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nospam wrote:

Making it easy for a customer to repair a phone goes against Apple mantra.

that must be why they offer self-repair tools and parts.

<https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair>

Hehhehheh...

If what you say is correct, then that's what Apple already told the EU.

For some strange reason, it appears the EU isn't as gullible as you are.

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nospam wrote:

In article <GlopL.185704$8_id.74390@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

[1] A reasonably skilled person with a few low cost tools can do the
battery service on, ie, any given iPhone and probably most Android
phones (I haven't looked at one in a long time). But not something a
lot (or even most) people would want to attempt or bother with.

yep. as i said, i know kids who do it.

those who are not interested in doing it themselves (and don't know
anyone who will do it for them) can take it to a repair shop, much like
they do for vehicle batteries (which have also become much harder to replace).

that's hardly a burden for something that *might* need to be replaced
once in 4-5 years.

*Everything out of the mouth of an iKook is based on ignorance...*

I have Alan Browne in my killfile so I only see what nospam re-quoted,
but what's no longer shocking is how fantastically _ignorant_ iKooks are.

I can't tell if Alan Browne knows that it's _impossible_ to do the job correctly without highly specialized Apple-specific software tools.

But it's clear nospam is _completely ignorant_ these tools even exist.

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nospam wrote:

Trolls make up dumb claims but never have citations, references. or
sources.

by that definition, you are a troll.

As a well educated logically sensible adult, I agree with anyone who makes
a sensible argument, especially if they bring in easily found cited facts.

With that in mind, I must agree with nospam that, at times, Steve _is_ a
troll, as are you nospam, and as am I (in the eyes of many who are here).

*We all have messages we wish to promulgate*, such as:
a. Steve ==> he's always pushing his Verizon shtick
(to the point that he fabricates his data)
b. nospam ==> You're always defending Apple to the death
(you will even deny what Apple won't deny)
c. me ==> I'm always pushing my FACTS agenda against iKooks
(to the point that people may get tired of it)

one of your dumbest claims is face id not working in the dark, without
any citation, because it's laughably stupid and so easily debunked.

Here I have to chastise nospam in that he brings up that every time he has
no adult argument (like a child, all nospam's rebuttals are sophomoric).

You won't let go of that bone, and I know why, which is that it's your
childish way of denying all facts about Apple that you simply don't like.

By bringing up that bone, time and time again, you can _deflect_ any
argument from the unfortunate facts which you so desperately want to be ignored.

By way of similar retort, I could bring up _many_ of your idiotic
statements (such as the one where you claimed Androids no longer have an
app drawer) when you were desperate to defend the lack of an app drawer on
the iOS devices (since then only half rectified).

You, nospam, make more idiotic statements than Steve (e.g., you incessantly brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality that simply doesn't exist).

Hence, if I had to line up the idiotic statements made by Steve along with
the idiotic statements made by you, nospam, yours outnumber his by a mile.

That's why my document...infuriates them‹nearly every
item includes a source or citation, so they can't dispute the accuracy.

get off your high horse. they can dispute it and have, and you ignore
all of it, instead bashing those who dispute it while pretending to be
the expert you're not.

Here, you're only partly correct, nospam.

Steve's document doesn't infuriate me in the least, so Steve's claim that
it does is insincere. My only argument is I've emailed Steve (using private email) corrections and Steve hasn't implemented a single one of them.

However... to Steve's credit, I've posted screenshots showing errors in
Steve's document (again, Steve didn't know it was me), which Steve actually "stole" (which is fine by me since I only care for the facts) and used
in that document.

So it's a testament to my acumen that some of what's in Steve's document
was crafted by me.

My main point is that nospam's claim that everything in Steve's document is wrong is just nospam hating that most of the things in Steve's document are correct.

As Hank Rogers aptly intoned, nospam should write his own document.

your 'citations' are highly cherry-picked and trivially refuted in
almost every case, such as a fingerprint manufacturer claiming
fingerprint sensors are good.

Again, your accusations here are only partly accurate.

Certainly Steve fabricated his T-Mobile versus Verizon coverage graphs, so Steve isn't beyond messing with the data (just as nospam is too).

But I'm not going to get into the wars of whose marketing gimmick is
better, you do seem to concentrate mostly on meaningless marketing
gimmicks, nospam.

You bring this up, every time, to _deflect_ from the unfortunate truth.
It seems to be your mantra.

You claim all the meaningless marketing gimmicks by Apple are much better
than the meaningless marketing gimmicks that are found on Android devices.

And, better yet, since there are _many_ Android OEMs, you get to pick the
worst example of those meaningless marketing gimmicks to compare to.

In short, you _adore_ meaningless marketing gimmicks because you can cherry pick the worst to compare to your Apple meaningless marketing gimmicks.

worse, you ignore corrections, or even a discussion as to why it's
wrong, instead resorting to thinly veiled ad hominem attacks, because
you *can't* actually back up your claims.

In this case, nospam has a decent point...

I have to admit, Steve _does_ ignore corrections, as I've sent them to him
in email and on this newsgroup - but Steve _does_ assimilate some of them.

While I respect Steve's ability to find cheap cellular plans (which isn't
my shtick) and I respect Steve's ability to find cheap but worthy hardware (most of which I purchase), Steve and I differ greatly in logical
assessments.

Hence, Steve hates me (and that's fine by me).
I'm not here to be loved.

But in plonking me, Steve loses out on my vast Android acumen, which, let's just be blunt, knocks the socks off of Steve's limited Android knowledge
when it comes to using apps on the phone to do the job needed to be done.

Since I read (and respond to) Steve's posts, Steve is the intellectual
loser here; not me. I love when Steve posts good cheap available hardware.

And I love reading Steve's iOS/Android comparison document as I own plenty
of iOS devices along with plenty of Android devices. I'm agnostic on h/w.

Steve and I are both electrical engineers, so we "can" understand anything;
but Steve eliminates the possibility of him understanding what I am
fantastic at, which is choosing the best free apps for any given task.

So be it.

They feel that someone that has so many iOS and iPadOS devices should
never point out any issues with those devices‹sorry, I like my Apple
devices very much, but they are not without some issues and limitations.

nobody said there aren't limitations. that's another one of your
bullshit claims.

I must agree with nospam, for this one, in that even nospam won't say
directly that the iOS devices don't have "some" limitations.

Of course, nospam will go to great lengths to divert the conversation
_away_ from iOS limitations, even to the point of incessant brazen
fabrications of imaginary functionality - so nospam isn't without fault.

The constant claim from nospam that you need to be a developer (like he "claims" he is) just to get iOS basic functionality is just one of those.

everything has limitations. nothing is perfect in this world.

You say that all the time - but I don't think you actually believe it.
You actually believe that iOS devices _are_ perfect nospam.

You won't admit that directly though - but it's what you say when you invariably defend every single flaw in Apple devices to the death.

For example, will you ever admit there are no apps on the App Store that
have the ability to do, oh, say, automatic call recording, or, say,
graphical wi-fi and cellular signal strength debugging, or, oh, say, gps
mock location spoofing, etc.?

The answer is no.

That means you actually will never admit to the severe crippling
limitations in iOS - so your own statement above is watered down.

the problem is the 'limitations' you claim are generally because you
don't know how to do something and assume it can't be done.

While I have to again agree with nospam that Steve is severely limited in
what Android apps can do, in general Steve does a pretty good job of
outlining the differences in capabilities between iOS and Android hardware.

Notice what I'm saying here, which is that Steve isn't bad at understanding
the differences in hardware between Android and iOS devices... but Steve
_is_ vastly limited in his understanding of what _software_ exists to solve problems (particularly on the Android side of things).

Yet, in all cases, Steve seems to be far more accurate than is nospam.

you're so busy making up bogus limitations which are easily refuted,
that the real issues never get discussed.

That's a prophetic projection from nospam in that nospam is always
fabricating imaginary functionality for iOS so that he can deflect from the fact that iOS can't do all the many things nospam claims that the only way
you can get that functionality is for every user to write their own apps.

In summary, some of what nospam says about Steve is correct, but in almost
all those cases, nospam is a more egregious offender than Steve ever was.

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Wade Garrett wrote:

* Even those that do bother to work are also only going to be doing so
 for four days a week (three days from home), while getting 40 weeks
 holiday per year because their friend's neighbour's hairdresser's pet
 mouse died.

Then there's California's legislature-created Reparations Task Force
charged with investigating a strategy for making huge cash payments to a group of folks who never were slaves and which will be funded by a group
of other folks who never owned slaves.

Wonder if you'll be able to newly self-identify as a member of the group getting the money...at least until the check clears?

These are philosophical discussions, where nobody is right and nobody is
wrong, but at least you should understand both sides of each story.

On the philosophy of how much government should control business, the one
side feels that business, in general, is "more efficient" at innovation
than is government - which are those arguing that Apple's non-standard plug
end is (somehow?) a good thing in that direction.

The opposite philosophy is that Apple has always gouged the consumer by entrapping them in the glue trap which the customer has to pay for release.

On the strange topic Wade Garrett brought up about slave ownership
reparations (I guess that's what he's talking about), first you have to distinguish being the government "talking about" something (as in "talking about repealing the AMT because of the unfairness) and the government
actually "doing" something....

But assuming, a priori, that Wade is correct, and assuming his assessment
is correct (which we will take with a huge grain of salt), then...

One side argues, philosophically, as Wade did, people who never benefited
from owning slaves are paying good money to people who were never slaves.

However...

The other philosophical side of that same argument is that, due to the
passing down of property over the centuries, that indeed, people who exist today who never owned slaves, nonetheless, DID benefit from their ancestors
who did.

It's harder to make a connection between those who used to be slaves
hundreds of years ago and those who were affected over the centuries
though, as every ethnicity was a slave if you go deeply enough into history (and you don't even have to go that deep in some cases).
--
Caveat: I realize this is off topic but I'm responding to Wade & nospam.

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Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

One side argues, philosophically, as Wade did, people who never benefited from owning slaves are paying good money to people who were never slaves.

However...

The other philosophical side of that same argument is that, due to the passing down of property over the centuries, that indeed, people who exist today who never owned slaves, nonetheless, DID benefit from their ancestors who did.

And then there are those of us who are first generation Americans whose
parent immigrated to this country who had absolutely no responsibility for
the slavery which occurred 200+ years ago and haven’t benefited in any way. Yet we are still held responsible, expected to feel guilty, reverse discriminated against, and forced to pay reparations to those who have a
far better life now than they ever would have otherwise.

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 04:05:37 +1100, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

One side argues, philosophically, as Wade did, people who never
benefited
from owning slaves are paying good money to people who were never
slaves.

However...

The other philosophical side of that same argument is that, due to the
passing down of property over the centuries, that indeed, people who
exist
today who never owned slaves, nonetheless, DID benefit from their
ancestors
who did.

And then there are those of us who are first generation Americans whose parent immigrated to this country who had absolutely no responsibility
for
the slavery which occurred 200+ years ago and haven’t benefited in any
way.

Yes you did. It was those slave owners who made the USA what it
is today and made it worth your unspeakable illegal immigrants
want to move to the USA.

Yet we are still held responsible, expected to feel guilty, reverse discriminated against, and forced to pay reparations to those who have a
far better life now than they ever would have otherwise.

Specially the ones who died on the slave ships in transit.

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badgolferman wrote:

And then there are those of us who are first generation Americans whose parent immigrated to this country who had absolutely no responsibility for the slavery which occurred 200+ years ago and haven¢t benefited in any way. Yet we are still held responsible, expected to feel guilty, reverse discriminated against, and forced to pay reparations to those who have a
far better life now than they ever would have otherwise.

Hi badgolferman,

You make a good point that first generation Americans didn't do anything to those who may have been oppressed two hundred years ago, as Wilf made a
similar point that children born today didn't oppress anyone centuries ago.

All these philosophical arguments are valid, depending on how much weight
each of us individually places upon each of the merits of the situation.

In the never-ending battle between the "free" components of capitalism and
the "regulation" components of government, in general, a _balance_ must be struck.

For this newsgroup, Apple needs to be free to innovate progress (or not).
And the government needs to regulate when Apple (cleverly) sets glue traps.

It's up to the individual to understand there needs to be a *balance*.
Apple needs to be prevented from setting their (rather clever) glue traps.
At the same time Apple needs to be freely allowed to engineer innovation.

We need to understand what drives both parties: Government & Apple.
We need that understanding _before_ we make a proclamation either way.

Which is my point: Understanding first. Point of view second.
Discussion third.

Likewise, whole groups which may feel oppressed (such as Native Americans
might feel) "may" deserve some kind of just compensation for past evils perpetrated against them (by, as you noted, people unrelated to you).

Similarly, there has to be an end, at some point, to "reparations" (such as with "affirmative action") when they reach ever decreasing validity.

In summary, my main point, always, is that we need to _understand_ all the points of view _before_ we lay claim to any one personal point of view.

And I think you are smart enough to understand that concept, which is why a conversation with you proceeds normally, notwithstanding nuances of detail.

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nospam wrote:

Everybody knows this fact but you are the only one trying to
claim the opposite: *Zero credibility*.

everybody knows you're wrong, again.

It's well known nospam is almost always wrong in all things Apple.
The reason why nospam is almost always wrong is obvious.
*nospam will defend every Apple move to the death*

It's that simple.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

There aren't even billions of electronic devices that show battery
health status. Your trolls are exceedingly weak.

Why is it that everything Jolly Roger says is proof of his dismal 40 IQ?
No wonder his entire life, people have been telling JR that he is stupid.

It's not just here that everything JR says proves his substandard 40 IQ.

Regarding Jolly Roger's ignorant statement above, does Jolly Roger
even know how many Android phones are out there with those same batteries?

<https://www.makeuseof.com/how-many-phones-apple-sells-compared-to-android/>
"Despite its massive sales figures, Apple doesn't stand a chance against
the countless Android manufacturers combined. According to Gartner,
Apple shipped only 235.70 million iPhones in 2021, while Android
manufacturers shipped over 1 billion units in that one year alone."

Now that we've established _billions_ of Android phones, each of which
has essentially the same battery as do the millions of iPhones...

Does Jolly Roger know _every single Android_ has a battery health report? Here's just a set I posted today to the Android newsgroup, for example:
*Using GSam Battery Monitor for Android battery statistics*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/5Z-Cz279r34>

Not only is the Apple battery health utility a joke compared to that
of one for an operating system that's not a toy operating system...

But this is the kind of information every Android can report for you:
<https://i.postimg.cc/bNGQrMzn/gsam01.jpg> GSam Battery Monitor on Google
<https://i.postimg.cc/dQN2qvKv/gsam02.jpg> com.gsamlabs.bbm on Google Play
<https://i.postimg.cc/wBzJWjD5/gsam03.jpg> Running GSam Battery Monitor
<https://i.postimg.cc/brr1QVkK/gsam04.jpg> OPTIONAL grant access w/o root
<https://i.postimg.cc/BbRP2SqK/gsam05.jpg> Enable More Stats (via adb grant)
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MJGwHRd/gsam06.jpg> Battery Usage Since Last Unplugged
<https://i.postimg.cc/XNPCR8wY/gsam07.jpg> Compare WiFi & Phone Radio power
<https://i.postimg.cc/nzH4LhzV/gsam08.jpg> Battery consumption charts
<https://i.postimg.cc/QxWThTbk/gsam09.jpg> Battery consumption by CPU
<https://i.postimg.cc/MpQbPLNw/gsam10.jpg> Battery consumption by app

Unfortunately, as is always the case with Jolly Roger, the reason
people have told him he is stupid his whole life... is because he is.

Sadly, Jolly Roger is almost always wrong as a result.
As he is wrong here.

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