• Re: Microsoft and HP (today) are keeping me gainfully employed!

    From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Oct 14 22:01:21 2021
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    How broken is that?

    Not very.

    HP (or whoever makes the camera hardware) needs to come with a new driver.
    I have seen this issue many times. Cameras, audio, USB ports, etc.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Oct 14 22:07:22 2021
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?


    Not very.

    HP (or whoever makes the camera hardware) probably needs to come with a new driver. I have seen this issue many times. Cameras, audio, USB ports,
    etc.

    Go to the HP website and download the driver. Delete the camera in Device Manager. Install the driver you downloaded and reboot.

    Or it could be an actual hardware failure.

    What does this have to do with Mac Advocacy?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 14 19:16:34 2021
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 07:51:37 2021
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1@gioia.aioe.org>):

    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you
    buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to
    excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that
    HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam
    ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver, and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

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  • From STALKING_TARGET_30@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Fri Oct 15 09:43:35 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Not very.

    HP (or whoever makes the camera hardware) probably needs to come with a new driver. I have seen this issue many times. Cameras, audio, USB ports,
    etc.
    Go to the HP website and download the driver. Delete the camera in Device Manager. Install the driver you downloaded and reboot.

    Or it could be an actual hardware failure.

    What does this have to do with Mac Advocacy?


    ronB has cut down on the nonstop narcissistic, idiotic posts he used to knock off but he's clearly not much different in the truthfulness department. He simple uses sock puppets more now to generate those posts. ronB refuses to takes blame for his own words. Words that are easily found in a search. And
    you do, of course realize that it isn't impossible for ronB to be doing this, or encouraging those who are. Now Shadow on the other end of the game doesn't matter. All that matters is ronB gets to deliver the payload. So how to win? Don't do anything but ignore the nonsense. Reason isn't part of ploy and
    never can be.

    --
    "You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him.
    He clearly wants the attention"
    Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

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  • From Diesel@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Fri Oct 15 14:13:46 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 8:01:27 PM UTC-7, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:

    How broken is that?

    Not very.

    HP (or whoever makes the camera hardware) needs to come with a new driver.
    I have seen this issue many times. Cameras, audio, USB ports, etc.


    With the idea of working toward kindness, it appears that in order for Diesel to do that, he has to give Snit Glasser Michael a pass for every dishonest critisism he's made about Diesel, and discount every false lie he's posted about Diesel as well.

    Dropping support for Linux is long overdue. Proof Sandman accuses everyone
    of being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png. I did not even know Snit Glasser Michael already had a history of not only faking so called
    proof, but also having already been caught repeatedly doing it and trying
    to pass it off as like a 3 dollar bill. Diesel fooled Snit Glasser Michael some, big fucking deal. Why be a yowling jackass about it?


    -
    Top Six Ways Snit Glasser Michael Trolls http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r11_089_BirthIndexes/Birth_1909/M.PDF https://gibiru.com/results.html?q=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22 https://gibiru.com/results.html?q=Dustin+Cook+%22functional+illiterate+fraud%22 Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 14:21:32 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 10:16:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Did you try deleting the webcam in Device Manager and doing a device refresh? That has worked for me on several similar issues over my 30 years of Windows experience.

    Macs have camera issues too, Alan.

    https://www.howtogeek.com/682516/mac-camera-not-working-heres-how-to-fix-it/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Oct 15 14:24:56 2021
    On 2021-10-15 2:21 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 10:16:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop... >>
    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Did you try deleting the webcam in Device Manager and doing a device refresh?

    Yup!

    That has worked for me on several similar issues over my 30 years of Windows experience.

    Macs have camera issues too, Alan.

    I never said they didn't.


    https://www.howtogeek.com/682516/mac-camera-not-working-heres-how-to-fix-it/


    And those issues and those fixes are not even close to what's happening
    here.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Oct 15 14:26:49 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver, and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 14:27:46 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-10-15 2:21 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 10:16:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working. >>
    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Did you try deleting the webcam in Device Manager and doing a device refresh?
    Yup!
    That has worked for me on several similar issues over my 30 years of Windows experience.

    Macs have camera issues too, Alan.
    I never said they didn't.


    https://www.howtogeek.com/682516/mac-camera-not-working-heres-how-to-fix-it/


    And those issues and those fixes are not even close to what's happening
    here.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 14:34:14 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-10-15 2:21 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 10:16:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working. >>
    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Did you try deleting the webcam in Device Manager and doing a device refresh?
    Yup!
    That has worked for me on several similar issues over my 30 years of Windows experience.

    Macs have camera issues too, Alan.
    I never said they didn't.


    https://www.howtogeek.com/682516/mac-camera-not-working-heres-how-to-fix-it/


    And those issues and those fixes are not even close to what's happening
    here.

    If the Mac camera is not working the difference is a nuance.

    I ask again, did you try my Device Driver solution? Did you try installing the current HP driver. Did you run the HP Support Assistant? Did you run the Intel Driver Support Assistant check?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Oct 15 14:53:32 2021
    On 2021-10-15 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working. >>>
    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you >> buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or >> so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to
    excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have >> the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the >> MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that >> HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in
    defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam
    ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver, >> and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a >> reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware.
    Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?


    A Mac running a virtual machine is FAR better.

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  • From Steve Carrolll - fretwizzer@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 15:01:37 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-10-15 2:34 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-10-15 2:21 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 10:16:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected. >>>>
    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?

    Did you try deleting the webcam in Device Manager and doing a device refresh?
    Yup!
    That has worked for me on several similar issues over my 30 years of Windows experience.

    Macs have camera issues too, Alan.
    I never said they didn't.


    https://www.howtogeek.com/682516/mac-camera-not-working-heres-how-to-fix-it/


    And those issues and those fixes are not even close to what's happening
    here.

    If the Mac camera is not working the difference is a nuance.
    Nope.

    I ask again, did you try my Device Driver solution?
    And I answer again: Yup!
    Did you try installing the current HP driver.
    You cannot find that driver by itself!
    Did you run the HP Support Assistant?
    Yup!
    Did you run the Intel Driver Support Assistant check?
    What on earth makes you think the webcam of an HP x360 is an Intel
    product? "HP Wide Vision HD Camera with integrated dual array digital microphone"


    Snot / Snit's allegation is misplaced to start with, and not correct second
    of all. Is Steven Carroll trying to be just as much of a crooked liar as
    Snot / Snit is already known as being? A constant, fervid, posting itch, regardless of content - like slimy Mac-using cartographers, and vigorously- greased ram, stuck in a mud hole for his own personal yearnings.

    Obviously, since programmers can call Snot / Snit out (repeatedly), he's
    lied; otherwise everyone else must be lying be about him, and I don't think Snot / Snit's willing to claim it is group attack of himself and state that's even possible.

    It is the same pattern that happens in every group Snot / Snit visits.

    Snot / Snit was once again a liar by claiming he would not speak to Steven Carroll by means of emphatically shouting 'score: -999' and then assaulting
    him repeatedly through piggybacking.


    --
    Top 15 Ways Snot / Snit Trolls! https://swisscows.com/web?query=dustin%20cook%20%22functionally%20illiterate%20fraud%22
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20200911090855/https://www.usphonebook.com/423- 491-1448?Dustin-Cook=&Diesel=&Gremlin=>
    Steve Petruzzellis the Narcissistic Bigot

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 15 18:51:16 2021
    On 2021 Oct 15, Alan wrote
    (in article <skct8s$duk$2@gioia.aioe.org>):

    On 2021-10-15 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you
    buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or
    so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have
    the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that
    HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver,
    and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a
    reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?

    A Mac running a virtual machine is FAR better.

    Even good VM aren’t as good as running the OS on the bare metal. If using a MacBook, get a top-end MacBook or don’t try to use heavy-duty software. Or use BootCamp.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 15 18:49:35 2021
    On 2021 Oct 15, Thomas E. wrote
    (in article<0205368a-34d1-4db0-82c7-870e79366979n@googlegroups.com>):

    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or
    so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have
    the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver,
    and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?

    Lenovo isn’t bad, though you still should stay away from el cheapo systems. Ditto Toshiba.

    If you get high-end (that is, expensive) hardware even Dell and HP are pretty good.

    Basically, you get what you pay for.

    If I’m buying a Windows laptop, I get a mid-range Lenovo. An expensive
    Lenovo costs what a MacBook does, if I’m spending that kind of money I get
    a MacBook and use a VM or BootCamp.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Oct 15 17:11:23 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 6:49:41 PM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 15, Thomas E. wrote
    (in article<0205368a-34d1-4db0...@googlegroups.com>):
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you
    buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or
    so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have
    the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers.
    The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that
    HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in
    defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver,
    and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a
    reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?
    Lenovo isn’t bad, though you still should stay away from el cheapo systems.
    Ditto Toshiba.

    If you get high-end (that is, expensive) hardware even Dell and HP are pretty
    good.

    Basically, you get what you pay for.

    If I’m buying a Windows laptop, I get a mid-range Lenovo. An expensive Lenovo costs what a MacBook does, if I’m spending that kind of money I get a MacBook and use a VM or BootCamp.

    Thinkpads had been my “go to” hardware for years.

    -hh

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  • From Steven Petruzzelllis@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Fri Oct 15 21:10:30 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:49:41 PM UTC-7, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 15, Thomas E. wrote
    (in article<0205368a-34d1-4db0...@googlegroups.com>):
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you
    buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or
    so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have
    the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers.
    The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that
    HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in
    defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver,
    and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a
    reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?
    Lenovo isn’t bad, though you still should stay away from el cheapo systems.
    Ditto Toshiba.

    If you get high-end (that is, expensive) hardware even Dell and HP are pretty
    good.

    Basically, you get what you pay for.

    If I’m buying a Windows laptop, I get a mid-range Lenovo. An expensive Lenovo costs what a MacBook does, if I’m spending that kind of money I get a MacBook and use a VM or BootCamp.


    I think the point is more than to get people to listen to him. The point
    is likely to piss me off for flooding outside groups he knows I frequent.

    Just give it up already. Chris is again trying to pretend he is something
    he is not. He's the village idiot and his many witless videos show this.

    That's what Chris does when he gets mad. He creates a sock, starts a
    cross posted thread so he can claim here made a mistake. Hey it was my
    left hand... and then he replies to his own post with his right hand.

    Bitdefender was initially coded and compiled using a bootleg copy of MonoDevelop, in C++.


    -
    Do not click this link! https://www.womply.com/biz/89a-dental-care-prescott-valley-AZ/
    Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Petruzzellis

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 16 23:42:20 2021
    On 10/14/2021 7:16 PM, Alan wrote:
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible
    laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?



    More than likely operator error. (just kidding!)

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  • From Gremlin the Functionally Illiterate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 17 23:48:13 2021
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-10-15 2:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
    On 2021 Oct 14, Alan wrote
    (in article <skaoa2$1iho$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):
    Another debacle where running a Microsoft update appears to have
    completely made a piece of hardware in an HP x360 ENVY convertible laptop...

    ...disappear!

    A client called me today because the webcam on her HP ENVY isn't working.

    Digging into it, Device Manager says there is no hardware connected.

    HP says it's a Windows software issue and only doing a full system
    recovery will fix it.

    How broken is that?
    1. it’s not MS, it’s HP. The only vendor worse than HP is Dell, if you
    buy low-end stuff. If a machine from Dell or HP costs $500 or so to $1200 or
    so, quality is usually so-so. If more than $1200, quality is good to
    excellent. If less than $500, God help you.

    2. It almost certainly is a driver issue. Hp almost certainly doesn’t have
    the proper drivers available for download... but they are in the package the
    MS delivers for a full system install. I’ve seen this with HP printers. The
    solution was to stop buying HP printers.

    3 there is a possibility that the drivers are, in fact, available, anf that
    HP support was just incompetent. Have a look on HP’s site.

    4 there is also a possibility that HP’s lack of quality has resulted in >> defective hardware, and that Device Manager is not showing the webcam
    ‘cause it’s not working. If a search of HP’s site turns up the driver,
    and a reinstall of the driver doesn’t work, I’d suspect hardware. If a
    reinstall of the full OS doesn’t work, I’d really suspect hardware. >> Solution: buy a new laptop. Not a Dell or HP.

    What is your alternative to HP and Dell for running Windows?

    A Mac running a virtual machine is FAR better.


    Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone number:

    <XnsAC34A629C8F3DHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
    at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
    or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
    It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
    these days so that doesn't count as public information,
    snit.
    ...
    As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
    come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
    number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
    believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
    concept.
    -----

    <XnsAC32ADC5A8EECHT1@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
    -----
    I've only been sharing whats available via a public
    database. You haven't. :)
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
    database. Which makes it private. not public as you
    incorrectly assume.
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62CD62DDHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
    database.

    No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
    previously.
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62EE3F39HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
    he knows that.
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
    any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
    from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
    public records search.
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62ACDF8HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
    itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
    via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
    records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
    that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
    you erroneously think here.
    -----

    <XnsAC34A62A42D90HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
    -----
    It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
    number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
    The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
    is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
    therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
    via a google search or a paid public records search.
    -----

    <XnsAC1D794DE5AD5HT1@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
    -----
    They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
    number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
    you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
    provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
    *ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
    ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
    It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
    present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
    number assigned to the phone.
    -----

    <XnsAC17C66D49387HT1@4uMkH0FFER6s72gSy7J8N4B67.Mht3WTC373bt67J31gn>
    -----
    You didn't even score the right city, Snit. And, the
    correct city is common, public knowledge with the regulars
    here. The moment you unblocked 'Johnson City' in your
    videos, you were busted.
    -----

    <XnsAC212DEE4D1DCHT1@gt3i2B7y.5N0FOv3e210vLOej4O4doj8b>
    -----
    David, every single Address you've posted that's supposed
    to be mine has been Kingsport. Not Johnson City. Don't you
    think you should tell snit that was a fuckup on his part
    by now? :)
    -----

    <XnsAC21106DF6C20HT1@3R4NM89td0T86C.231IPkH>
    -----
    His response to that was to file a report with the
    kingsport,tn police. Well hell, why not the johnson city
    ones? That's where he claimed the call said it originated
    from. :)
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