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nospam wrote:

that is not an issue nor is it even a goal. keeping them separate
offers far more flexibility for various products. for example, ipads *without* cellular. if the modem was integrated, then people would be
forced to pay for something they don't want.

I'm going to treat this convo as if you're an actual adult, nospam. OK?
Apple can't design a best-in-class SOC and the proof is they never have.

The advantage to integration is well known and if Apple wanted to not have
a modem in any particular device they could disable the modem on the board.

The real reason Apple hasn't yet integrated the modem is that they can't.

Think about it, nospam, as an actual _adult_ would think about it.
*Apple can't even get the modem itself out the door*
*How the heck is Apple going to _also_ integrate it into an SOC*

Even when Apple gets the modem out the door on the el cheapo iPhone,
it still will have huge problems (just like _all_ Apple's chips do).

Must I run down the list of unpatchable flaws again for you nospam?
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On 2023-03-02 09:34, Andy Burnelli wrote:

nospam wrote:

that is not an issue nor is it even a goal. keeping them separate
offers far more flexibility for various products. for example, ipads
*without* cellular. if the modem was integrated, then people would be
forced to pay for something they don't want.

I'm going to treat this convo as if you're an actual adult, nospam. OK?
Apple can't design a best-in-class SOC and the proof is they never have.

The Apple Silicon CPUs are considered among the very best CPUs

The advantage to integration is well known and if Apple wanted to not have
a modem in any particular device they could disable the modem on the board.

The real reason Apple hasn't yet integrated the modem is that they can't.

Think about it, nospam, as an actual _adult_ would think about it.
*Apple can't even get the modem itself out the door*
*How the heck is Apple going to _also_ integrate it into an SOC*

Even when Apple gets the modem out the door on the el cheapo iPhone, it
still will have huge problems (just like _all_ Apple's chips do).

Must I run down the list of unpatchable flaws again for you nospam?

Please.

And show that they only exist in APPLE'S CPUs.

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nospam wrote:

there are reasons to integrate it and reasons to not integrate it.

This will be an adult observation of assessment of well-known facts.

The main reason, IMHO, which nospam is skirting around, is that Apple can't even get the modem out the door yet, let alone integrate it in an SOC.

I predicted Apple will never get the modem out until the Qualcomm patents expire but I also predicted Kiev would fall within weeks so let's wait.
*Apple's inability to develop 5G smartphone modem is due to two Qualcomm patents*
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/qualcomm-patent-puts-wrench-into-apples-plan-to-build-5g-modem_id141078 >

But if Apple ever does get a modem out, it's not hard to predict, based on Apple's own record, the first generation will be as bad as the first
generation of Apple Maps was compared to the Google Maps at that time.

What generation is Qualcomm, Samsung, MediaTek & Huawei on already?

Given Apple's highly touted Bionic, Secure Enclave and M1/M2 chips all
contain unpatchable holes, Apple's history isn't in their favor on modems.
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In article <ttqncb$214fs$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

Apple can't
even get the modem out the door yet,

that's because it's too big to fit through ordinary doors.

once they are able to use a smaller process, it should be ok.

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