• Re: retail iphones seized by government

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Nov 30 03:15:58 2022
    badgolferman wrote:

    The Brazilian Ministry of Justice ordered in September the suspension of iPhone sales in the country after concluding that Apple harms consumers by not offering the power adapter included with the device. Even after million-dollar fines, Apple still fails to comply with the requirement ¡V which has now led to the Federal District-based consumer protection
    regulator seizing iPhones from retail stores.

    According to the report, the iPhones were seized at carrier stores and authorized Apple resellers. The regulator has ordered the banning of any iPhone model that lacks the charger included in the box. Although Apple stopped shipping the accessory for free with iPhone 12, the company also updated iPhone 11 with a new, more compact box without the charger.

    https://9to5mac.com/2022/11/24/brazil-seizes-iphones-retail-stores-charger-requirement/

    Steve wrote:
    Can't a retailer just order a few thousand Type-C to USB-C power
    adapters from China and give one away with each iPhone. These only cost
    about $2, with shipping.

    nospam wrote:
    not ones that are any good, and you also don't understand how retail
    sales works either.

    First, I thank badgolferman for bringing up this useful news and then I
    thank Steve for coming up with a bottom up potential workaround, where
    nospam's response is typical in his defend Apple at all costs approach.

    For the adults on this newsgroup, there's a bigger side to this story...

    While nobody has a better team of clever lawyers than does Apple, this Brazilian repartee _changes_ Apple's (always brilliant) stratagem much as
    the EU recently forced Apple to ditch the useless lightning connector.

    Up until now, Apple has just been paying the fines, which, as we saw with
    the throttling civil & criminal fines can amount to the cost of an entire aircraft carrier, complete with avionics, airplanes, munitions, etc.

    And Apple didn't even blink at the horrendous cost throttling caused them.
    Same here... up until now.

    As with the town I live in who doesn't have a CRV facility within ten miles
    of _any_ store (the legal limit is _one_ mile), the stores just pay the
    daily $100 fine and they keep the CRV money (and the state gets the sales
    tax on the CRV too so there's double-dipping involved).

    a. The store keeps the CRV without doing _anything_ to give it back
    b. Even the state wins, since the sales tax is on the CRV too!
    (Clever huh! Nobody loses. Except the consumer, of course.)

    Notice the cost to the store is less than they feel it would cost them to recycle the stuff they sell, and therefore they're willing to pay the fine.

    Forever...

    Same with Apple.
    Until now...

    Now they aren't able to _sell_ the iPhone anymore in Brazil, or so it would seem from a read of badgolferman's reference cite.
    <https://9to5mac.com/2022/11/24/brazil-seizes-iphones-retail-stores-charger-requirement/>

    Now what do the clever lawyers tell Apple to do?
    Dunno.

    Probably the same thing they did with the EU and the US Congress.
    They always prevail against Congress - but the EU got Apple this time.

    What about Brazil?
    Time will tell.
    [_] Does Apple find a clever way to continue lying about why they
    removed the chargers and why they screw the customer as a result?
    [_] Or does Apple cave in to the reasonable demands by Brazil?

    But wait... there's more!

    What happens when the _rest_ of the world finds out about it if Apple
    decides upon the second strategem (which is what the EU made them do)?

    Notice Apple "could" have ditched the useless lightning connector for EU
    phones only, but Apple knew the _rest of the world_ would ask for USB-C
    too.

    So Apple caved in to the inevitable, much like Russia is going to have to either cave in to the inevitable world against tyrant battle, or, Apple's highly paid lawyers are going to have to write up a really clever excuse.

    I wouldn't bet on either outcome having read Apple's brazen lies (unsigned
    of course) about how battery chemistry caused them to secretly throttle
    iPhones of only a certain model and certain iOS (all other batteries
    working just fine).

    Time will tell.
    [_] Will Apple cave in to the world
    [_] Or will Apple's (brilliant) lawyers find a clever excuse

    Tick tock...
    --
    Note: That Apple got away with those brazen public lies in the mind of the gullible public is shocking to me - a well educated sentient adult.

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