• OT: Interesting information on online stalking...

    From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 13:10:37 2022
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents that
    involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person that would
    cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 06:50:19 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 28 09:54:30 2022
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?

    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 10:19:22 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 28 10:25:38 2022
    On 2022-11-28 10:19, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing
    or intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more
    incidents that involves repeated or continuing harassment of
    another person that would cause him or her to suffer emotional
    distress and actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant
    statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress
    with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that
    record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you
    last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your
    own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to
    somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest
    & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much
    the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little
    Shit?

    Never saw that one.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, Lying Little Shit.

    You saw every post except that one.

    LOL!

    I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by
    not telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    What part of the whole truth haven't I told, you Lying Little Shit?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 28 10:28:02 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not
    telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?

    -hh

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 10:28:09 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during working hours?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 28 10:30:23 2022
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own
    harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during working hours?

    More non-threat threats, you Lying Little Shit?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Nov 28 10:29:41 2022
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own
    harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not
    telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?

    What's the over/under on him not seeing this post, do you suppose?

    :-)

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Nov 28 10:31:58 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.
    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?

    -hh

    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Nov 28 16:13:05 2022
    On 2022-11-28 15:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:30:25 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting of two
    or more incidents that involves repeated or continuing
    harassment of another person that would cause him or her to
    suffer emotional distress and actually causes such
    distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant
    statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I
    send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since
    you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop
    your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts
    to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being
    dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty
    much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying
    Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during
    working hours?
    More non-threat threats, you Lying Little Shit?

    Alan, I need to school you in privacy rights and social media. The
    principle is "reasonable expectation of privacy".

    You really don't, you Lying Little Shit.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 15:38:53 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:30:25 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents
    that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person
    that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with >>> your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last
    posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own
    harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the
    same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during working hours?
    More non-threat threats, you Lying Little Shit?

    Alan, I need to school you in privacy rights and social media. The principle is "reasonable expectation of privacy".

    When you publish or post on social media, including LinkedIn, Facebook, Usenet, etc. do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy? No, you have made that content public.

    As one site explains:

    "But blaming social media for diminished privacy may be a little like blaming a nudist colony for diminished privacy. It’s not so much the destination, as the participant’s choices of where to go and what to do there."

    "Consider an individual’s postings on Facebook. A Facebook user may view his or her personal Facebook page as his or her domain, a little like his or her home. But a Facebook page is just one link in a colossal voluntary worldwide computer network.
    Except with the most stringent privacy settings, postings you make on Facebook can readily become known to many others."

    "Many courts have concluded, essentially, that once you post something viewable by anyone else on Facebook, you have forfeited any privacy interest in it. In one early social media privacy case, involving MySpace, a court noted, “Cynthia's affirmative
    act made her article available to any person with a computer and thus opened it to the public eye. Under these circumstances, no reasonable person would have had an expectation of privacy regarding the published material.”

    <snip>

    "And contrary to the prevailing belief in social media exceptionalism, social media activity isn’t really treated differently under the law. A basic principle of privacy law for years has been that your privacy rights depend upon whether you have a “
    reasonable expectation of privacy.” The reasonableness of your expectations has always been judged from a common-sense totality-of-the circumstances approach, regardless of the physical or virtual area of activity."

    "You may have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to a diary you keep at your bedside, but not to papers you leave visible in your workplace. Your activities in an isolated, fenced, and tree-shielded home create a stronger expectation of
    privacy than your activities in a high-rise apartment with the curtains open."

    "Social media privacy cases simply apply that long-standing “reasonable expectation of privacy” principle to Internet situations. Looking at the way Facebook and other social media sites work, most courts have concluded that once something is
    voluntarily posted on Facebook, it no longer carries a reasonable expectation of privacy. You give up your privacy by posting something on accessible Facebook pages."

    What I have cited is all material you have posted on various social media places. As for the address of your condo building, you made that available at some point and Google Maps/Google Earth shows it by searching "bakerMEDIA Vancouver". bakerMEDIA is
    known to be your company via LinkedIn and postings elsewhere, including FaceBook at one time. Google Earth even shows your phone number and a closing time of 8pm.

    Your condo number at your address is from a "whois" domain query some years back. You now have the record protected. To my knowledge I have never put that detail in any posts.

    With the building's street address it is possible to find easily available information on your building and the area around it. That's one step removed, but the information is generic and public and anyone with a Vancouver street number can easily find
    it.

    Now for a fuzzy example. Not fuzzy really it's probably over the line. Using information on your condo number there is public information available from certain public government websites that could be considered very sensitive. While public, publishing
    this very specific information could be considered a breach of privacy. I'll not be going there.

    Anything public facing we put on Facebook, LinkedIn, UseNet, TikTok, Instagram etc. is fair game if not protected. If you want privacy you need to make it private. On Facebook you have blocked your posts and pictures from my view, and I presume others
    too. BUT, your 632 Facebook friends are still public. I am free to browse those. But, if I were to send Alan McColl embarrassing information about you then that is an issue. I would never do that. It's just not right. If I were to hack your Facebook
    account, a feat I know how to accomplish, then viewing posts you made private would be a clear violation of the expectation of privacy principle. All I need to do is get one of your friends that you have not blocked to friend me. The motive for doing
    that is a clear problem.

    If I were to use your employer information in LinkedIn to send your company the very sensitive information mentioned above that could be an issue, even though the company can look it up themselves. )I do wonder if they know you are posted on social media
    during working hours.)

    Bottom line is that you have published or otherwise made available information that is, by definition, public. Anyone is free to access it. In my case my home address and lots of other interesting information is available because I until recently had it
    on my company site.

    Asking questions like why you state on LinkedIn you were in high school from 1975-1980 is fair game. Or, why you were in college for only one year. You certainly don't have to answer, but you made those statements. And, if you decide to change the info,
    I have screen shots.

    So go ahead and make empty threats.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 29 07:06:46 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:13:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 15:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:30:25 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting of two
    or more incidents that involves repeated or continuing
    harassment of another person that would cause him or her to
    suffer emotional distress and actually causes such
    distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant
    statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I
    send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since
    you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop
    your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts
    to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being
    dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty
    much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying
    Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during
    working hours?
    More non-threat threats, you Lying Little Shit?

    Alan, I need to school you in privacy rights and social media. The principle is "reasonable expectation of privacy".
    You really don't, you Lying Little Shit.

    Apparently, you do need schooling. I'll not be contacting your employer, but legally I could send a few snips with time stamps to Digital Financial.

    BTW You really should change your LinkedIn photo to the one on your company's site. The LinkedIn version is downright scary.

    So Alan, it was you who harassed me on certain student pilot logbook entries that I made public. Right? You stridently claimed, based on no relevant experience or factual foundation, that I could not do 15 touch and goes in an hour. This despite the fact
    that I did not make the logbook entries. Those were done and signed by my flight instructor. I did not count landings. I was way too busy flying the airplane. I trusted the instructor to make the entries. If questioned I would have deferred to him.

    In your case I just asked a few questions based on material you made available. Same thing, right? But, unlike you. I answered the questions. Nothing to hide here. What are you hiding?

    Just tell us why you are now a full-time employee. Absent your answer people will assume the worst about the financial viability of bakerMEDIA.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 29 08:48:28 2022
    On 2022-11-29 07:06, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:13:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 15:38, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:30:25 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 10:28, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting of
    two or more incidents that involves repeated or
    continuing harassment of another person that would
    cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the
    relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying. Where
    do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made
    since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to
    stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move
    goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re
    just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty"
    pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit",
    you Lying Little Shit?

    BTW, does your employer know you are trolling USENET during
    working hours?
    More non-threat threats, you Lying Little Shit?

    Alan, I need to school you in privacy rights and social media.
    The principle is "reasonable expectation of privacy".
    You really don't, you Lying Little Shit.

    Apparently, you do need schooling. I'll not be contacting your
    employer, but legally I could send a few snips with time stamps to
    Digital Financial.

    BTW You really should change your LinkedIn photo to the one on your
    company's site. The LinkedIn version is downright scary.

    So Alan, it was you who harassed me on certain student pilot logbook
    entries that I made public. Right? You stridently claimed, based on
    no relevant experience or factual foundation, that I could not do 15
    touch and goes in an hour. This despite the fact that I did not make
    the logbook entries. Those were done and signed by my flight
    instructor. I did not count landings. I was way too busy flying the
    airplane. I trusted the instructor to make the entries. If questioned
    I would have deferred to him.

    Finding you to be dishonest isn't harassment, you Lying Little Shit.

    YOU provided the logbook entries.

    I didn't go looking for them.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 29 11:20:39 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or
    intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents >> that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person >> that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute? >>
    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with
    your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of public information which were not posted here by their owner as constituting harassing actions, particularly when their owner objected to agreeing to have them republished in a new location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh my recollections,
    as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I thought the point was that those “15 in
    an hour” was represented as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective examination, didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being claimed.

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Nov 29 12:13:31 2022
    On 2022-11-29 11:20, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or >>>>>>> intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents >>>>>>> that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person >>>>>>> that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute? >>>>>>>
    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with >>>>>> your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last >>>>> posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own >>>>> harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere
    basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?" >>>>>
    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the >>>>> same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not >>>> telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged… >>>
    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of public information
    which were not posted here by their owner as constituting harassing actions, particularly when their owner objected to agreeing to have them republished in
    a new location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh my recollections,
    as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I thought the point was that those “15 in
    an hour” was represented as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective examination, didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being claimed.

    -hh

    And those records were explicitly made available by him in order to
    discuss them:

    'June 8, 2015, 8:11:20 PM

    Just FYI, this is what it takes to get to that first solo, and safely.'

    So the Lying Little Shit put them into CSMA and thus, up for discussion.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 5 14:40:10 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:13:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 11:20, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as knowing or >>>>>>> intentional course of conduct consisting of two or more incidents >>>>>>> that involves repeated or continuing harassment of another person >>>>>>> that would cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the relevant statute? >>>>>>>
    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional distress with >>>>>> your unfounded accusations of lying. Where do I send that record? >>>>> You replied to every post made to you / about you made since you last >>>>> posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to stop your own >>>>> harassment, or are you going to try to move goalposts to somewhere >>>>> basically irrelevant because you’re just being dishonest & petty?" >>>>>
    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty" pretty much the >>>>> same as saying he is a "Lying Little Shit", you Lying Little Shit? >>>>
    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here, you are by not
    telling the whole truth, you lying little shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering this “never saw it”
    question now that it has been specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of public information
    which were not posted here by their owner as constituting harassing actions,
    particularly when their owner objected to agreeing to have them republished in
    a new location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh my recollections,
    as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I thought the point was that those “15 in
    an hour” was represented as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective
    examination, didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being claimed.

    -hh
    And those records were explicitly made available by him in order to
    discuss them:

    'June 8, 2015, 8:11:20 PM

    Just FYI, this is what it takes to get to that first solo, and safely.'

    So the Lying Little Shit put them into CSMA and thus, up for discussion.

    Liar! There is no set minimum number of landings required for solo. You have to satisfy your CFI that you are ready, and the weather has to be OK too. I have known pilots who took 10-20 hours and more than a hundred landings to solo. Others, like me, 7-
    10 hours. A major factor is how often you take those first lessons. I flew almost every week for 2 months and my instructor recorded about 60 landings. Those who take longer between lessons lose muscle and sight picture memory.

    After my solo I did one more short lesson then flew nothing but take offs and landings almost weekly from April 12 to June 8 1967. I would work at the airport on the weekend, and when my shift was over I would go fly before heading home. By the time I
    graduated to cross country I had over 125 landings, more dual hours other than landings, and was ready for the next step.

    As for your documented facts, those were also published by you and up for discussion. Example, you gave out your company address as your home address. That makes you easy to find. Google Earth. Example, your posts on race results, problems with your old
    Kent engine, your LinkedIn info, FaceBook's favorite quote, etc.

    Precisely what have I discussed that was not first obtained from you?

    BTW, you are all welcome to drop in on my infant YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
    Still learning how to work with video, I'm not very good at it, yet.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Dec 5 18:19:27 2022
    On 2022-12-05 14:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:13:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 11:20, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting
    of two or more incidents that involves repeated or
    continuing harassment of another person that would
    cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the
    relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying.
    Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made
    since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to
    stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move
    goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because
    you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty"
    pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little
    Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here,
    you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little
    shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering
    this “never saw it” question now that it has been
    specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being
    dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of
    public information which were not posted here by their owner as
    constituting harassing actions, particularly when their owner
    objected to agreeing to have them republished in a new
    location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh
    my recollections, as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I
    thought the point was that those “15 in an hour” was represented
    as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective examination,
    didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being
    claimed.

    -hh
    And those records were explicitly made available by him in order
    to discuss them:

    'June 8, 2015, 8:11:20 PM

    Just FYI, this is what it takes to get to that first solo, and
    safely.'

    So the Lying Little Shit put them into CSMA and thus, up for
    discussion.

    Liar! There is no set minimum number of landings required for solo.

    Where did I say there was a set minimum, you lying little shit. I just
    quoted

    This was about the fact that you're comparing you offering up
    information for anyone who reads CSMA to peruse as equivalent to you
    deciding to my any and all personal information of mine you care to find
    here.

    <snipping your complete deflection>


    As for your documented facts, those were also published by you and up
    for discussion. Example, you gave out your company address as your
    home address. That makes you easy to find. Google Earth. Example,
    your posts on race results, problems with your old Kent engine, your
    LinkedIn info, FaceBook's favorite quote, etc.

    I didn't offer them up here, Lying Little Shit.

    There is a difference between someone saying "Here: take a look at these
    things about me" and you scouring the net for my personal information
    and offering up here.


    Precisely what have I discussed that was not first obtained from
    you?

    Irrelevant, Lying Little Shit.

    <further irrelevancies snipped>

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 7 10:09:55 2022
    On 2022-12-07 09:27, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:19:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 14:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:13:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 11:20, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting
    of two or more incidents that involves repeated or
    continuing harassment of another person that would
    cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the
    relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying.
    Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made
    since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to
    stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move
    goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because
    you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty"
    pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little
    Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here,
    you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little
    shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering
    this “never saw it” question now that it has been
    specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being
    dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of
    public information which were not posted here by their owner as
    constituting harassing actions, particularly when their owner
    objected to agreeing to have them republished in a new
    location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh
    my recollections, as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I
    thought the point was that those “15 in an hour” was represented >>>>> as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective examination,
    didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being
    claimed.

    -hh
    And those records were explicitly made available by him in order
    to discuss them:

    'June 8, 2015, 8:11:20 PM

    Just FYI, this is what it takes to get to that first solo, and
    safely.'

    So the Lying Little Shit put them into CSMA and thus, up for
    discussion.

    Liar! There is no set minimum number of landings required for solo.
    Where did I say there was a set minimum, you lying little shit. I just
    quoted

    This was about the fact that you're comparing you offering up
    information for anyone who reads CSMA to peruse as equivalent to you
    deciding to my any and all personal information of mine you care to find
    here.

    <snipping your complete deflection>
    As for your documented facts, those were also published by you and up
    for discussion. Example, you gave out your company address as your
    home address. That makes you easy to find. Google Earth. Example,
    your posts on race results, problems with your old Kent engine, your
    LinkedIn info, FaceBook's favorite quote, etc.
    I didn't offer them up here, Lying Little Shit.

    There is a difference between someone saying "Here: take a look at these
    things about me" and you scouring the net for my personal information
    and offering up here.

    Precisely what have I discussed that was not first obtained from
    you?
    Irrelevant, Lying Little Shit.

    <further irrelevancies snipped>

    Ah, I missed the single quotes in what you posted.

    You are good at excuses, Lying Little Shit.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 7 09:27:45 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:19:32 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 14:40, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:13:35 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 11:20, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:32:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:19:24 PM UTC+1, Thomas E.
    wrote:
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-11-28 06:50, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    ...according to the laws in...

    ...well let's use Indiana!

    "Criminal Stalking under Indiana Statute

    Under Ind. Code § 35-45-10-1, stalking is defined as
    knowing or intentional course of conduct consisting
    of two or more incidents that involves repeated or
    continuing harassment of another person that would
    cause him or her to suffer emotional distress and
    actually causes such distress."

    I wonder if anyone else here has checked out the
    relevant statute?

    :-)

    OH Alan, for over 10 years you have caused me emotional
    distress with your unfounded accusations of lying.
    Where do I send that record?
    You replied to every post made to you / about you made
    since you last posted yesterday...

    ...except this one:

    "Well Tom? Is this a sufficient explanation for you to
    stop your own harassment, or are you going to try to move
    goalposts to somewhere basically irrelevant because
    you’re just being dishonest & petty?"

    Now... ...isn't saying someone is "dishonest & petty"
    pretty much the same as saying he is a "Lying Little
    Shit", you Lying Little Shit?

    Never saw that one. I'm not the one being dishonest here,
    you are by not telling the whole truth, you lying little
    shit.

    And here I thought the dishonesty was in avoiding answering
    this “never saw it” question now that it has been
    specifically highlighted and acknowledged…

    …how about it?


    I am going to back off a bit. However, I am not being
    dishonest. Alan is. So be it.

    That’s not answering the question posed.

    Insofar as dishonesty, I see the seeking out and posting of
    public information which were not posted here by their owner as
    constituting harassing actions, particularly when their owner
    objected to agreeing to have them republished in a new
    location/medium/etc.

    And heartening way back to student flight records, please refresh
    my recollections, as I don’t feel like looking it up right now: I
    thought the point was that those “15 in an hour” was represented
    as timestamped accurately, but upon retrospective examination,
    didn’t appear particularly plausible to be what was being
    claimed.

    -hh
    And those records were explicitly made available by him in order
    to discuss them:

    'June 8, 2015, 8:11:20 PM

    Just FYI, this is what it takes to get to that first solo, and
    safely.'

    So the Lying Little Shit put them into CSMA and thus, up for
    discussion.

    Liar! There is no set minimum number of landings required for solo.
    Where did I say there was a set minimum, you lying little shit. I just quoted

    This was about the fact that you're comparing you offering up
    information for anyone who reads CSMA to peruse as equivalent to you deciding to my any and all personal information of mine you care to find here.

    <snipping your complete deflection>
    As for your documented facts, those were also published by you and up
    for discussion. Example, you gave out your company address as your
    home address. That makes you easy to find. Google Earth. Example,
    your posts on race results, problems with your old Kent engine, your LinkedIn info, FaceBook's favorite quote, etc.
    I didn't offer them up here, Lying Little Shit.

    There is a difference between someone saying "Here: take a look at these things about me" and you scouring the net for my personal information
    and offering up here.

    Precisely what have I discussed that was not first obtained from
    you?
    Irrelevant, Lying Little Shit.

    <further irrelevancies snipped>

    Ah, I missed the single quotes in what you posted.

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