'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.ROTFLMAO!
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
OH, also you forgot this part too!
"A vehicle that travels at A SPEED LESS THAN THE ESTABLISHED MAXIMUM
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the interstate highways."
Read my HUD. Feel free to point out where I was going under the limit
except in transitioning and transiting rouundabouts. If you are at or
over the established maximum you are entitled to the left lane.
Anyone passing you on the right is speeding and breaking the law.
Of course, what you posted did not include that little fact.
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
And, of course, liar by omission that you are, you forgot to include
this quote (emphasis added):
"A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS."
Note that in the video I linked we all cruising at or a bit above the
posted limit that you can even see in the HUD.
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should
reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate highways."
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Try that in city traffic. This is reality - video made on Jan 15,
2023 in Carmel IN. Ahead I confess that I went over the speed limit
at times.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19K_M0HsroJltI7j6eydDARijzaXgvvyK/view?usp=share_link
Note all the traffic that stays in the left lane. Changing lanes
frequently in city traffic is itself a hazard.
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying >>>> to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should
reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in
the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move
over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should
reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the
vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate highways."
On 2023-01-16 06:06, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
And, of course, liar by omission that you are, you forgot to include
this quote (emphasis added):
"A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximumThat's called a PREAMBLE, and doesn't change the force and effect of the rest of the law.
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS."
Note that in the video I linked we all cruising at or a bit above the posted limit that you can even see in the HUD.But that wasn't the incident where your wife had an accident, was it?
:-)
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying >>>> to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move >>>> over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should >>>> reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the >>>> vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the >>>> vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in
the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!Because it was an independent section of the same law.
It had no effect at all on section (b).
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying >>>> to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move >>>> over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should
reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the >>>> vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the >>>> vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in
the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!Because it was an independent section of the same law.
It had no effect at all on section (b).
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:Because it was an independent section of the same law.
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes isROTFLMAO!
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and trying >>>>>> to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move >>>>>> over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each >>>>>> direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should >>>>>> reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the >>>>>> vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the >>>>>> vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in
the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
You still have not cited the entire change that was made in 2015. That's found here, among other changes:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1305#document-dcb1fa00
Here is the text:
SECTION 67. IC 9-21-5-7 IS AMENDED TO READ AS
FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 7.
(a)
A person may not
drive a motor vehicle at a slow speed that impedes or blocks the normal
and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is
necessary for safe operation or in compliance with the law. A person
who is driving:
(1) on a roadway that has not more than one (1) lane of traffic
in each direction; and
(2)
at a slow speed so that three (3) or more other vehicles are
blocked and cannot pass on the left around the vehicle;
shall give right-of-way to the other vehicles by pulling off to the right
of the right lane at the earliest reasonable opportunity and allowing the blocked vehicles to pass.
(b) A person who fails to give right-of-way as required by
subsection (a) commits a Class C infraction.
SECTION 68. IC 9-21-5-8.5, AS AMENDED BY P.L.221-2014,
SECTION 38, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE
JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 8.5.
(a)
A person may not operate a low speed
vehicle on a highway that has a speed limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour.
(b) A person who operates a low speed vehicle on a highway that
has a speed limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour
commits a Class C infraction.
SECTION 69. IC 9-21-5-9 IS AMENDED TO READ AS
FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 9.
(a)
A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate
highways.
(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in
each direction; and
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(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from
the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue
to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.
(c) Subsection (b) does not apply:
(1) when traffic conditions or congestion make it necessary to
operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(2) when inclement weather, obstructions, or hazards make it
necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(3) when compliance with a law, a regulation, an ordinance,
or a traffic control device makes it necessary to operate a
vehicle in the left most lane;
(4) when exiting a roadway or turning to the left;
(5) when paying a toll or user fee at a toll collection facility;
(6) to an authorized emergency vehicle operated in the course
of duty; or
(7) to vehicles operated or used in the course of highway
maintenance or construction.
(d) A person who violates this section commits a Class C
infraction.
I invoke the congestion rule. As for the accident there were only two other people who matter, the police and the other party's insurance adjuster. Both agreed that my wife was not at fault.
Now, please explain why drivers in your area behave just like drivers here regarding this behavior.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two
lanes is driving in the left lane and another car is in the
left lane and trying to get around this driver, then the
slower driver has a duty to move over into the right lane
unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic
in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for
high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows,
or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is
overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is
operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in the
left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall
travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
And Alan, in Indiana passing on the right is permitted: https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_9-21-8-6
Indiana Code 9-21-8-6. Overtaking and passing on the right;
conditions Current as of: 2022 | Check for updates | Other versions
Sec. 6. (a) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass upon
the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions: (1)
When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for
two (2) or more lanes of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction
being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
(b) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions that permit overtaking
upon the right in safety. Overtaking upon the right may not be made
by driving off the roadway.
The other driver in our accident violated item (2). She was trying to
make an illegal left turn by choosing the wrong lane.
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:42 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 06:06, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That's called a PREAMBLE, and doesn't change the force and effect of the
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
And, of course, liar by omission that you are, you forgot to include
this quote (emphasis added):
"A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS."
rest of the law.
But that wasn't the incident where your wife had an accident, was it?
Note that in the video I linked we all cruising at or a bit above the
posted limit that you can even see in the HUD.
:-)
We were in traffic, keeping up, and in the roundabout when the accident happened.
In the video the guy in the Mustang was in the right lane, going way over the limit, and shot the gap.You don't have video of the incident under discussion, so please explain
There was no one pushing me to get by. Traffic was heavy for Carmel.
Another drive today. Pay attention to the oncoming traffic.
On 2023-01-17 06:16, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:Because it was an independent section of the same law.
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is >>>>>> driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and tryingROTFLMAO!
to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move >>>>>> over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions applies. ' >>>>>>
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each >>>>>> direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high >>>>>> occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should >>>>>> reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the >>>>>> vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the >>>>>> vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in >>>> the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
You still have not cited the entire change that was made in 2015. That's found here, among other changes:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1305#document-dcb1fa00
Here is the text:
SECTION 67. IC 9-21-5-7 IS AMENDED TO READ AS
FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 7.
(a)
A person may not
drive a motor vehicle at a slow speed that impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is
necessary for safe operation or in compliance with the law. A person
who is driving:
(1) on a roadway that has not more than one (1) lane of traffic
in each direction; and
(2)
at a slow speed so that three (3) or more other vehicles are
blocked and cannot pass on the left around the vehicle;
shall give right-of-way to the other vehicles by pulling off to the right of the right lane at the earliest reasonable opportunity and allowing the blocked vehicles to pass.
(b) A person who fails to give right-of-way as required by
subsection (a) commits a Class C infraction.
SECTION 68. IC 9-21-5-8.5, AS AMENDED BY P.L.221-2014,
SECTION 38, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE
JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 8.5.
(a)
A person may not operate a low speed
vehicle on a highway that has a speed limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour.
(b) A person who operates a low speed vehicle on a highway that
has a speed limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour
commits a Class C infraction.
SECTION 69. IC 9-21-5-9 IS AMENDED TO READ AS
FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 9.
(a)
A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the interstate highways.
(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in
each direction; and
HEA 1305 — CC 1
29
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from
the rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue
to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.
(c) Subsection (b) does not apply:
(1) when traffic conditions or congestion make it necessary to
operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(2) when inclement weather, obstructions, or hazards make it
necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane;
(3) when compliance with a law, a regulation, an ordinance,
or a traffic control device makes it necessary to operate a
vehicle in the left most lane;
(4) when exiting a roadway or turning to the left;
(5) when paying a toll or user fee at a toll collection facility;
(6) to an authorized emergency vehicle operated in the course
of duty; or
(7) to vehicles operated or used in the course of highway
maintenance or construction.
(d) A person who violates this section commits a Class C
infraction.
I invoke the congestion rule. As for the accident there were only two other people who matter, the police and the other party's insurance adjuster. Both agreed that my wife was not at fault.I never claimed that the other driver wasn't primarily at fault.
But you brought up this whole incident as an example of how speeding led
to accidents...
...which it wasn't.
And I countered with the fact that if you wanted to discuss infractions
that contributed to the collision, your wife being in the wrong lane was
one of them.
Now, please explain why drivers in your area behave just like drivers here regarding this behavior.Nope. What other shitty drivers do doesn't change that your wife's
driving was shitty.
On 2023-01-16 18:51, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:42 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 06:06, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That's called a PREAMBLE, and doesn't change the force and effect of the >> rest of the law.
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty
to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each
direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the
rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
And, of course, liar by omission that you are, you forgot to include
this quote (emphasis added):
"A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS."
But that wasn't the incident where your wife had an accident, was it?
Note that in the video I linked we all cruising at or a bit above the
posted limit that you can even see in the HUD.
:-)
We were in traffic, keeping up, and in the roundabout when the accident happened.But the situation that LED to the accident was BEFORE the roundabout.
In the video the guy in the Mustang was in the right lane, going way over the limit, and shot the gap.You don't have video of the incident under discussion, so please explain
why I should care about your deflections and obfuscations.
There was no one pushing me to get by. Traffic was heavy for Carmel.So you say now.
Another drive today. Pay attention to the oncoming traffic.Nope. Not interested in today.
<obfuscations snipped>
On 2023-01-17 07:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two
lanes is driving in the left lane and another car is in the
left lane and trying to get around this driver, then the
slower driver has a duty to move over into the right lane
unless one of the exceptions applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic
in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for
high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows,
or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is
overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is
operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in the
left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall
travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic
on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
And Alan, in Indiana passing on the right is permitted: https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_9-21-8-6
Indiana Code 9-21-8-6. Overtaking and passing on the right;
conditions Current as of: 2022 | Check for updates | Other versions
Sec. 6. (a) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass upon
the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions: (1)
When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for
two (2) or more lanes of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction
being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
(b) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions that permit overtaking
upon the right in safety. Overtaking upon the right may not be made
by driving off the roadway.
The other driver in our accident violated item (2). She was trying toWow.
make an illegal left turn by choosing the wrong lane.
Wrong again.
He she make an illegal turn? Yup!
Is it in any way covered by the paragraphs you posted? Nope.
Your wife SHOULD have been in the right lane as there was a car
attempting to overtake her.
When the road switched from 1 lane each way to 2 lanes, she should have
moved right. That part isn't law, it's just good driving etiquette, and
I understand that while living her life with a shit like you, she might
have not learned much about it.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 18:51, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:28:42 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:But the situation that LED to the accident was BEFORE the roundabout.
On 2023-01-16 06:06, Thomas E. wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:08:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:That's called a PREAMBLE, and doesn't change the force and effect of the >>>> rest of the law.
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than two lanes is
driving in the left lane and another car is in the left lane and
trying to get around this driver, then the slower driver has a duty >>>>>> to move over into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of traffic in each >>>>>> direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated for high
occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or
should reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the >>>>>> rear the vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to
operate the vehicle in the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
And, of course, liar by omission that you are, you forgot to include >>>>> this quote (emphasis added):
"A vehicle that travels at a speed less than the established maximum >>>>> shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic >>>>> on the INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS."
But that wasn't the incident where your wife had an accident, was it?
Note that in the video I linked we all cruising at or a bit above the >>>>> posted limit that you can even see in the HUD.
:-)
We were in traffic, keeping up, and in the roundabout when the accident happened.
You don't have video of the incident under discussion, so please explain
In the video the guy in the Mustang was in the right lane, going way over the limit, and shot the gap.
why I should care about your deflections and obfuscations.
So you say now.
There was no one pushing me to get by. Traffic was heavy for Carmel.
Nope. Not interested in today.
Another drive today. Pay attention to the oncoming traffic.
<obfuscations snipped>
Not interested because it shows you have created a false narrative.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:25:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-17 06:16, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John
wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than
two lanes is driving in the left lane and another car
is in the left lane and trying to get around this
driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move over
into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Here is the text:Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of
traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated
for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who
knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle
is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person
is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in
the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow
of traffic on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
You still have not cited the entire change that was made in 2015.
That's found here, among other changes:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/house/1305#document-dcb1fa00
I never claimed that the other driver wasn't primarily at fault.
SECTION 67. IC 9-21-5-7 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE
JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 7. (a) A person may not drive a motor vehicle
at a slow speed that impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable
movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for
safe operation or in compliance with the law. A person who is
driving: (1) on a roadway that has not more than one (1) lane of
traffic in each direction; and (2) at a slow speed so that three
(3) or more other vehicles are blocked and cannot pass on the
left around the vehicle; shall give right-of-way to the other
vehicles by pulling off to the right of the right lane at the
earliest reasonable opportunity and allowing the blocked vehicles
to pass. (b) A person who fails to give right-of-way as required
by subsection (a) commits a Class C infraction. SECTION 68. IC
9-21-5-8.5, AS AMENDED BY P.L.221-2014, SECTION 38, IS AMENDED TO
READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 8.5. (a) A person
may not operate a low speed vehicle on a highway that has a speed
limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour. (b) A person
who operates a low speed vehicle on a highway that has a speed
limit in excess of thirty-five (35) miles per hour commits a
Class C infraction. SECTION 69. IC 9-21-5-9 IS AMENDED TO READ
AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2015]: Sec. 9. (a) A vehicle that
travels at a speed less than the established maximum shall travel
in the right lanes to provide for better flow of traffic on the
interstate highways. (b) This subsection applies to the operation
of a vehicle: (1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of
traffic in each direction; and HEA 1305 — CC 1 29 (2) in the left
most lane, other than a lane designated for high occupancy
vehicles. Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who
knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle is
overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person is operating
may not continue to operate the vehicle in the left most lane.
(c) Subsection (b) does not apply: (1) when traffic conditions or
congestion make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left
most lane; (2) when inclement weather, obstructions, or hazards
make it necessary to operate a vehicle in the left most lane; (3)
when compliance with a law, a regulation, an ordinance, or a
traffic control device makes it necessary to operate a vehicle in
the left most lane; (4) when exiting a roadway or turning to the
left; (5) when paying a toll or user fee at a toll collection
facility; (6) to an authorized emergency vehicle operated in the
course of duty; or (7) to vehicles operated or used in the course
of highway maintenance or construction. (d) A person who violates
this section commits a Class C infraction.
I invoke the congestion rule. As for the accident there were only
two other people who matter, the police and the other party's
insurance adjuster. Both agreed that my wife was not at fault.
But you brought up this whole incident as an example of how
speeding led to accidents...
...which it wasn't.
And I countered with the fact that if you wanted to discuss
infractions that contributed to the collision, your wife being in
the wrong lane was one of them.
Nope. What other shitty drivers do doesn't change that your wife's
Now, please explain why drivers in your area behave just like
drivers here regarding this behavior.
driving was shitty.
LOL, my wife was doing nothing wrong. She was in a lane to go the
direction of intended travel, the other driver was not, and caused
the wreck. Thia is all about you making unfounded assumptions to
denigrate.
When you actually have some experience driving in roundabouts maybe
you will have the right to criticize. Maybe when you have a few
hundred aircraft touch and go ops you can criticize a pilot's logbook entries.
In the meantime Vancouver has almost no roundabouts and you have no meaningful flying experience.
Try making this video I just published: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ranVejy5Yz89ChnavXIDo_V1VUxXSKOL/view?usp=share_link
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:21:21 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-17 07:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John
wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than
two lanes is driving in the left lane and another car
is in the left lane and trying to get around this
driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move over
into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Indiana Code 9-21-8-6. Overtaking and passing on the right;Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of
traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated
for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who
knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle
is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person
is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in
the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow
of traffic on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
And Alan, in Indiana passing on the right is permitted:
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_9-21-8-6 >>>
conditions Current as of: 2022 | Check for updates | OtherWow.
versions Sec. 6. (a) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake
and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the
following conditions: (1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or
about to make a left turn.
(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width
for two (2) or more lanes of vehicles moving lawfully in the
direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
(b) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions that permit
overtaking upon the right in safety. Overtaking upon the right
may not be made by driving off the roadway.
The other driver in our accident violated item (2). She was
trying to make an illegal left turn by choosing the wrong lane.
Wrong again.
He she make an illegal turn? Yup!
Is it in any way covered by the paragraphs you posted? Nope.
Your wife SHOULD have been in the right lane as there was a car
attempting to overtake her.
When the road switched from 1 lane each way to 2 lanes, she should
have moved right. That part isn't law, it's just good driving
etiquette, and I understand that while living her life with a shit
like you, she might have not learned much about it.
As I mentioned there was traffic on the right. The car that hit us
was in the wrong lane. Even if that car had been beside us we would
have expected it to turn right with us.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:52:37 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-23 17:27, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:21:21 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-17 07:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John
wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than
two lanes is driving in the left lane and another car
is in the left lane and trying to get around this
driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move over
into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Indiana Code 9-21-8-6. Overtaking and passing on the right;Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of
traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated
for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who
knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle
is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person
is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in
the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow
of traffic on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
And Alan, in Indiana passing on the right is permitted:
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_9-21-8-6 >>>>>
And again, you try and claim that I had ever claimed the other driverconditions Current as of: 2022 | Check for updates | OtherWow.
versions Sec. 6. (a) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake
and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the
following conditions: (1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or
about to make a left turn.
(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width
for two (2) or more lanes of vehicles moving lawfully in the
direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
(b) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions that permit
overtaking upon the right in safety. Overtaking upon the right
may not be made by driving off the roadway.
The other driver in our accident violated item (2). She was
trying to make an illegal left turn by choosing the wrong lane.
Wrong again.
He she make an illegal turn? Yup!
Is it in any way covered by the paragraphs you posted? Nope.
Your wife SHOULD have been in the right lane as there was a car
attempting to overtake her.
When the road switched from 1 lane each way to 2 lanes, she should
have moved right. That part isn't law, it's just good driving
etiquette, and I understand that while living her life with a shit
like you, she might have not learned much about it.
As I mentioned there was traffic on the right. The car that hit us
was in the wrong lane. Even if that car had been beside us we would
have expected it to turn right with us.
wasn't in the wrong.
Hence "Lying Little Shit".
You keep claiming it was my wife's fault!
On 2023-01-23 17:27, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 7:21:21 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:'(b) This subsection applies to the operation of a vehicle:
On 2023-01-17 07:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-01-16 12:22, John wrote:
On 1/16/2023 6:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5, John
wrote:
On 1/14/2023 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
'In a nutshell, if a driver on a road with more than
two lanes is driving in the left lane and another car
is in the left lane and trying to get around this
driver, then the slower driver has a duty to move over
into the right lane unless one of the exceptions
applies. '
<https://chrismartindalelaw.com/2021/09/08/the-left-lane-law-and-who-needs-to-get-out-of-it/>
Indiana Code 9-21-8-6. Overtaking and passing on the right;Because it was an independent section of the same law.ROTFLMAO!
(1) on a roadway that has two (2) or more lanes of
traffic in each direction; and
(2) in the left most lane, other than a lane designated
for high occupancy vehicles.
Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who
knows, or should reasonably know, that another vehicle
is overtaking from the rear the vehicle that the person
is operating may not continue to operate the vehicle in
the left most lane.'
The end.
Period.
Full stop.
Me too. He did not include this from the intro: "A vehicle
that travels at a speed less than the established maximum
shall travel in the right lanes to provide for better flow
of traffic on the interstate highways."
How convenient for him to leave that out! LOL!!
It had no effect at all on section (b).
And Alan, in Indiana passing on the right is permitted:
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/indiana/in-code/indiana_code_9-21-8-6 >>>
conditions Current as of: 2022 | Check for updates | OtherWow.
versions Sec. 6. (a) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake
and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the
following conditions: (1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or
about to make a left turn.
(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width
for two (2) or more lanes of vehicles moving lawfully in the
direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.
(b) A person who drives a vehicle may overtake and pass another
vehicle upon the right only under conditions that permit
overtaking upon the right in safety. Overtaking upon the right
may not be made by driving off the roadway.
The other driver in our accident violated item (2). She was
trying to make an illegal left turn by choosing the wrong lane.
Wrong again.
He she make an illegal turn? Yup!
Is it in any way covered by the paragraphs you posted? Nope.
Your wife SHOULD have been in the right lane as there was a car
attempting to overtake her.
When the road switched from 1 lane each way to 2 lanes, she should
have moved right. That part isn't law, it's just good driving
etiquette, and I understand that while living her life with a shit
like you, she might have not learned much about it.
As I mentioned there was traffic on the right. The car that hit usAnd again, you try and claim that I had ever claimed the other driver
was in the wrong lane. Even if that car had been beside us we would
have expected it to turn right with us.
wasn't in the wrong.
Hence "Lying Little Shit".
…
When you actually have some experience driving in roundabouts maybe you
will have the right to criticize.
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