Hopefully secure browsers like Tor will now be available
as well.
'secure browsers like tor' have been available for many years.
Currently, anyone can create a new iPhone browser, but with one huge restriction: Apple insists that it uses the same WebKit rendering
engine as Safari.
That effectively means that all iOS browsers are the same under the
hood. This limits the number of new features which can be offered by competing browsers, and also means it's impossible to create an iPhone browser which renders pages faster than Safari.
Safari developed a reputation for lagging behind Chrome and Firefox.
Apple, however, appears to be aware of the risk posed by regulators and
has added more staff to the WebKit team to close the capabilities gap.
I'm guessing Google and Mozilla are hedging on some possibly antitrust
remedy aimed at Apple. In any case, I would welcome Gecko and Chromium
onto my iPad (probably not the iPhone though - that's a creaky old 7).
Jason H wrote:
I'm guessing Google and Mozilla are hedging on some possibly antitrust
remedy aimed at Apple. In any case, I would welcome Gecko and
Chromium onto my iPad (probably not the iPhone though - that's a
creaky old 7).
*Privacy*
Every consumer platform _except_ iOS has both TOR & Ungoogled Chromium.
*TOR*
<https:// www.torproject.org /download/>
*Ungoogled Chromium*
<https:// ungoogled-software.github.io /ungoogled-chromium-binaries/>
*Privacy*
Apple only _advertises_ privacy. It's not there when you look for it.
From
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Alan wrote:
From
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit?
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit?
On 2/8/2023 10:30 AM, Nic wrote:
nospam wrote:
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does >>>>Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser
does not
and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of
WebKit?
because they didn't write it and they're not happy that someone else
one-upped them.
Wrong. They say in the FAQ that the best you can do for iOS is Mike's
browser but they say very clearly that Webkit can't provide privacy.
Funny how Apple markets privacy but it's the only platform without it.
Advertising revenue trumps privacy every time. Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser. Google probably doesn't like it much
either but because Android is not a walled garden they can't do much
about it.
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not >> and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit?
because they didn't write it and they're not happy that someone else one-upped them.
nospam wrote:
because they didn't write it and they're not happy that someone elsewhat I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not >>> and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit? >>
one-upped them.
Wrong. They say in the FAQ that the best you can do for iOS is Mike's
browser but they say very clearly that Webkit can't provide privacy.
Funny how Apple markets privacy but it's the only platform without it.
nospam wrote:
because they didn't write it and they're not happy that someone elsewhat I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not >>> and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit? >>
one-upped them.
Wrong. They say in the FAQ that the best you can do for iOS is Mike's
browser but they say very clearly that Webkit can't provide privacy.
Funny how Apple markets privacy but it's the only platform without it.
Funny how Apple markets privacy but it's the only platform without it.
Advertising revenue trumps privacy every time. Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser. Google probably doesn't like it much
either but because Android is not a walled garden they can't do much
about it.
Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser.
obviously wrong, since there is at least one such browser in the app
store.
what I have seen, it behaves the same way that the PC Tor Browser does
Then why does the official Tor Project FAQ say Tegas' iOS browser does not >> and can not provide the privacy of their Tor browser *because* of WebKit?
because they didn't write it and they're not happy that someone else one-upped them.
Wrong. They say in the FAQ that the best you can do for iOS is Mike's
browser but they say very clearly that Webkit can't provide privacy.
sms wrote:
Funny how Apple markets privacy but it's the only platform without it.
Advertising revenue trumps privacy every time. Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser. Google probably doesn't like it much
either but because Android is not a walled garden they can't do much
about it.
I have to agree with you that the clueless naysayers don't ever know what everyone else knows and they can't even be bothered to ever look it up.
They don't realize Apple sold their privacy to Google for fifteen billion!
Did you hear about the class action "sharing profits" suit on that deal? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/05/google-pays-apple-stay-out-of-search/
Apple advertises privacy but by forcing all browsers to be built on Webkit, iOS is the only platform that can't give users the ultimate in Tor privacy. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
nospam wrote:
Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser.
obviously wrong, since there is at least one such browser in the app
store.
It's not the browser skin silly, it's webkit that doesn't provide privacy. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
There could be thousands of browsers billing themselves as tor browsers in the app store and all of them would suffer from the lack of webkit privacy.
You know nothing about iOS if you don't know they are all built on webkit.
it's webkit that doesn't provide privacy.
Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser.
On 2023-02-08 11:57, Nic wrote:
nospam wrote:
Obviously Apple doesn't want to allow the Tor browser.
obviously wrong, since there is at least one such browser in the app
store.
It's not the browser skin silly, it's webkit that doesn't provide
privacy. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
There could be thousands of browsers billing themselves as tor
browsers in the app store and all of them would suffer from the lack
of webkit privacy.
You know nothing about iOS if you don't know they are all built on
webkit.
"We recommend an iOS app called Onion Browser, which is open source,
uses Tor routing, and is developed by someone who works closely with
the Tor Project."
What they say about WebKit is not supported by a single example.
Funny that.
Did you hear about the class action "sharing profits" suit on that deal? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/05/google-pays-apple-stay-out-of-search/
A lot of non-technical people don't realize the limitations of
all browsers on iOS,
you've obviously never written an app that uses webkit (or any sort of
app for that matter).
nospam wrote:
Obviously Apple doesn't
want to allow the Tor browser.
obviously wrong, since there is at least one such browser in the app
store.
It's not the browser skin silly, it's webkit that doesn't provide privacy. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
There could be thousands of browsers billing themselves as tor browsers in the app store and all of them would suffer from the lack of webkit privacy.
You know nothing about iOS if you don't know they are all built on webkit.
nospam wrote:
you've obviously never written an app that uses webkit (or any sort of
app for that matter).
Your claim the mere skin put on top of webkit confers privacy is ludicrous.
This is what the Tor Project says is the major privacy flaw in webkit. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit, which prevents [any browser] from having the same privacy protections as Tor Browser."
Your claim that the skin can give webkit the privacy it doesn't have is ludicrous to the point that it's obvious you have no idea what webkit is.
A lot of non-technical people don't realize the limitations of
all browsers on iOS,
nor do they realize the capabilities. instead they just believe what
they read online somewhere (or they're the source of such drivel).
on the other hand, a lot of technical people understand what the
*actual* limitations of ios are, not what you think they might be.
And now you're telling everyone that you know more than everyone else?
And now you're telling everyone that you know more than everyone else?
nope. that's what you and sms do.
nospam wrote:
And now you're telling everyone that you know more than everyone else?
nope. that's what you and sms do.
You're the one who claimed a skin on webkit confers Tor Project privacy.
It's clear it's you, not us, who doesn't know a damn thing about iOS.
And now you're telling everyone that you know more than everyone else?
nope. that's what you and sms do.
You're the one who claimed a skin on webkit confers Tor Project privacy.
nospam wrote:
A lot of non-technical people don't realize the limitations of all
browsers on iOS,
nor do they realize the capabilities. instead they just believe what
they read online somewhere (or they're the source of such drivel).
on the other hand, a lot of technical people understand what the
*actual* limitations of ios are, not what you think they might be.
That's your response to the fact you don't understand webkit?
/I don't know a damn thing about iOS./
Explain what he supposedly doesn't understand about web kit
Obviously Apple doesn't want to allow the Tor browser.
You're the one who claimed a skin on webkit confers Tor Project privacy.
if that's what you think i said, then you know less than i thought,
which already was close to zero.
Obviously Apple doesn't want to allow the Tor browser.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Explain what he supposedly doesn't understand about web kit
This is what the Tor Project said about webkit browsers. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit
which prevents [any browser that relies on webkit] from having
the same privacy protections as does the Tor Browser."
This is what nospam said about webkit browsers which shows he knows not
only nothing about webkit based browsers, but he knows nothing about TOR.
From: nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:16:41 -0500
Message-ID: <080220231416417562%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In article <ts0q34$9m2p$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Obviously Apple doesn't want to allow the Tor browser.
obviously wrong, since there is at least one such browser in the app
store.
nospam wrote:
You're the one who claimed a skin on webkit confers Tor Project privacy.
if that's what you think i said, then you know less than i thought,
which already was close to zero.
You know nothing about iOS.
You know nothing about WebKit.
You know nothing about the Tor Browser.
While all that is clear, what's also clear is you lie about everything.
You don't understands iOS. You don't understand webkit. And you don't understand how the Tor Browser achieves the anonymity that it does.
This is what the Tor Project says is the major privacy flaw in webkit. https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit, which prevents [any browser that relies on webkit] from having the same privacy protections as does the Tor Browser."
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