizing was required. Mac OS window on the left, Parallels VM on the right.

    Proof

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1adxfGSV-kKOjeqFRh_1Vj9fpsSM-ULMP/view?usp=sharing

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 6 22:16:11 2021
    Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
    it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
    product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
    What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.

    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
    activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 7 04:56:15 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:52:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few minutes of Google research and some System
    Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.

    Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?

    Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.

    Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is nice, but not nice enough to give up a few
    Windows apps I like better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other products.

    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many
    other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.

    In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet. They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch
    wider and slightly thicker.

    Have a great weekend.

    Another thought on Windows on the M1. MS has a Windows 365 “cloud VM” now, and that would work for the Windows apps I really need. Anybody tried that on a Mac yet?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Nov 7 04:32:09 2021
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
    it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of "major shortcomings"
    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key will unlock additional features.
    Anybody know if that is true or not? That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Nov 7 04:36:09 2021
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
    it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
    activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 7 16:55:30 2021
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
    it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
    product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
    What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
    activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.


    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 7 22:12:23 2021
    Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?


    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Mon Nov 8 05:53:25 2021
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 8 05:54:29 2021
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:56:17 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:52:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few minutes of Google research and some System
    Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.

    Spent some time trying to get Windows and Mac OS running separately on the monitor and MAC screen. Failed. Any insights?

    Figured out how to get my Windows Task Bar and the Dock to both appear in Mac OS. Task Bar is on full time, Dock pops up on demand from the bottom. That plus getting Windows apps to run on the Mac OS screen. Don't need the Windows VM desktop now.

    Did more research into the whole Windows on ARM effort. If Microsoft drops Windows on ARM and the current Beta goes away I may be looking at selling the Mac and buying a Windows 11 laptop. Mac performance is nice, but not nice enough to give up a few
    Windows apps I like better. I doubt that will happen near term, maybe never. With Apple committed to ARM Microsoft would be missing a growing opportunity to keep Mac footprint that might have knock-on effects on other products.

    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the product so as to to activate it. Many
    other features are not available. What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.

    In the meantime I am not selling my HP. It's currently serving as a shim under the Mac to raise it up a bit off a 2 drawer file cabinet. They (the computers, not the Mac and the file cabinet) are almost exactly the same size. The HP is about an inch
    wider and slightly thicker.

    Have a great weekend.
    Another thought on Windows on the M1. MS has a Windows 365 “cloud VM” now, and that would work for the Windows apps I really need. Anybody tried that on a Mac yet?

    UPDATE: Windows 365 is not an option for a one-off user like me.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 8 05:52:50 2021
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
    activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on >> M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10, where
    the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 8 11:42:28 2021
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install >>>>> a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>>>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an
    activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are
    seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on >>>> M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>> "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10, where
    the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.


    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported
    Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 8 16:52:58 2021
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
    What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>> seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>> "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
    where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?

    Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
    Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.

    https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 8 17:16:01 2021
    On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available. >>>>>>> What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer. >>>>>> That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>>>> "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
    where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported
    Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?

    Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
    Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.

    https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/


    Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 9 23:50:29 2021
    Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? >>> That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do. >>>
    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal >> something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has >> specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for >> Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.

    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Wed Nov 10 08:39:25 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to >> buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 10 08:36:55 2021
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying
    it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the
    product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
    What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel
    MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
    where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported
    Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?

    Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
    Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.

    https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/

    Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.

    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.

    Stop lying Alan. I know, you just cannot admit you are wrong, but at least try.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 09:34:36 2021
    On 2021-11-10 8:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob
    Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I
    cannot even install a calculator. Personalization is
    turned off. A message pops up saying it's not an
    activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy
    the product so as to to activate it. Many other
    features are not available. What I can see works well
    and the UI has some interesting tweaks.
    Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with
    an ARM computer. That you have it installed in a VM on
    an ARM Mac means it is NOT an activated installation.
    There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are seeing
    "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not
    supporting WOA on M1 Macs. What you are doing is the
    same as the folks who install Intel MacOS on non-Apple
    PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of
    "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is
    why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also
    worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an
    answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the
    M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is
    stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the
    same as W10, where the development channel dropped the ARM
    branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it
    supported Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle
    VirtualBox?

    Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is
    definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on
    an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and
    activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install
    the W10 Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks
    for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list
    you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a
    workaround. If you have one let me know.

    https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/



    Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.

    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac
    capabilities and end users.

    No. They are not the same thing.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 09:33:45 2021
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>>>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>>>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not? >>>>> That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>>>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional >>>>> access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>>>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do. >>>>>
    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has >>>> specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for >>>> Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to >>>> buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA >> PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.


    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 16:05:38 2021
    On 11/10/2021 8:36 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-08 5:52 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:55:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-07 4:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:16:17 PM UTC-4, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Windows on ARM OS has some major shortcomings. I cannot even install
    a calculator. Personalization is turned off. A message pops up saying >>>>>>>>> it's not an activated installation. I cannot find anywhere to buy the >>>>>>>>> product so as to to activate it. Many other features are not available.
    What I can see works well and the UI has some interesting tweaks. >>>>>>>> Where did you get WOA install media?

    As far as I know, Windows on ARM is only supplied with an ARM computer.
    That you have it installed in a VM on an ARM Mac means it is NOT an >>>>>>>> activated installation. There is no "product" to buy. Thus, you are >>>>>>>> seeing "major shortcomings".

    Also, note that MS has stated they are specifically not supporting WOA on
    M1 Macs. What you are doing is the same as the folks who install Intel >>>>>>>> MacOS on non-Apple PCs. It is NOT supported and there are all kinds of >>>>>>>> "major shortcomings"

    PS, pretty sure that the M1 is based on ARM, so that is why the ARM version works on a M1 Mac. W10 preview also worked on the M1.

    Apple's CPUs use the ARM ISA.

    So I posed the question on a Microsoft W11 forum. I got an answer. Bob is correct, MS is not supporting Windows on the M1 Mac. I works fine. But until it's supported the M1 is stuck in the Developer Channel version of W11. That's the same as W10,
    where the development channel dropped the ARM branch when W11 picked it up. Sucks big time.

    And this is surprising... ...how?

    Would you care to point out where Microsoft has ever said it supported >>>> Windows on Parallels, or VMWare Fusion, or Oracle VirtualBox?

    Not sure what you mean by "said it supported" but it is definitely possible to install and activate W10 (maybe W11?) on an Intel Mac. It is not currently possible to install and activate W10 or W11 on the M1 Macs. It was possible to install the W10
    Preview while is was around, but that is gone. MS checks for the processor and if it is ARM and not on their short list you cannot get to the ISO though their site. There may be a workaround. If you have one let me know.

    https://www.parallels.com/blogs/install-windows-10-parallels-desktop/

    Not blocking something is not the same thing as supporting it.

    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.

    Stop lying Alan. I know, you just cannot admit you are wrong, but at least try.


    I have always wished Alan would learn how to admit it when Apple screws
    up - rather than just dig in deeper. It would make for more effective
    Mac advocacy.

    I for one applaud Apple for admitting its Tab redesign in the Mac, and
    IOS versions of Safari was a POS implementation. They actually removed
    it for the final release of Mac OS 12, and took it out of IOS 15. What
    an improvement!

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 10 17:33:21 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>> unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 17:48:17 2021
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was >>>>>>> surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product >>>>>>> key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If >>>>>>> so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal >>>>>>> anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>>>> will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>> unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA >>>> PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.

    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.


    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.

    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 10 17:34:13 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>> will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>> unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?


    OOPS! I meant Microsoft.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 18:55:01 2021
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key >>>>>>>> will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>>>> unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.

    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.

    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
    thing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 10 18:28:32 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do >>>>>>> offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to >>>>>> fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to >>>>>> unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.

    Copied from prior comment.

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 10 20:10:40 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 22:47:53 2021
    Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

    <Huge snip of stuff we have all read 10 times already>

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.

    For obvious reasons.

    Windows is clearly in decline. MS is already embarrassed enough by
    (trying) to sell an Android phone AND pushing Android and Linux apps on
    Windows 11 in a desperate, last ditch effort to keep Windows relevant.

    The last thing MS wants - not to mention HP, Lenovo and Dell - is Apple hardware being the absolute fastest WOA PCs.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 10 21:55:12 2021
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to >>>>>>>>>>> install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only >>>>>>>>>> applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS >>>>>>>> simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
    thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!


    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
    for help if things go wrong.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Nov 11 14:23:29 2021
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>
    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
    thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
    for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this, Parallels offers no Windows support.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Nov 11 14:25:21 2021
    On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5,
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5,
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview
    program and offers to install W11 ARM
    preview. I knew ahead of time that it is
    limited. I was surprised by just how limited.
    W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key
    will unlock additional features. Anybody know
    if that is true or not? That is, are the
    locked out features in the OS and available
    or not? If so can I buy a copy of Windows for
    the activation key and get additional access?
    I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not
    trying to steal anything. MS does not demand
    W11 activation for the install. They do offer
    to allow activation later. That’s exactly
    what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being
    so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that
    you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product.
    You can ONLY get it to fully function when you
    buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
    Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
    Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
    Product Key will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
    register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically
    stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images
    from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can
    install these and use whatever product key you
    have to unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully
    functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based
    PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting
    M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be
    embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC
    is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
    approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it.
    They could charge to activate it. No issue with that
    here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it
    and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
    processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like
    W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon 8cx:
    Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G,
    HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron 8c or 7c:
    Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo
    Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2,
    Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E Snapdragon 45
    and 855 chip devices Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on
    their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not
    Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue.
    Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question
    with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS could
    have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They
    allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and
    end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
    supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
    Microsoft for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered Windows
    install and with that help from MS. I do know this, Parallels offers
    no Windows support.


    But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they don't
    block it from running on Parallels, then that means that Parallels
    supports Windows.

    Explain this contradiction, Idiot.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 08:58:00 2021
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5,
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5,
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview
    program and offers to install W11 ARM
    preview. I knew ahead of time that it is
    limited. I was surprised by just how limited.
    W11 is implying that a valid W10 product key
    will unlock additional features. Anybody know
    if that is true or not? That is, are the
    locked out features in the OS and available
    or not? If so can I buy a copy of Windows for
    the activation key and get additional access?
    I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not
    trying to steal anything. MS does not demand
    W11 activation for the install. They do offer
    to allow activation later. That’s exactly
    what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being
    so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that >>>>>>>>>>>> you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product.
    You can ONLY get it to fully function when you
    buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
    Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
    Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
    Product Key will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
    register at MS. AND Microsoft has specifically
    stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images
    from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel. You can
    install these and use whatever product key you
    have to unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully
    functional WOA, you need to buy an ARM based
    PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting
    M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not want to be
    embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA PC
    is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
    approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it.
    They could charge to activate it. No issue with that
    here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it
    and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
    processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like
    W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon 8cx:
    Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G,
    HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron 8c or 7c:
    Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo
    Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2,
    Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E Snapdragon 45
    and 855 chip devices Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on
    their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not
    Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue.
    Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question
    with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS could
    have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They
    allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and
    end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
    supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
    Microsoft for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this, Parallels offers
    no Windows support.

    But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they don't
    block it from running on Parallels, then that means that Parallels
    supports Windows.

    Explain this contradiction, Idiot.

    Alan,

    <sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows. Let's start over.

    Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows and Linux.

    If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example, W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.

    If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered, authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or
    on an ARM machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather information on Windows running on hardware not
    on their approved list.

    At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider. If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate. Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my
    purchase unless they exclude W11 running on a VM.

    In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1 Mac access to the W11 Insider program.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 12 09:48:41 2021
    On 2021-11-12 8:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM
    UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
    preview program and offers to install W11
    ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
    is limited. I was surprised by just how
    limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
    product key will unlock additional
    features. Anybody know if that is true or
    not? That is, are the locked out features
    in the OS and available or not? If so can
    I buy a copy of Windows for the
    activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that
    happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
    MS does not demand W11 activation for the
    install. They do offer to allow
    activation later. That’s exactly what i
    am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before
    being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state
    that you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
    product. You can ONLY get it to fully
    function when you buy an ARM based Windows
    PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
    Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
    Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
    Product Key will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
    register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting
    M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
    images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
    You can install these and use whatever
    product key you have to unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want
    fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
    ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
    true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not
    supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
    want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
    fastest WOA PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
    approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
    it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
    with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
    it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
    processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
    like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
    8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
    Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
    8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
    513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
    Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
    Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
    on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
    not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
    issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
    question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
    BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
    could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
    solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
    Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
    supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
    Microsoft for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
    Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
    Parallels offers no Windows support.

    But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
    don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
    Parallels supports Windows.

    Explain this contradiction, Idiot.

    Alan,

    <sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
    Let's start over.

    Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows
    and Linux.

    I've never said differently.


    If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version
    of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
    W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.

    No. That is not so, Idiot.

    Parallels allows Windows to run on a registered, authenticated version
    of Parallels.

    Therefore, by your definition of "support", Parallels supports Windows...

    ...because declining to block something from happening is NOT THE SAME
    AS SUPPORTING THAT THING.


    If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered, authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it
    anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
    machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
    machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
    way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider
    program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
    information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
    list.

    But you literally just said that if they allow the software to run at
    all, that is support, Idiot.

    Now you're saying it isn't.


    At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.
    If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
    to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
    Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they
    exclude W11 running on a VM.

    Can you not read the contradictions you've just written, Idiot?


    In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
    Mac access to the W11 Insider program.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 12 13:04:37 2021
    On 2021-11-12 1:00 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 1:21:22 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or
    otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The
    process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the
    standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)
    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.

    That second screen can be very useful. Photo of my Mac running Mac OS on my 27" monitor and Windows 11 on the Mac's screen. Parallels Coherence mode is off.

    Mac mouse, keyboard and data files are all shared.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v7kbJKOadtcHfX5hOtWEqhKlaM4c88CI/view?usp=sharing

    If you want to run both OS and have 2 screens this is nice. Just dragged the VM to the Mac screen.


    And only idiots wouldn't have known that was possible in the year 2021,
    and would have had to go asking around to have someone else tell them...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 12 13:00:29 2021
    On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 1:21:22 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:53:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-04 4:52 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Well, this has been quite a learning experience.

    Figured out getting the Mac to sleep and waking up from sleep with
    just a mouse click (on the external display) without opening it up or otherwise having to have the Mac screen in use. That took a few
    minutes of Google research and some System Preference fiddling. The process was far from intuitive. The HP did that by default.
    Then that happened to be how the HP was shipped. As someone who has had
    to turn on that feature for many people, I can assure you it is not the standard.

    Furthermore, why would you WANT to close a screen you can make use of?

    Or have you never even heard of extending one's desktop?

    :-)
    With large external monitors, adding an open laptop with a different size screen, at different resolution, is often more of a pain in the butt than a benefit, and depending on he space on your desk, may not workout with another keyboard sticking out.

    That second screen can be very useful. Photo of my Mac running Mac OS on my 27" monitor and Windows 11 on the Mac's screen. Parallels Coherence mode is off.

    Mac mouse, keyboard and data files are all shared.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v7kbJKOadtcHfX5hOtWEqhKlaM4c88CI/view?usp=sharing

    If you want to run both OS and have 2 screens this is nice. Just dragged the VM to the Mac screen.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 13:53:31 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:48:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 8:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM
    UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
    preview program and offers to install W11
    ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
    is limited. I was surprised by just how
    limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
    product key will unlock additional
    features. Anybody know if that is true or
    not? That is, are the locked out features
    in the OS and available or not? If so can
    I buy a copy of Windows for the
    activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that
    happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
    MS does not demand W11 activation for the
    install. They do offer to allow
    activation later. That’s exactly what i
    am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before
    being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state
    that you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
    product. You can ONLY get it to fully
    function when you buy an ARM based Windows
    PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
    Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
    Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
    Product Key will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
    register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting
    M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
    images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
    You can install these and use whatever
    product key you have to unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want
    fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
    ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
    true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not
    supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
    want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
    fastest WOA PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
    approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
    it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
    with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
    it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
    processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
    like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
    8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
    Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
    8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
    513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
    Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
    Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
    on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
    not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
    issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
    question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
    BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
    could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
    solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
    Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
    supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
    Microsoft for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
    Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
    Parallels offers no Windows support.

    But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
    don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
    Parallels supports Windows.

    Explain this contradiction, Idiot.

    Alan,

    <sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
    Let's start over.

    Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows
    and Linux.
    I've never said differently.

    If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version
    of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
    W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.
    No. That is not so, Idiot.

    Parallels allows Windows to run on a registered, authenticated version
    of Parallels.

    Therefore, by your definition of "support", Parallels supports Windows...

    ...because declining to block something from happening is NOT THE SAME
    AS SUPPORTING THAT THING.

    If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered, authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it
    anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
    machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
    machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
    way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
    information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
    list.
    But you literally just said that if they allow the software to run at
    all, that is support, Idiot.

    Now you're saying it isn't.

    At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.
    If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
    to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
    Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they exclude W11 running on a VM.
    Can you not read the contradictions you've just written, Idiot?

    In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
    Mac access to the W11 Insider program.


    Do you want me to copy/paste a reply from Parallels support stating that they do not support
    windows issues?+

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 13:59:37 2021
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>
    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>
    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that
    thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
    for help if things go wrong.

    Exactly, which is why I cannot turn to Parallels for Windows support. You are twisting comments out of context.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 12 14:09:02 2021
    On 2021-11-12 1:53 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:48:44 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 8:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 2:23 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM
    UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM
    UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS
    preview program and offers to install W11
    ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it
    is limited. I was surprised by just how
    limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10
    product key will unlock additional
    features. Anybody know if that is true or
    not? That is, are the locked out features
    in the OS and available or not? If so can
    I buy a copy of Windows for the
    activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that
    happen. I’m not trying to steal anything.
    MS does not demand W11 activation for the
    install. They do offer to allow
    activation later. That’s exactly what i
    am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before
    being so critical?

    I am not being “critical”. I did not state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you are trying to steal something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail
    product. You can ONLY get it to fully
    function when you buy an ARM based Windows
    PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock
    Windows 11, but that only applies to Intel
    Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8
    Product Key will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can
    register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting
    M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs
    images from Microsoft, but ONLY for Intel.
    You can install these and use whatever
    product key you have to unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want
    fully functional WOA, you need to buy an
    ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all
    true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not
    supporting M1 Macs. I think MS simply does not
    want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The
    fastest WOA PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could
    approve the full ARM version and allow us to use
    it. They could charge to activate it. No issue
    with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release
    it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM
    processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just
    like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 ) Snapdragon
    8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo
    Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7 Snapdragron
    8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin
    513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE Snapdragon 850:
    Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei
    Matebook E Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not
    on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it,
    not Apple...

    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's
    issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my
    question with "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma,
    BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E. 11:36 AM (10 hours ago) Yes it is Alan. MS
    could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM
    solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting
    Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as
    supporting that thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to
    Microsoft for help if things go wrong.

    And by not blocking it I'm thinking you can get a registered
    Windows install and with that help from MS. I do know this,
    Parallels offers no Windows support.

    But according to you just now, Idiot, you stated that if they
    don't block it from running on Parallels, then that means that
    Parallels supports Windows.

    Explain this contradiction, Idiot.

    Alan,

    <sigh> I already stated that Parallels does not support Windows.
    Let's start over.

    Parallels supports Parallels and not the OS. That applies to Windows
    and Linux.
    I've never said differently.

    If Microsoft allows a VM to run a registered, authenticated, version
    of Windows then Windows supports that registered version. Example,
    W10 running on Parallels on an Intel MacBook or iMac.
    No. That is not so, Idiot.

    Parallels allows Windows to run on a registered, authenticated version
    of Parallels.

    Therefore, by your definition of "support", Parallels supports Windows...

    ...because declining to block something from happening is NOT THE SAME
    AS SUPPORTING THAT THING.

    If Microsoft chooses to exclude hardware from running a registered,
    authenticated, version of Windows and you choose to try and run it
    anyway and you are on your own. Examples; install W11 on an Intel
    machine that has a CPU not approved for the new OS or on an ARM
    machine with a processor not on Microsoft's approved list. The only
    way you can install Windows on the latter is via the Windows Insider
    program. One purpose of that program is apparently to gather
    information on Windows running on hardware not on their approved
    list.
    But you literally just said that if they allow the software to run at
    all, that is support, Idiot.

    Now you're saying it isn't.

    At this time I am running an unsupported ARM W11 version via Insider.
    If and when Microsoft decides to allow the Apple M series CPU access
    to unfettered W11 access I can buy W11, install, and authenticate.
    Then Microsoft has an obligation to support my purchase unless they
    exclude W11 running on a VM.
    Can you not read the contradictions you've just written, Idiot?

    In the meantime I am dependent on Microsoft continuing to allow my M1
    Mac access to the W11 Insider program.


    Do you want me to copy/paste a reply from Parallels support stating that they do not support
    windows issues?+


    Are you really this thick, Idiot?

    YOU stated that if a company (Microsoft) does not block something from happening (installing Windows)...

    ...that that means they support it.

    Now, Idiot, you've just stated the converse.

    Do you need the word "converse" defined for you, Idiot? No?

    Your position is now that although Parallels doesn't prevent you from installing Windows, they can still be said not to support it.

    Do you see how those two position are in direct conflict, Idiot?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 12 14:11:23 2021
    On 2021-11-12 1:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC.

    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs.

    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap. >>>>>> So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>>>
    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that >>>> thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft
    for help if things go wrong.

    Exactly, which is why I cannot turn to Parallels for Windows support. You are twisting comments out of context.


    No, Idiot.

    I'm noting that you are claiming two mutually contradictory positions.

    1. If Microsoft doesn't block you from installing Windows on something,
    that means they support that Windows on that platform.

    2. If Parallels doesn't block you from installing Windows in their VM,
    that can still mean they DON'T support doing so.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 13 08:56:45 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:11:25 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 1:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:55:15 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 8:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-10 6:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2021-11-10 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2021-11-10 8:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:12:29 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Bob,

    Parallels 17 has you enroll in the MS preview program and offers to
    install W11 ARM preview. I knew ahead of time that it is limited. I was
    surprised by just how limited. W11 is implying that a valid W10 product
    key will unlock additional features. Anybody know if that is true or not?
    That is, are the locked out features in the OS and available or not? If
    so can I buy a copy of Windows for the activation key and get additional
    access? I’m very happy to make that happen. I’m not trying to steal
    anything. MS does not demand W11 activation for the install. They do
    offer to allow activation later. That’s exactly what i am trying to do.

    Maybe you should try Parallels before being so critical? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I am not being “critical”. I did not state that you are trying to steal
    something.

    I am stating that WOA is NOT a retail product. You can ONLY get it to
    fully function when you buy an ARM based Windows PC. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    A valid Windows 10 product key will unlock Windows 11, but that only
    applies to Intel Windows 10 and 11. A valid Windows 7 or 8 Product Key
    will unlock Windows 10.

    Again, WOA is NOT a product that you can register at MS. AND Microsoft has
    specifically stated they are not supporting M1 Macs. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    You can DL full Windows 10 and 11 ISOs images from Microsoft, but ONLY for
    Intel. You can install these and use whatever product key you have to
    unlock it.

    WOA does not work that way. If you want fully functional WOA, you need to
    buy an ARM based PC.

    Got it.
    It sucks, but unfortunately the above is all true.

    There is no technical reason for MS not supporting M1 Macs. I think MS
    simply does not want to be embarrassed by reviews stating "The fastest WOA
    PC is from Apple".

    Absolutely, the preview runs great. Apple could approve the full ARM version and allow us to use it. They could charge to activate it. No issue with that here, I would gladly pay.

    How could APPLE approve a full version of WINDOWS?

    Simple you idiot. The ARM version is in Beta. Release it and allow the Apple M series as an approved ARM processor. Then I could buy W11 and install it. Just like W10 was on Intel.
    That is Microsoft approving it... ...not Apple...

    ...idiot.

    At this time some ARM processors are

    Microsoft Sufrace Pro X ( SQ1 and SQ2 )
    Snapdragon 8cx: Lenovo Ideapad 5G, Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, HP Elite Folio and Acer Spin 7
    Snapdragron 8c or 7c: Positivo Wise N1212S, Acer Chromebook Spin 513 and Lenovo Ideapad 4G LTE
    Snapdragon 850: Microsoft Hololens2, Samsung Galaxy Book2 and Huawei Matebook E
    Snapdragon 45 and 855 chip devices
    Raspberry Pi 4

    Mac M1 is not on the list and MS has stated it's not on their roadmap.
    So you agree that this is about MICROSOFT approving it, not Apple... >>>>>>
    ...right, idiot?

    I agree I made a typo. Never meant to say it's Apple's issue. Prior comments make that very clear.
    And yet you earned a new "sobriquet" by answering my question with
    "Simple you idiot" (neglecting the comma, BTW).


    Copied from prior comment.,

    Thomas E.
    11:36 AM (10 hours ago)
    Yes it is Alan. MS could have blocked W10 on Boot Camp and other VM solutions. They allowed it, thus implicitly supporting Mac capabilities and end users.
    And that comment is still wrong.

    Not taking steps to block something is NOT the same as supporting that >>>> thing.

    LOL. You just cannot admit you are wrong. EVER!

    No. They are just not the same thing.

    Support in a computer software context means you could turn to Microsoft >> for help if things go wrong.

    Exactly, which is why I cannot turn to Parallels for Windows support. You are twisting comments out of context.

    No, Idiot.

    I'm noting that you are claiming two mutually contradictory positions.

    1. If Microsoft doesn't block you from installing Windows on something,
    that means they support that Windows on that platform.

    2. If Parallels doesn't block you from installing Windows in their VM,
    that can still mean they DON'T support doing so.

    Two subtle support meanings in play, and confusion on your part and mine

    Support = for testing purposes allow you to take an action such as install a trial version of software on a system for which it was not specifically designed
    Dictionary = give assistance to, enable to function or act (verb)

    Support = access to technical support in the event of product issues
    Dictionary = material assistance (noun)

    Both Parallels and Microsoft support W11 Insider Preview given the first definition. Parallels takes you all the through the W11 Insider install process and will show you how to fine tune THEIR software. Windows allows the Parallel install process on an
    unsupported CPU.

    Neither support W11 given the second definition. Neither has a help line you can avail yourself of.

    Clear now????

    Can we agree to use the second definition for the word "support" and "experimental use" for the first?

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