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Jolly Roger wrote:

You'll note I don't post to the Android newsgroups - ever.

For the permanent Usenet record, below is an _adult_ observation...


iKooks NOT being on Windows/Linux/Android ngs is _why_ they're cordial.

*The _only_ reason for discord on Apple newsgroups is the religious iKooks.*
*(iKooks viciously attack any possible slight against their God*

Saying a fact, even when well known, against Apple, initiates their ire.
It's like saying "Mohammad is NOT a God" to wacko Islamic fundamentalists.

Just watch. This newsgroup would be normal if it weren't for iKooks.
--
Mohammad misspelled on purpose so as not to initiate religious ire.

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On Mar 28, 2023, Andy Burnelli wrote
(in article<news:tvv570$qrqn$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

nospam wrote:

Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.

*you* constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus
whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
from reputable sources.

you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full well
what the responses will be.

by your own metric, you are a troll.

*The irony meter is about to blow...*

The irony meter is on full tilt screamingly pegged whenever Jolly Roger or nospam say everyone else denies facts and everyone else acts like a child.

Speaking of refuting facts, how many times has nospam deliberately changed
a factual quote simply because he had no _adult_ response to that fact,
and then, after changing the quote, nospam posted his childish 'ftfy' crap?

Thousands upon thousands of times, right?

*How many times has nospam outright denied facts everyone else knows?* Thousands of times, right?

How many times has nospam said a feature that is on all other phones is
"not wanted" and "not needed" simply because Apple couldn't figure out how
to implement it (or if Apple decided not to provide that feature at all)?

Thousands, right?

*How many times has nospam or Jolly Roger insulted a poster* simply for
posting a fact about Apple products they simply didn't like?

Thousands right?

*The irony meter is about to blow...*

When the trolls say everyone else is a troll, the irony meter has already blown up as it's an alternate reality only nospam and Jolly Roger live in.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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nospam wrote:

Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.

*you* constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
from reputable sources.

you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full well
what the responses will be.

by your own metric, you are a troll.

*The irony meter is about to blow...*

The irony meter is on full tilt screamingly pegged whenever Jolly Roger or nospam say everyone else denies facts and everyone else acts like a child.

Speaking of refuting facts, how many times has nospam deliberately changed
a factual quote simply because he had no _adult_ response to that fact,
and then, after changing the quote, nospam posted his childish 'ftfy' crap?

Thousands upon thousands of times, right?

*How many times has nospam outright denied facts everyone else knows?* Thousands of times, right?

How many times has nospam said a feature that is on all other phones is
"not wanted" and "not needed" simply because Apple couldn't figure out how
to implement it (or if Apple decided not to provide that feature at all)?

Thousands, right?

*How many times has nospam or Jolly Roger insulted a poster* simply for
posting a fact about Apple products they simply didn't like?

Thousands right?

*The irony meter is about to blow...*

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sms wrote:

This is a drastic change from ten years ago. But it's good to see that
Apple appears to be making a strong effort to improve security.

Steve us correct that Apple has almost twice the number of recent bugs
and, interestingly so, the iKooks like Jolly Roger are oblivious of it.

Unlike normal people, the iKooks _never_ read anything in the news.
They only know the MARKETING bullshit that Apple feeds them daily.

Steve is correct Android is far superior to iOS in security nowadays.
But, as Steve noted, it wasn't always that Android was more secure.

Steve has a point that Android has made drastic improvements over the
years, whereas iOS is stuck in the stone age with its monolithic iOS
updates.

Android updates seamlessly, almost every day, and certainly weekly and definitely monthly (depending on the type of update needed).

Almost all of it using the Google Play Update mechanism that doesn't even
need the carriers or manufacturers to be involved.

Just the Internet.

What I find revealing is how the iKooks are all unaware of these drastic improvements in Android security - because they never read any news.

The iKooks only get their "news" from Apple marketing brochures.
They still think Android is updated only yearly, for example.

Meanwhile, as Steve noted, Andriod is updated almost daily nowadays.
--
(Only iOS uses the stone age primitive monolithic update mechanism.)

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nospam wrote:

ecurity researchers agree that high-end Android devices (including

Samsung devices with Knox) are now the most secure consumer mobile
devices.

logical fallacy, and false.

FACT:
No smartphone has more zero-day holes (for years!), than the iPhone.

ASSESSMENT:
*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked*

It's a fact, nospam, that Android is _far_ more secure than iOS, where all
you know is the pure marketing bullshit that Apple feeds you to believe.

The reality is that security is far too complicated for you to comprehend,
as there are actually some things where iOS is more secure, but far more
where Android is far more secure - where it's not a 1:1 correspondence.

But you know none of that because all you know is what Apple feeds you in
the glossy marketing brochures which only tout what Apple is good at, but
which never cover what Apple is terrible at (e.g., iPhone zero day holes).

recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.

It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.

more recently, look at the android baseband hack, where all anyone
needs is the user's phone number. that's *it*. the user does not need
to open an email, tap a link or install a nefarious app. that's
*incredibly* bad.

It's a fact, whether you understand it or not, nospam, that the iPhone has
the absolute worst track record on zero-day bugs for years running, nospam.

*To own an iPhone is to already be hacked*

There are reasons for this, most of which is Apple never finds their
zero-day bugs, but all of the reasons are well beyond your comprehension.

those who actually understand how things work know that android is
overall *less* secure, although it has caught up to ios in some ways.

*You fall for every marketing trick in the book nospam.*

I repeat there is no phone with more zero-day holes than the iPhone.
You believe all Apple's marketing bullshit - but you can't deny that fact.

*To own an iPhone is to _already_ be hacked*, nospam.

All the marketing bullshit in the world doesn't change this one fact:
*There is no smartphone with more zero day holes than the iPhone*

You can deny that fact because you hate that fact.
But you can't deny that fact using facts simply because it is a fact.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to try to explain iPhone lack of 0-day security.

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In article <u00qlj$14tv0$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
a lawsuit to make it easier.

It's no longer shocking how you fall for every marketing trick in the book.

that had absolutely nothing to do with marketing.

rest of your ignorant drivel snipped.

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