Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops.
And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like it.
On 2021-10-19 7:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops.
And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like it.
And with performance that Intel cannot match.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like it.That also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
On 2021-10-19 7:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:Exactly. Desktops are over...
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops.
And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form
second, I like it.
And with performance that Intel cannot match.
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 11:17:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-19 7:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops.And with performance that Intel cannot match.
And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form
second, I like it.
Intel has processors that can blow the Apple chips out of the water. But not at Apple's price point.
I think I'm going to have to go to the local Apple Store and have a closer look at the new 16" Mac laptop when they get some in for demo.
Hell just froze over.
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
For most people that's probably true.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years.
The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc).
Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent
point at current prices.
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need
more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, audio, 3D).
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years.
The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc).
Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
On 2021-10-20 4:27 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 11:17:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-19 7:35 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. >>> And one is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form >>> second, I like it.And with performance that Intel cannot match.
Intel has processors that can blow the Apple chips out of the water. But not at Apple's price point.Not at Apple's performance per watt.
I think I'm going to have to go to the local Apple Store and have a closer look at the new 16" Mac laptop when they get some in for demo.
Hell just froze over.
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, audio, 3D).Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo. We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chipsApple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed andWithin reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop" surrogate.
-hh
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:Trick is that time of dusty hot towers is over :P
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
For most people that's probably true.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >>>>> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need
more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end
desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video,
audio, 3D).
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo.
We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new ironAgreed.
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock; >>>
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. >>>> The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to >>>> pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc).
Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent >>>> point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely
Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for
buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too. >>
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone ..
that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless
keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop"
surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
On 2021-10-21, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:Trick is that time of dusty hot towers is over :P
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
For most people that's probably true.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need >>> more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end >>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, >>> audio, 3D).
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >>>>> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop? >>>
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo. >> We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips >>> to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. >>>> The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to >>>> pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>> for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs >>>> to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent >>>> point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely >> Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't >> to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for >> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone .. >> that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless
keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop"
surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check
to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN, wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need >>> more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end >>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, >>> audio, 3D).
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >>>>> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop? >>>
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo. >> We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips >>> to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. >>>> The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to >>>> pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>> for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs >>>> to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent >>>> point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely >> Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't >> to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for >> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone .. >> that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless
keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop"
surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check
to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN, wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 5:15:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop? >>>
more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end >>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video,
audio, 3D).
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo.
We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows. >>>>
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron >> slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergenceOverall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years.
The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to
pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>> for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs >>>> to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent
point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use >>> those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely >> Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for >> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone ..
that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless >> keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop" >> surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN, wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
Idiot. You need the larger screen when you are NOT AT HOME! Like I need
a big iPad screen to run ForeFlight in the airplane.
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 5:15:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:wrote: >>>>> On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan
Mac laptops. And one >>>>>>> is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLYOn 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new
exorcized. Function first, form second, I like >>>>>>> it.
performance in a >>>>> laptop...That also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :PFor most people that's probably true.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that
segment >>>> will really need the "more" of what a desktop can
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market
offer vs a laptop? >>>
don't need >>> more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keepsI think for more and more users the answer will be that they
up with the high-end >>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a
factor in those markets (video, >>> audio, 3D).
Mac >> Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them aApple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The
black eye >> and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let
it be a niche halo. >> We'll never see popularity like the
original cheesegrater. >>>
latest chips >>> to build the world's fastest supercomputer justHell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their
for the publicity. >> Apple got burned with this on the G5
towers, so doubtful. That >> doesn't have a good marketing appeal
/ tie-in to the iOS cash cows. >>>>
laptop with dock; >>>Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a
~5 years. >>>> The biggest issue with it is that it didn't haveAgreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past
all that much internal SSD >>>> storage capacity, as five years
ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to >>>> pretend that just
256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>> for a
machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
server, etc). >>>> Given how much prices have come down,to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud,
throwing a few bucks at it >>>> can preempt a lot of potential
headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent >>>> point at current
prices. >>> >>> One thing I've noted:
and >>> capacity, there are always software developers out there
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed
who can use >>> those new higher limits to their fullest.
new iron >> slow down over the past decade because we've reached:-)Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of
a convergence >> of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the
narrowing of the "Insanely >> Great" new killer apps which drive
bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't >> to say that there's not
new killer apps, but merely that the market for >> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too. >>
iPhone .. >> that when its owner comes home, they just toss itFWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie,
onto a wireless >> charging station -cum- dock, which brings up
the big screen, wireless >> keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc ..
for them to work from a "desktop" >> surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There
are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large
phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even
bother check to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it
onto a wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the
BIG SCREEN, wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
Idiot. You need the larger screen when you are NOT AT HOME! Like I
need a big iPad screen to run ForeFlight in the airplane.
How do you fit that iPad into your pocket?
But there are keyboards for iPads, so they’re demonstrating how they
can dock/transform too.
(he wrote as the iPad streamed video to the TV in the room)
-hh
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 5:15:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need >>>>> more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end >>>>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, >>>>> audio, 3D).
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >>>>>>> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop? >>>>>
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo. >>>> We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips >>>>> to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron >>>> slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergenceAgreed.
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock; >>>>>
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. >>>>>> The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to >>>>>> pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>>>> for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs >>>>>> to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent >>>>>> point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use >>>>> those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely >>>> Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't >>>> to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for >>>> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too. >>>>
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone .. >>>> that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless
keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop" >>>> surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check
to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a
wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN,
wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
Idiot. You need the larger screen when you are NOT AT HOME! Like I need a big iPad screen to run ForeFlight in the airplane.
On 2021-10-21 5:31 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 5:15:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>> On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment >>>>>> will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop? >>>>>
more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end >>>>> desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video,
audio, 3D).
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo.
We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows. >>>>>>
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity. >>>> Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron >>>> slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergenceOverall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years.
The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to
pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate >>>>>> for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs >>>>>> to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it >>>>>> can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent
point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use >>>>> those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely >>>> Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for >>>> buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone ..
that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless >>>> keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop" >>>> surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check >> to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a >> wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN,
wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
Idiot. You need the larger screen when you are NOT AT HOME! Like I need a big iPad screen to run ForeFlight in the airplane.
No, Liarboy.
SOME people need a larger screen when they're not at home
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a >> laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment
will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video, audio, 3D).Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo. We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chipsApple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows.
Overall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years. The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it
can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed andWithin reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new iron
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use
those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop" surrogate.
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 5:15:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 4:05:46 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2021-10-21 12:09 p.m., -hh wrote:Apple's been chasing after money more than geek prestige. The Mac
On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:45:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>> On 2021-10-20 5:44 p.m., Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
On 2021-10-20, Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:For most people that's probably true.
Wow, Apple put a SD card slot and a HDMI port on the new Mac laptops. And oneThat also means it is time for desktops to take a nap :P
is a 16”. Jony Ive is REALLY exorcized. Function first, form second, I like
it.
But it should be remembered that if they can put that performance in a
laptop...
...what could Apple do in a high-end desktop?
:-)
The same question is going to apply .. just what market segment >>>> will really need the "more" of what a desktop can offer vs a laptop?
I think for more and more users the answer will be that they don't need
more than a laptop offers, but I hope Apple keeps up with the high-end
desktop hardware just to make the Mac a factor in those markets (video,
audio, 3D).
Pro hangs on only because dropping it would give them a black eye
and they sell "just enough" to the video pros to let it be a niche halo.
We'll never see popularity like the original cheesegrater.
doesn't have a good marketing appeal / tie-in to the iOS cash cows. >>>>
Hell, I think with Apple's revenues, they should use their latest chips
to build the world's fastest supercomputer just for the publicity. >> Apple got burned with this on the G5 towers, so doubtful. That
Within reason. I've seen the general (broad) adoption rate of new ironOverall, I can see a lot of mid/upper range going to a laptop with dock;
Agreed.
as that's been one of the work setups I've used for the past ~5 years.
The biggest issue with it is that it didn't have all that much internal SSD
storage capacity, as five years ago, the thoughts (and costs) tried to
pretend that just 256GB would be adequate. Overall, that is adequate
for a machine that doesn't need much data onhand, but it still needs
to have a good place to offload/backup to (eg, cloud, server, etc). >>>> Given how much prices have come down, throwing a few bucks at it >>>> can preempt a lot of potential headaches ... 1TB SSD would be a decent
point at current prices.
One thing I've noted:
While computer chips and hardware grow ever greater in speed and
capacity, there are always software developers out there who can use >>> those new higher limits to their fullest.
:-)
slow down over the past decade because we've reached a convergence
of the "Good Enough" paradigm along with the narrowing of the "Insanely
Great" new killer apps which drive bigger iron hardware sales. This isn't
to say that there's not new killer apps, but merely that the market for
buying them is smaller, so the hardware side of the market is smaller too.
FWIW, I could see Apple's vision being a single device ... ie, iPhone ..
that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless
charging station -cum- dock, which brings up the big screen, wireless >> keyboard/mouse, printer, etc, etc .. for them to work from a "desktop"
surrogate.
-hh
A phone as a replacement for laptop/tablet? Get serious. There are apps out there that need way more screen than ever a large phone. I'd love to have that capability with an iPad.
Did you even bother reading what he wrote, Liarboy?
Are you such a rabid anti-Apple person that you cannot even bother check to see if anything you said makes sense?
'ie, iPhone .. that when its owner comes home, they just toss it onto a wireless charging station -cum- DOCK, which brings up the BIG SCREEN, wireless KEYBOARD/MOUSE, printer, etc, etc .. '
Idiot. You need the larger screen when you are NOT AT HOME! Like I needHow do you fit that iPad into your pocket?
a big iPad screen to run ForeFlight in the airplane.
But there are keyboards for iPads, so they’re demonstrating how they can dock/transform too.
(he wrote as the iPad streamed video to the TV in the room)
-hh
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