• OT: I don't think anyone talks about flying a Cessna like this...

    From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 21 22:45:13 2023
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
    everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
    that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
    Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
    or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it
    be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>

    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
    I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the
    twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
    In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Apr 25 07:55:07 2023
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
    everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
    that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
    Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
    or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>

    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
    I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
    In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.

    The aircraft was a C182T with Garmin G1000 avionics and the KAP140 autopilot. The mission was RTB after a family visit and pickup of Girl Scout cookies ordered from a niece. Yes, FEDEX would have been cheaper for the cookie delivery.

    For traffic deconfliction I filed IFR on a CAVU morning out of the Cobb County Atlanta area (KRYY). When I filed via Foreflight ATC required a NOONE, NELLO, JILIS planned routing at 6000' to remain east of and clear of potential incoming IFR traffic on
    the BUKHD THREE Arrival procedure. All that was programmed into the KAP 140 before we started to taxi out. Immediately after takeoff I contacted Atlanta Departure and they gave me a 360 heading and immediate climb to 6000. About 10 minutes later I got a
    direct-to-destination clearance. Traffic on the arrival must not have been an issue. It was bumpy at 6000 so we requested a climb to 8000 where the headwinds were a little worse but the air was smooth.

    The direct routing took us close to some restricted areas and ATC routed us west of those. Over Kentucky we found ourselves in some thin, but bumpy, stratocumulus and got a climb to 9000 to get back to clear smooth air. On the descent, 100 miles north,
    the temperature had dropped to the point where we picked up some rime ice in those clouds. I advised ATC but it was not enough to affect aircraft performance. The landing was uneventful except for a 10-15 knot gusty direct crosswind. The landing was
    uneventful because I have made thousands of them. I'd like to see you or any of the people you mentioned above try it if they are not trained and experienced!

    Enroute we talked to KRYY ground, KRYY tower, Atlanta Departure, Atlanta Center, Chatanooga Approach, Memphis Center, Indy Center, Indy Approach and KEYE CTAF. The planned 3.1 hour flight turned out to be 3.6 hours. Winds were a lot stronger than
    forecast.

    You can see the flight profile at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N721ZA. It's the KRYY/KEYE flight. I also filed to JEKX in case we needed to take a break due to weather or the wife just wanting one. This was her first long x-country in about 10
    years. That turned out to be not the case, she was ok with the bumps. Lots of people I have flown are not.

    Think you can do that exact flight today?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Apr 25 09:33:46 2023
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
    everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
    League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
    scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
    ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
    it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
    highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
    hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>



    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
    things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
    driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
    Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
    with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.

    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
    and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
    coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
    of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
    challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Apr 25 10:04:11 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
    everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
    League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
    scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
    ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
    it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
    highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
    hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>



    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
    things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
    driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
    Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
    with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
    and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
    coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
    of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too different.

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular basis.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Apr 25 10:31:29 2023
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
    all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
    Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
    rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
    thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
    think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
    mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
    responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
    it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>





    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
    things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
    driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
    in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
    minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
    will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
    does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
    pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
    driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
    the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
    challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
    really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too different.

    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?


    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine
    basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
    drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
    car. Yes. But compete? No.

    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.


    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
    is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
    have to wait until June.


    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
    open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
    regular basis.

    You're continuing to stalk?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 26 05:58:28 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
    all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
    Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
    rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
    thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
    think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
    mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
    responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
    it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>





    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
    things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
    driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
    in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
    minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
    will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
    does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
    pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
    driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
    the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
    challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
    really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
    drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
    car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
    is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
    have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
    open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
    regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
    That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
    The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how difficult it can be.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
    waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that fixed. :)

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Apr 26 10:16:15 2023
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
    After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
    Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
    rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
    thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
    they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
    driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
    received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
    every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>







    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
    other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
    version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
    or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
    nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
    minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
    That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
    much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
    a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
    racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
    finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
    more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
    are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
    I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
    Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
    routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
    run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
    everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
    172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
    an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
    a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience
    claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon
    Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
    Star.

    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?


    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a
    mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good
    weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death

    So he wasn't a very good pilot?


    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
    experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
    made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
    landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other
    issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving
    through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
    driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
    up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
    of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
    you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
    difficult it can be.

    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.


    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the
    public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
    reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been
    dragging on for years after all. :-)

    Or you could just not stalk people.


    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
    painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
    diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 26 16:01:51 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Apr 26 19:07:39 2023
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
    painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
    diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
    that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
    my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)

    ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...

    ...without going bankrupt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 27 02:00:31 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
    painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
    diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
    their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
    that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
    my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
    don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
    out of pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
    a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.

    -hh

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Apr 28 08:54:37 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
    painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
    diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
    First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
    their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
    that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
    ...without going bankrupt.
    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
    out of pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.

    -hh

    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.

    Receding gums are a personal issue?

    As I look at the Canadian dental program it does not appear to be universal at all. It's also somewhat different by Province. Maybe your example is covered, maybe not. It's more complicated that you know.

    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental


    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.

    The program will cover kids under 12 years old in 2022 and then expand to include anyone under 18, seniors and people living with a disability in 2023. Full implementation would be reached by 2025.

    The government says the program will be restricted to families with an income of less than $90,000 annually. Anyone making under $70,000 per year won’t have to make co-payments.

    Last month, after the National Democratic Party (NDP) and the federal Liberal government joined hands, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau teased something of the sort being in the pipeline for Canadians.

    “We’re using our power to get help to people. We are getting help for people who need their teeth fixed,” said Singh during a press conference on Tuesday. “We’re getting help for people that need to buy their medication and can’t afford to.”

    “It wasn’t less than a year ago that the Liberals voted against our dental care program that we were able to put into this agreement,” noted Singh."

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/dental-care-canada-budget-2022

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Apr 28 08:32:32 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
    After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
    Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
    rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
    thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
    they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
    driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
    received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
    every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>







    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
    other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
    version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
    or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
    nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
    minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
    That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
    much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
    a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
    racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
    finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
    more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
    are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
    I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
    Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
    routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
    run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
    everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
    172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
    bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
    there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
    an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
    a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
    Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
    made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
    driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
    up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
    of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
    you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
    difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
    reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
    CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
    fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the
    last one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=reno+air+races+fatal+accidents&cvid=9b9d481fb1554d61bdac88e47145608a&aqs=edge.0.69i59j69i57j0l4j46j0j69i60.5748j0j9&FORM=ANAB01&PC=DCTS

    Sept. 18, 2022: Pilot Aaron Hogue, of Henderson, Nevada, died in a crash during the Jet Gold Race. The cause is under investigation.

    Sept. 8, 2014: Pilot Lee Behel, 64, of San Jose, California, died in a crash when portions of the right wing separated from his experimental aircraft during qualifying heats.

    Sept. 16, 2011: Pilot Jimmy Leeward and 10 spectators died when his heavily modified World War II-era aircraft lost control while banking around a pylon at Reno-Stead Airport and slammed into the box seating area. About 70 people were seriously injured,
    many from flying shrapnel.

    Sept. 7, 2008: Formula One pilot Erica Simpson was killed during practice Saturday when the wings broke off her home-built plane as she attempted a roll.

    Sept. 14, 2007: Pilot Gary Hubler, 51, of Caldwell, Idaho died when his plane clipped another.

    Sept. 13, 2007: Pilot Brad Morehouse of Aston, Wyoming died in a crash of a L-39 jet during race.

    Sept. 11, 2007: Pilot Steve Dari of Lemon Grove, California died when his biplane crashed on takeoff during practice.

    Sept. 13, 2002: Pilot Tommy Rose of Hickory, Mississippi died when his Sport Class racer crashed into sagebrush during a race.

    Sept. 18, 1999: Gary Levitz of Grand Prairie, Texas died when his P-51 disintegrated during a race, scattering debris and damaging a house.

    Sept. 17, 1998: Pilot Dick Roberts of Maybee, Michigan died when his Formula One crashed in the desert after a race. Roberts had suffered a massive heart attack.

    Sept. 18, 1994: Pilot Ralph Twombly of Wellsville, New York died when his T-6 crashed after colliding with another T-6 at the start of a race. His plane crashed beside a house west of the airport.

    Sept. 12, 1994: Pilot Bill Speer of La Mesa, California died when his P-51 crashed next to the east-west runway after engine failure sprayed his windshield with oil.

    Sept. 14, 1993: Pilot Rick Brickert, 38, Sandy, Utah died when his unlimited plane named "Pond Racer" crashed in the desert while preparing to land. The 38-year-old former champion died in the twin-engine racer in an emergency landing following an engine
    malfunction.

    Sept. 15, 1989: Pilot Errol Roberson, 49, of Warrenton, Oregon, died when his Formula One crashed after being caught in a dust devil during a race.

    Sept. 16, 1987: Pilot Errol Johnstad, 48, of West Berlin, East Germany died when his Formula One crashed after losing lift and fell out of the sky. The cause remains unknown.

    Sept. 16, 1981: Pilot Bob Downey, 64, of Whittier, California died when his Formula One crashed west of the airport 300 yards from homes in the Silver Knolls area during practicing. It was unclear what caused the crash — an airplane malfunction or a
    health problem with the pilot who was on what one official called a "radical diet."

    Sept. 14, 1979: Pilot Fred Wofford, 41, of Reno died when his Formula One crashed in a turn during a race. The crash was a mile from the grandstands.

    Sept. 17, 1978: Pilots Dimitry Prian of Long Beach, California and Don DeWalt of El Monte, California died when their T-6s collided during a race.

    Sept. 12, 1975: Wing-walker Gordon McCollom of Costa Mesa, California was hanging under the plane as it dropped too close to the runway in what one official called a "freakish downdraft." He scraped his head on the runway, dying instantly.

    Sept. 12, 1975: Pilot M.D. Washburn, 40, of Houston, Texas died when the wing of his T-6 clipped a pylon. He crashed while in a tight formation at the start of the race.

    Sept. 17, 1972: Pilot H.E. "Tommy" Thomas, 50, of Sacramento died when his biplane crashed during a race. Thomas'plane slammed to the ground at 150 mph. The high-powered racer was on the first lap of an eight-lap race when it dropped from a group of
    racers.

    Remember this is an annual event and only a few hundred pilots involved per event. These are only fatal accidents. Still think flying is not as difficult as car racing? You will probably rationalize something.

    On the subject of your "issue:" You could just fix the issue. Or I think you could. Maybe it's even more damning than appears on the surface.

    On your wait to get a simple surgery:

    Actually, Medicaid recipients get similar access as private insurance. I'm on Medicare, and have essentially the same coverage as private insurance but with a lower deductible. My 20% copay is covered by a Medicare supplement paid for by my former
    employer. You don't have to be rich or have private insurance to get immediate care in the U.S. I have the best of all worlds, and I'm rich too! But not rich or foolish enough to go without health insurance. Yes, our U.S. system has its advantages.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Apr 28 13:15:36 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if >>>>> there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that >>> fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
    First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
    their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
    that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
    ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
    ...without going bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
    how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
    out of pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
    a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.

    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
    a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.

    Receding gums are a personal issue?

    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that
    I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
    IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,


    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.

    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.


    Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.

    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.


    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental


    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.

    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Apr 29 01:17:11 2023
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
    After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
    former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
    and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
    the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
    to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
    country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
    it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>









    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
    flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
    the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
    other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
    to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
    not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
    both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
    respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
    and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
    is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
    Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
    unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
    more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
    routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
    you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
    than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
    a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
    your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
    one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
    still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
    checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
    Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
    years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
    the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
    made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
    in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
    experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
    and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
    from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
    That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
    CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
    driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
    approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
    time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
    kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
    how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
    the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
    reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
    been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
    week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
    the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
    waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
    already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
    competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
    long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
    the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
    record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
    accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?

    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 2 06:55:51 2023
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
    After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
    former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
    and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
    the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
    to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
    country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
    it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>









    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
    flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
    the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
    other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
    to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
    not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
    both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
    respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
    and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
    is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
    Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
    unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
    more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
    routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
    you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
    than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
    a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
    rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
    your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
    one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
    you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
    still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
    checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
    Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
    years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
    the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
    made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
    in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
    experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
    and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
    from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
    That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
    CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
    driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
    approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
    time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
    kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
    how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
    the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
    reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
    been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
    week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
    the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
    waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
    already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
    the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
    record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
    accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
    aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g forces break things.

    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 2 06:38:18 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    [Tom, etc]

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if >>>>> there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid >>>> you'll have to wait until June.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in >>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that >>> fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
    First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
    their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
    that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
    US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
    my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
    ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
    ...without going bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
    how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
    out of pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
    a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
    Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
    a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
    IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement
    to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.
    Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental


    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.
    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded. Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 2 09:04:28 2023
    On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    [Tom, etc]
    … As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
    … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
    It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
    took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
    the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
    occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
    have that fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
    out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
    briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
    surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
    recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
    told, which was that he has two years still to go before
    his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
    insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
    liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until
    February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
    Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
    bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
    decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
    concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
    healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
    insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
    pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
    age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
    Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
    graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
    costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
    of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
    public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
    deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
    that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
    decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
    insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
    supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
    like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
    classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
    be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
    or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
    services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental




    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
    the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
    human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
    have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
    Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
    $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
    the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
    late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
    funding in the works.
    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
    and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
    Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.

    When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
    caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the uber-rich?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 2 09:01:29 2023
    On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
    Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
    right? After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
    former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
    surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
    racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
    done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
    it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
    the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
    hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
    hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>











    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
    most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
    the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
    California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
    172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
    yesterday not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
    is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
    highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
    the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
    Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he
    feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
    training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
    untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
    compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
    on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
    races you run. Could I drive around the track at
    something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
    compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
    in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
    than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
    the next one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
    afraid you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
    is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
    I'm checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
    driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
    Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
    to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
    He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
    landing in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
    highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
    I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
    verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
    never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
    he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
    like driving through a race course curve versus an
    instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
    gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
    accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
    it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
    judgements on how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
    Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
    in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
    CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
    issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
    a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
    hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
    health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
    here you would already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
    competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
    only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
    one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
    Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
    many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
    existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
    you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
    to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
    intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
    apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
    likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
    aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
    accident record. High g forces break things.

    That's not the way this went down.

    I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.

    I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.

    And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

    Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.


    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
    have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
    minutes on a short oval.

    Wow.

    30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 2 11:39:09 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 11:04:31 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    [Tom, etc]
    … As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
    … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
    It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
    took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
    the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
    occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
    have that fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
    out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
    briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
    surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
    recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
    told, which was that he has two years still to go before
    his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
    insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
    liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until
    February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
    Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
    bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
    decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
    concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
    healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
    insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
    pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
    age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
    Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
    graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
    costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
    of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
    public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
    deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
    that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
    decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
    insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
    supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
    like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
    classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
    be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
    or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
    services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental




    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
    the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
    human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
    have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
    Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
    $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
    the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
    late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
    funding in the works.

    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?


    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
    and collect added taxes to pay for them?

    If we were to get rid of the corporate graft in healthcare, the additional expense for dental & vision would be easily paid for, just as it is in Europe.

    Part D was never funded.
    Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.

    When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
    caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave
    to the uber-rich?

    When he realizes that he’s no longer the beneficiary. Maybe.

    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 4 14:58:35 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
    Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
    right? After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
    former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
    surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
    racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
    done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
    it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
    the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
    hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
    hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>











    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
    most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
    the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
    California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
    172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
    yesterday not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
    is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
    highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
    the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
    Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he
    feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
    training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
    untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
    compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
    on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
    races you run. Could I drive around the track at
    something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
    compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
    in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
    than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
    the next one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
    afraid you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
    is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
    I'm checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
    driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
    Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
    to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
    He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
    landing in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
    highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
    I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
    verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
    never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
    he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
    like driving through a race course curve versus an
    instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
    gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
    accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
    it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
    judgements on how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
    Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
    in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
    CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
    issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
    a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
    hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
    health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
    here you would already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
    competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
    only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
    one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
    Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
    many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
    existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
    you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
    to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
    intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
    aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
    accident record. High g forces break things.
    That's not the way this went down.

    I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.

    I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.

    And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

    Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.

    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
    have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
    minutes on a short oval.
    Wow.

    30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?

    YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu May 4 15:01:10 2023
    On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
    Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
    right? After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
    former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
    surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
    racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
    done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
    it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
    the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
    hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
    hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>











    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
    most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
    the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
    California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
    172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
    yesterday not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
    is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
    highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
    the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
    Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he
    feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
    training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
    untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
    compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
    on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
    races you run. Could I drive around the track at
    something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
    compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
    in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
    than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
    the next one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
    afraid you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
    is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
    I'm checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
    driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
    Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
    to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
    He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
    landing in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
    highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
    I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
    verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
    never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
    he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
    like driving through a race course curve versus an
    instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
    gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
    accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
    it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
    judgements on how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
    Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
    in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
    CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
    issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
    a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
    hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
    health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
    here you would already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
    competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
    only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
    one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
    Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
    many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
    existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
    you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
    to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
    intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
    apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
    likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
    aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
    accident record. High g forces break things.
    That's not the way this went down.

    I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
    aviation flying was the greater pastime.

    I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing. >>
    And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

    Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.

    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
    have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
    minutes on a short oval.
    Wow.

    30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?

    YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.

    Nope.

    The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.

    And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.

    Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...

    ...all...

    ...the...

    ...time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 4 15:16:49 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    [Tom, etc]
    … As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
    … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
    It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
    took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
    the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
    occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
    have that fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
    out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
    briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
    surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
    recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
    told, which was that he has two years still to go before
    his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
    insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
    liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until
    February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
    Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
    bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
    decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
    concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
    healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
    insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
    pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
    age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
    Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
    graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
    costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
    of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
    public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
    deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
    that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
    decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
    insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
    supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
    like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
    classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
    be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
    or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
    services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental




    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
    the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
    human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
    have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
    Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
    $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
    the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
    late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
    funding in the works.
    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
    and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
    Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
    When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
    caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the uber-rich?

    Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?

    Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.

    Year Taxes Spending Deficit
    2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
    2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
    2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
    2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
    2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
    2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813

    I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.

    The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri May 5 09:56:38 2023
    On 2023-05-04 15:16, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    [Tom, etc]
    … As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
    … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
    It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
    took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
    the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
    occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
    have that fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
    out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
    briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
    surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
    recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been >>>>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
    his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
    insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
    liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until
    February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
    Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
    bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
    decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
    concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
    healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
    insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
    pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
    age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
    Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
    graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
    costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
    of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
    public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
    deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
    that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
    decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
    insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
    supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
    like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
    classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
    be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
    or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
    services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental




    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
    the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
    human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
    have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
    Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
    $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
    the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
    late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
    funding in the works.
    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
    and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
    Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
    When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
    caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
    uber-rich?

    Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?

    Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.

    Year Taxes Spending Deficit
    2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
    2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
    2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
    2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
    2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
    2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813

    I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.

    The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.

    Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.

    And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
    of 2020...

    ...right, Little Shit?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 5 12:17:21 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 12:58:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 15:16, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    [Tom, etc]
    … As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
    … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. >>>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It >>>>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
    the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
    occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
    Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already >>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)

    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
    out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
    briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
    surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
    recently).

    I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been >>>>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
    his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
    insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

    Yup.

    I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
    liked to get my hernia surgery...

    (It really didn't become a definite thing until
    February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
    Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going >>>>>>> bankrupt.

    Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
    decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
    concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
    healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health >>>>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of >>>>>> pocket costs.

    Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after >>>>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
    Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
    graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.


    Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
    Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
    costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost >>>> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
    public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
    deflection attempt either.
    Receding gums are a personal issue?
    Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
    that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
    decade.

    Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without >>>> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
    In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
    Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
    supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
    like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of >>>> classic Medicare offer
    dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
    Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

    For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
    be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether >>>>> or not you are receiving public assistance.

    "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
    services to relieve pain."

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental




    At the national level I found this recent article:

    "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears >>>>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the >>>>> human body.

    According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not >>>>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
    Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

    But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
    $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
    the Canadians who need it most.

    The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin >>>>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in >>>>> funding in the works.
    Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
    When is the US going to follow suit?

    -hh

    When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
    and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
    Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
    When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
    caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the >> uber-rich?

    Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?

    Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.

    Year Taxes Spending Deficit
    2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
    2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
    2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
    2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
    2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
    2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813

    I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.

    The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.
    Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.

    And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
    of 2020...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    Source: http://www.polidiotic.com/by-the-numbers/us-federal-deficit-by-year/

    Got better numbers?

    I get the pandemic, which is why tax revenues decreased, not the Trump era tax cuts. I was arguing with the HH assertion that it was tax cuts that caused the deficit increases, CLEARLY not the case, it was spending. Further, post Trump tax cuts, tax
    receipts were record-high in 2021.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 5 12:36:36 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
    Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
    right? After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and >>>>>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
    surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
    racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
    done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
    hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate >>>>>>>>>>>> it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
    the country. I’ve received responses like, “How >>>>>>>>>>>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not >>>>>>>>>>>> hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>











    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
    those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
    most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on >>>>>>>>>>>> the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
    California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.' >>>>>>>>>>>
    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a >>>>>>>>>>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
    yesterday not so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who >>>>>>>>>> is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
    highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
    the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
    Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you which he
    feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
    training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
    untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
    compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
    on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
    races you run. Could I drive around the track at
    something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But >>>>>>>>> compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach >>>>>>>> in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
    heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
    than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
    the next one, if there is one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
    afraid you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
    is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? >>>>>>>>> I'm checking on a regular basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
    experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
    driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
    Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
    to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
    He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
    landing in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
    highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
    I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
    verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
    never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
    he is no longer flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
    like driving through a race course curve versus an
    instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
    gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
    accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look >>>>>>> it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
    aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
    judgements on how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
    Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much >>>>>>> in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
    CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
    issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
    almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
    a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
    hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
    health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived >>>>>>> here you would already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
    competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
    level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
    only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
    one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
    Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
    many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
    existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
    you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
    to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
    intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
    apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
    likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
    aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
    accident record. High g forces break things.
    That's not the way this went down.

    I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general >> aviation flying was the greater pastime.

    I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.

    And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

    Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE. >>>
    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
    have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
    minutes on a short oval.
    Wow.

    30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?

    YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.
    Nope.

    The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.

    And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.

    Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...

    ...all...

    ...the...

    ...time.

    Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You lied again.

    Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be competitive with experienced drivers.

    Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot. You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off
    the list of 5 recent flight available without a paid subscription.

    Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
    aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.

    You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.

    Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri May 5 13:05:33 2023
    On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4,
    Alan wrote:
    On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM
    UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be
    easy, right? After all, everyone drives.

    Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
    current and former Major League Baseball
    pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
    scientists tell me that racing a car is the
    hardest thing they’ve ever done.

    If you were to ask someone who has never
    raced how hard they think it Would be,
    they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
    mountain highway, or across the country.
    I’ve received responses like, “How hard
    could it be? I drive every day, and it’s
    not hard.”

    That’s the problem.'

    <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>













    Oh, and:

    'Racing is much closer to flying fighter
    jets. All those other things I’ve done in
    the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
    driving the twisties on the Tail of the
    Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
    California. In other words, it’s nothing
    like it.'

    Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
    approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
    crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will
    get your attention. What I did yesterday not
    so much, but does take training.
    And, as usual, you think you know more than
    someone who is both a pilot and an accomplished
    racing driver, and highly respect racing
    driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
    and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)

    A man who has literally done both told you
    which he feels is more challenging.

    But you know better.

    (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

    Apples and oranges. Very different challenges
    and training. Both are potentially deadly to the
    unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do
    not think you can compare which is more
    difficult. Just too different.
    But you, who do not do both...

    ...know better than someone who does...

    ...right, Little Shit?

    My point is that you are not capable of the
    flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable
    of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive
    around the track at something faster than
    everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
    "Something faster than every day speeds"?

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision
    approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
    crosswind at night in heavy rain."...

    ...every time you go through a corner.

    As for my trip description it's no more
    self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
    Can't wait to read the next one, if there is
    one.
    Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
    I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.

    BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my
    last email is still an open issue. Are you ever
    going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular
    basis.
    You're continuing to stalk?

    Of course, you cited only one sports person with
    relevant experience claiming that racing is more
    difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was
    catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
    Star.
    Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of
    relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?

    Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his
    Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have
    been a routine landing in good weather.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
    So he wasn't a very good pilot?

    I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride
    to a highly experienced pilot who made the same
    mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a
    go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
    landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
    That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer
    flying for CAP.

    As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
    comparisons like driving through a race course curve
    versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more
    intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
    up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
    The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

    As you have no meaningful personal experience with
    piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any
    person judgements on how difficult it can be.
    I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience,
    Little Shit.

    As for your open issue, it's just very interesting,
    very much in the public domain, and potentially very
    damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and
    it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on
    for years after all. :-)
    Or you could just not stalk people.

    Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
    It was almost painless and no activity restrictions.
    It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I
    was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV
    incident occurred. But you have health care waiting
    lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you
    would already have that fixed. :)
    If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

    On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
    inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
    compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at
    the aircraft race records. The only long-term case
    available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
    the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
    Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal
    accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race
    circuit had in its existence?
    And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

    Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little
    Shit.

    I think you do.

    Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
    certain debt you owe? :-)

    I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing
    race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that
    flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for
    brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft
    comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and
    dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can
    routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident
    record. High g forces break things.
    That's not the way this went down.

    I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that
    your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.

    I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration
    that racing.

    And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.

    Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
    NEVER DONE.

    Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience
    while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman
    car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
    Wow.

    30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
    once?

    YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
    support. And no, I did not spin.
    Nope.

    The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little
    Shit.

    And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.

    Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...

    ...all...

    ...the...

    ...time.

    Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only
    when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You
    lied again.

    Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and chequered"
    flag, Little Shit.

    The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is and
    advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.

    The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in their
    own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean "stop racing"


    Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying
    is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people
    could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be
    competitive with experienced drivers.

    That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.


    Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1
    hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot.
    You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264
    for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent
    flight available without a paid subscription.

    "simulated" with a safety pilot...

    ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?


    Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry,
    LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out
    for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We
    wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other aircraft practicing
    that one so we had to invent a plan B.

    Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were spent
    level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL, correct?


    You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning
    to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.

    Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
    Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out
    braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.

    And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.

    And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that race
    track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument flying to
    what we were discussing.

    You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while other
    cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have) go flying
    past you.

    This whole thing is HILARIOUS.

    I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
    racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
    Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...

    ...and you still want to argue the point.

    CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?

    Yes. From time to time.

    Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.

    Nope. Not unless you're:

    Flying aerobatics...

    ...or fighter jets...

    ...or air racing.

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