On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is
simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with
no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job
done with a ford and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I
have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm qualified to make this
statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in
professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of
each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions. One car, even one race, does not prove a general point on
Honda vs. Kent. Please show us several recent Canadian races with at
least 20 entries where Kents are scattered out randomly among all
qualifying and finishing positions and I'll admit I was wrong. This
is not a technical arguement, it's statistical.
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford
and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda,
so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
On 2022-09-26 13:59, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is
simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with
no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job
done with a ford and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I
have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm qualified to make this
statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in
professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.Listen to yourself:
You know better than an actual, accomplished Formula F racer...
..who has raced both top end Kents and Hondas.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers ofIt it would matter if the question under examination were:
each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions. One car, even one race, does not prove a general point on
Honda vs. Kent. Please show us several recent Canadian races with at
least 20 entries where Kents are scattered out randomly among all qualifying and finishing positions and I'll admit I was wrong. This
is not a technical arguement, it's statistical.
"What is the better engine to have for a whole season of racing?"
Not the question you've actually asked:
"Is the Honda responsible for me being faster than every other racer at Mission than one person?".
<snip your off topic noise>
You have no personal integrity of any shape or kind, Liarboy.
You started this claiming that I was only fast because Honda's are inherently faster on the track than Kents...
..and you just declared you know better than someone who has actually
had experience in top level cars with each engine.
Have you no shame, sir? Finally, have you now shame?
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:08:50 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 13:59, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Listen to yourself:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is
simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with
no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the
job done with a ford and actually prefer to use it on some
tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm qualified to
make this statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
You know better than an actual, accomplished Formula F racer...
..who has raced both top end Kents and Hondas.
It it would matter if the question under examination were:
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers
of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in
finishing positions. One car, even one race, does not prove a
general point on Honda vs. Kent. Please show us several recent
Canadian races with at least 20 entries where Kents are scattered
out randomly among all qualifying and finishing positions and
I'll admit I was wrong. This is not a technical arguement, it's
statistical.
"What is the better engine to have for a whole season of racing?"
Not the question you've actually asked:
"Is the Honda responsible for me being faster than every other
racer at Mission than one person?".
<snip your off topic noise>
You have no personal integrity of any shape or kind, Liarboy.
You started this claiming that I was only fast because Honda's are
inherently faster on the track than Kents...
..and you just declared you know better than someone who has
actually had experience in top level cars with each engine.
Have you no shame, sir? Finally, have you now shame?
I looked at 2022 results where Hondas are overwhelmingly faster than
Kents across multiple races at multiple and tracks at in two
countries and conclude that Honda powered FF/F1600 have an advantage.
Your so-called expert is rendered moot by actual race results.
You talk about a lack of integrity? Please show us results that back
up what he says about Kent and Honda having parity on the track,
where it counts. Find quotes from multiple other drivers claiming the
same, and provide links to all.
Otherwise, you are using one exception to try and prove a rule.
That's lying. Have you no shame?
Postscript: https://www.racefrp.com/results/f1600
Honda is so dominant is this series that no team uses the Kent. Why
not if your expert is correct and the Kent has an advantage?
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford
and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda,
so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense >>> spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford
and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda,
so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F >>> racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the track" factor.
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense >>> spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford
and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, >>> so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F >>> racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the track" factor.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage >>>> measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much >>>> evidence to the contrary.'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense
spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford >>> and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda,
so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F
racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the track" factor.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.Frankly, I've been stumped on the pushback on this one, because it
just isn't all that hard to understand that there's a difference between "on" and "off" track factors.
-hh
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics that
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage >>>>>> measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense >>>>> spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford >>>>> and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, >>>>> so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F >>>>> racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the track" factor.
supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics applied to
economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
Frankly, I've been stumped on the pushback on this one, because it
just isn't all that hard to understand that there's a difference between
"on" and "off" track factors.
-hh
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an advantage >>>> measured against the Kent as a standard. There is simply too much'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with no-expense >>> spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the job done with a ford >>> and actually prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, >>> so I think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional Formula F >>> racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the track" factor.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics
wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is
simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with
no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the
job done with a ford and actually prefer to use it on some
tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm qualified to
make this statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal
numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of
engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the
track" factor.
that supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics
applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that favor the
Honda are related to race team engine choice. I include those
variables as factors in track performance and the competitive
standing based on actual race results. The race results are very
clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in meaningful
numbers.
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in economics
wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not an'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
advantage measured against the Kent as a standard. There is
simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well with
no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem getting the
job done with a ford and actually prefer to use it on some
tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm qualified to
make this statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal
numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of
engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off the
track" factor.
that supposedly included "econometrics, the science of statistics
applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that favor theLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
Honda are related to race team engine choice. I include those
variables as factors in track performance and the competitive
standing based on actual race results. The race results are very
clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in meaningful
numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still pretend you
know better.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Lots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in
wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
an advantage measured against the Kent as a standard.
There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well
with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem
getting the job done with a ford and actually prefer to
use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I
think I'm qualified to make this statement.' -Jonathan
Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional
Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal
numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of
engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off
the track" factor.
economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the science
of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that favor
the Honda are related to race team engine choice. I include
those variables as factors in track performance and the
competitive standing based on actual race results. The race
results are very clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars
have a competitive advantage clearly shown in races where they
compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and
race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still pretend
you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and race. That's
EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors considered, the Honda
cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in races where they
compete in meaningful numbers."
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own and
race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked. Your race
results improved after you got the Honda-powered car sorted.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual racer(S). I
only remember one.
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Lots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in
wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for themselves.
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is not'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
an advantage measured against the Kent as a standard.
There is simply too much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes well
with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no problem
getting the job done with a ford and actually prefer to
use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I
think I'm qualified to make this statement.' -Jonathan
Lee, pole sitter and podium finisher in professional
Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost equal
numbers of each engine should have a random scattering of
engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding "off
the track" factor.
economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the science
of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that favor
the Honda are related to race team engine choice. I include
those variables as factors in track performance and the
competitive standing based on actual race results. The race
results are very clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars
have a competitive advantage clearly shown in races where they
compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and
race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still pretend
you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors considered, the HondaI've never denied it, you little shit.
cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in meaningful numbers."
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own andTo make my racing easier, you little shit.
race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked. Your race
results improved after you got the Honda-powered car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically FASTER.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual racer(S). IYou're a lying little shit.
only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>):
So the one driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it turned out to be something
more than that. I disagree. I believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any in
competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs. the Fit
given the number of hours involved in a serious pro series campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance. Our Kent
that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was faster than the car
now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his Kent for reliability reasons
as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He will have a
competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA restricts the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly believe that a good driver, with a
good team, with a good Ford engine, would be really hard to beat. 30.5
is too small to win against a good Ford package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response. Throttle
response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved for air when you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone else care to chime in on
that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply because I
felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few Kent powered cars
going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more TLC however
I personally think I might have an advantage with the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think there are plenty of other variables within the class and the engine is just one of them. You can have different shocks, chassis, suspension geometry,
bearings, coaches, engineers, etc. Leave it alone.
.
Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of the pack to
the front just by switching the engine? None that I know of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time podium
finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments. You just
change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has been to establish
what size that plate should be. All the testing indicates somewhere
around 31mm is the number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just increasing the gap between the
Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good Kent" with
the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My perspective is
that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine the cars I am racing against are powered by. Of course I know most of the cars and drivers I
am racing against but when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt
like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant advantage.'
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I've never denied it, you little shit.
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, AlanLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, ThomasIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in
E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
not an advantage measured against the Kent as a
standard. There is simply too much evidence to the
contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes
well with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no
problem getting the job done with a ford and actually
prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch
Honda, so I think I'm qualified to make this
statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost
equal numbers of each engine should have a random
scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to
confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding
"off the track" factor.
economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the
science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that
favor the Honda are related to race team engine choice. I
include those variables as factors in track performance and
the competitive standing based on actual race results. The
race results are very clear. All factors considered, the
Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and
race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still
pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and race.
That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors considered,
the Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own and
race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked. Your
race results improved after you got the Honda-powered car
sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual racer(S).
I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the one driver
isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be introduced
as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it turned out to be
something more than that. I disagree. I believe that's exactly what
it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any in
competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs. the
Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious pro series
campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the additional
cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance. Our
Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was faster
than the car now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his Kent for
reliability reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted his
spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He will
have a competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA restricts
the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly believe that a
good driver, with a good team, with a good Ford engine, would be
really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win against a good Ford
package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response. Throttle
response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved for air when
you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone else care to
chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply because
I felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few Kent powered
cars going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more TLC
however I personally think I might have an advantage with the
"right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think there
are plenty of other variables within the class and the engine is
just one of them. You can have different shocks, chassis,
suspension geometry, bearings, coaches, engineers, etc. Leave it
alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of the
pack to the front just by switching the engine? None that I know
of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time podium
finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments. You
just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has been to
establish what size that plate should be. All the testing indicates
somewhere around 31mm is the number to match up to a very good
kent. The debate is whether to match up to the mediocre or good
kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good Kent"
with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My perspective
is that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine the cars I am
racing against are powered by. Of course I know most of the cars
and drivers I am racing against but when I raced my Honda powered
car I never felt like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and
when I race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered
cars have a significant advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when I
raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had a
significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I don't
feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record of the
Kent on the Ontario circuit.
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number to
match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to
the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas
slower, you are just increasing the gap between the Hondas and the
killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are the SCCBC
Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is more powerful than
the average Kent. If not, the "killer Kents" would be winning
competitive races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a Honda
powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the track? No. You
did start winning more and placing higher. The reliability of the
Honda is a big plus, says so in the quotes provided. I note that you
did not, as requested, supply links to those quotes. Maybe you just
made them up?
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine, race
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made a
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough driver to
take advantage of your new car.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.
Alan you just made my point yet again with this statement:Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
"but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning Kent
that had even been optimized for our relatively low speed corners (4
into 2 into 1 long tube headers: look it up)..."
"..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than that."
Right, and you had a Honda engine behind you. How many Kents at
Mission are maintained to the standard that set the record. Your
Honda, with no special tuning and not a fresh build by an expert
shop, was almost as fast as this record setter. All else equal,
including drivers and the car, you and your Honda are a match for a
highly tuned Kent. Therefore, you have an inherent advantage over the
average Kent before you ever hit the track.
Even if the other drivers are as good as you, you have the advantage.
Results this year in other venues clearly back this up.
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I've never denied it, you little shit.
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, AlanLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, ThomasIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in
E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
not an advantage measured against the Kent as a
standard. There is simply too much evidence to the
contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes
well with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no
problem getting the job done with a ford and actually
prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch
Honda, so I think I'm qualified to make this
statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost
equal numbers of each engine should have a random
scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to
confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding
"off the track" factor.
economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the
science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that
favor the Honda are related to race team engine choice. I
include those variables as factors in track performance and
the competitive standing based on actual race results. The
race results are very clear. All factors considered, the
Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and
race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still
pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and race.
That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors considered,
the Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own and
race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked. Your
race results improved after you got the Honda-powered car
sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual racer(S).
I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the one driver
isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be introduced
as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it turned out to be
something more than that. I disagree. I believe that's exactly what
it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any in
competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs. the
Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious pro series
campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the additional
cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance. Our
Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was faster
than the car now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his Kent for
reliability reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted his
spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He will
have a competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA restricts
the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly believe that a
good driver, with a good team, with a good Ford engine, would be
really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win against a good Ford
package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response. Throttle
response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved for air when
you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone else care to
chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply because
I felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few Kent powered
cars going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more TLC
however I personally think I might have an advantage with the
"right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think there
are plenty of other variables within the class and the engine is
just one of them. You can have different shocks, chassis,
suspension geometry, bearings, coaches, engineers, etc. Leave it
alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of the
pack to the front just by switching the engine? None that I know
of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time podium
finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments. You
just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has been to
establish what size that plate should be. All the testing indicates
somewhere around 31mm is the number to match up to a very good
kent. The debate is whether to match up to the mediocre or good
kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good Kent"
with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My perspective
is that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine the cars I am
racing against are powered by. Of course I know most of the cars
and drivers I am racing against but when I raced my Honda powered
car I never felt like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and
when I race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered
cars have a significant advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?First, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the reply
into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they were written.
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when I
raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I don't
feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record of theHow many times must I explain the same thing to you?
Kent on the Ontario circuit.
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number to
match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to
the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas
slower, you are just increasing the gap between the Hondas and the
killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are the SCCBCThe average Honda might be a little more powerful than the average Kent...
Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is more powerful than
the average Kent. If not, the "killer Kents" would be winning
competitive races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning Kent that
had even been optimized for our relatively low speed corners (4 into 2
into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than that.
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a Honda
powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the track? No. You
did start winning more and placing higher. The reliability of the
Honda is a big plus, says so in the quotes provided. I note that you
did not, as requested, supply links to those quotes. Maybe you just
made them up?
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little shit.
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine, raceA better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on the track,
and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough driver to
take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:I've never denied it, you little shit.
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, AlanLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4, ThomasIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D. in
E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda is'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
not an advantage measured against the Kent as a
standard. There is simply too much evidence to the
contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine competes
well with no-expense spared Hondas. I have had no
problem getting the job done with a ford and actually
prefer to use it on some tracks. I have a top-notch
Honda, so I think I'm qualified to make this
statement.' -Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right, Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with almost
equal numbers of each engine should have a random
scattering of engines in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to
confound.
And you've already been told that there's a confounding
"off the track" factor.
economics that supposedly included "econometrics, the
science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables that
favor the Honda are related to race team engine choice. I
include those variables as factors in track performance and
the competitive standing based on actual race results. The
race results are very clear. All factors considered, the
Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own and
race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you still
pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and race.
That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors considered,
the Honda cars have a competitive advantage clearly shown in
races where they compete in meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own and
race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked. Your
race results improved after you got the Honda-powered car
sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual racer(S).
I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the one driver
isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be introduced
as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it turned out to be
something more than that. I disagree. I believe that's exactly what
it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any in
competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs. the
Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious pro series
campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the additional
cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance. Our
Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was faster
than the car now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his Kent for
reliability reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted his
spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He will
have a competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA restricts
the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly believe that a
good driver, with a good team, with a good Ford engine, would be
really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win against a good Ford
package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response. Throttle
response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved for air when
you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone else care to
chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply because
I felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few Kent powered
cars going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more TLC
however I personally think I might have an advantage with the
"right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think there
are plenty of other variables within the class and the engine is
just one of them. You can have different shocks, chassis,
suspension geometry, bearings, coaches, engineers, etc. Leave it
alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of the
pack to the front just by switching the engine? None that I know
of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time podium
finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments. You
just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has been to
establish what size that plate should be. All the testing indicates
somewhere around 31mm is the number to match up to a very good
kent. The debate is whether to match up to the mediocre or good
kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good Kent"
with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My perspective
is that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine the cars I am
racing against are powered by. Of course I know most of the cars
and drivers I am racing against but when I raced my Honda powered
car I never felt like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and
when I race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered
cars have a significant advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?First, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the reply
into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they were written.
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when I
raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I don't
feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record of theHow many times must I explain the same thing to you?
Kent on the Ontario circuit.
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number to
match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to
the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas
slower, you are just increasing the gap between the Hondas and the
killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are the SCCBCThe average Honda might be a little more powerful than the average Kent...
Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is more powerful than
the average Kent. If not, the "killer Kents" would be winning
competitive races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning Kent that
had even been optimized for our relatively low speed corners (4 into 2
into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than that.
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a Honda
powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the track? No. You
did start winning more and placing higher. The reliability of the
Honda is a big plus, says so in the quotes provided. I note that you
did not, as requested, supply links to those quotes. Maybe you just
made them up?
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little shit.
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine, raceA better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on the track,
and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough driver to
take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:First, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, AlanI've never denied it, you little shit.
wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, AlanLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4,Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D.
Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM
UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
is not an advantage measured against the Kent
as a standard. There is simply too much
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine
competes well with no-expense spared Hondas. I
have had no problem getting the job done with a
ford and actually prefer to use it on some
tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm
qualified to make this statement.' -Jonathan Lee,
pole sitter and podium finisher in professional
Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right,
Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with
almost equal numbers of each engine should have a
random scattering of engines in finishing
positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to
confound.
And you've already been told that there's a
confounding "off the track" factor.
in economics that supposedly included "econometrics,
the science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables
that favor the Honda are related to race team engine
choice. I include those variables as factors in track
performance and the competitive standing based on actual
race results. The race results are very clear. All
factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in
meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own
and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you
still pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and
race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors
considered, the Honda cars have a competitive advantage
clearly shown in races where they compete in meaningful
numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own
and race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked.
Your race results improved after you got the Honda-powered
car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically
FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual
racer(S). I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the one
driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be
introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it
turned out to be something more than that. I disagree. I
believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any
in competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs.
the Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious pro
series campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the
additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in
horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance.
Our Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was
faster than the car now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his
Kent for reliability reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted
his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He
will have a competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA
restricts the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly
believe that a good driver, with a good team, with a good Ford
engine, would be really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win
against a good Ford package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response.
Throttle response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved
for air when you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone
else care to chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply
because I felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few
Kent powered cars going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more
TLC however I personally think I might have an advantage with
the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think
there are plenty of other variables within the class and the
engine is just one of them. You can have different shocks,
chassis, suspension geometry, bearings, coaches, engineers,
etc. Leave it alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of
the pack to the front just by switching the engine? None that I
know of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time
podium finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments.
You just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has
been to establish what size that plate should be. All the
testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number to match
up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to
the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or
Hondas slower, you are just increasing the gap between the
Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good
Kent" with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My
perspective is that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine
the cars I am racing against are powered by. Of course I know
most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when I
raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had
a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I
don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant
advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
reply into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they were
written.
How many times must I explain the same thing to you?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when
I raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had
a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I
don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant
advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record of
the Kent on the Ontario circuit.
The average Honda might be a little more powerful than the average
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number
to match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match
up to the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or
Hondas slower, you are just increasing the gap between the Hondas
and the killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make this
a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are the
SCCBC Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is more
powerful than the average Kent. If not, the "killer Kents" would
be winning competitive races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
Kent...
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning Kent
that had even been optimized for our relatively low speed corners
(4 into 2 into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than that.
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little shit.
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a
Honda powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the
track? No. You did start winning more and placing higher. The
reliability of the Honda is a big plus, says so in the quotes
provided. I note that you did not, as requested, supply links to
those quotes. Maybe you just made them up?
A better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on the
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine, race
track, and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough driver
to take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
Let's see how your Johnathan Lee did in the 3 FRP races he ran in
https://www.racefrp.com/schedule
Mid-Ohio 4/30/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #8 Gap 1:48 Race 1 #9
Race 2 #12 Race 3 #21 (#22 DNS)
Pittsburg 6/2/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #6 Gap 0.75 Race 1 #12
Race 2 #3 Race 3 #4
Summit Point 8/19/22 19 cars entered Qualifying #1 Race 1 #3 Race 2
#5 Race 3 #3
Still to come Pittsburg 10/15/22
So, he did place well in 2 of the 3. All of the other cars were
Hondas. What does this prove? A top form Kent can sometimes compete
well against Honda. Apparently, he was having issues at Mid-Ohio.
How many of your SCCBC Kent competitors are up to the Johnathan Lee
standard?
On 2022-09-28 10:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:First, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4, AlanI've never denied it, you little shit.
wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4, AlanLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-4,Isn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a Ph.D.
Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM
UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the Honda'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
is not an advantage measured against the Kent
as a standard. There is simply too much
evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine
competes well with no-expense spared Hondas. I
have had no problem getting the job done with a
ford and actually prefer to use it on some
tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm
qualified to make this statement.' -Jonathan Lee,
pole sitter and podium finisher in professional
Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right,
Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with
almost equal numbers of each engine should have a
random scattering of engines in finishing
positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables to
confound.
And you've already been told that there's a
confounding "off the track" factor.
in economics that supposedly included "econometrics,
the science of statistics applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables
that favor the Honda are related to race team engine
choice. I include those variables as factors in track
performance and the competitive standing based on actual
race results. The race results are very clear. All
factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in
meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to own
and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you
still pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and
race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All factors
considered, the Honda cars have a competitive advantage
clearly shown in races where they compete in meaningful
numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to own
and race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That worked.
Your race results improved after you got the Honda-powered
car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically
FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual
racer(S). I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the one
driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be
introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that it
turned out to be something more than that. I disagree. I
believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there any
in competition in either the pro series or at the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent vs.
the Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious pro
series campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth the
additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in
horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the performance.
Our Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the Pro series was
faster than the car now with the Honda. I know Tim swapped his
Kent for reliability reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer] converted
his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to spend money? He
will have a competitive advantage next year and if the SCCA
restricts the Honda even further he will dominate. I truly
believe that a good driver, with a good team, with a good Ford
engine, would be really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win
against a good Ford package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response.
Throttle response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so starved
for air when you crack the throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone
else care to chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was simply
because I felt my Honda was out powered against verses a few
Kent powered cars going back to SCCA Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take more
TLC however I personally think I might have an advantage with
the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I think
there are plenty of other variables within the class and the
engine is just one of them. You can have different shocks,
chassis, suspension geometry, bearings, coaches, engineers,
etc. Leave it alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back of
the pack to the front just by switching the engine? None that I
know of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often time
podium finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity adjustments.
You just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The challenge has
been to establish what size that plate should be. All the
testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number to match
up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match up to
the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or
Hondas slower, you are just increasing the gap between the
Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very good
Kent" with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My
perspective is that when I am racing I cannot tell which engine
the cars I am racing against are powered by. Of course I know
most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when I
raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had
a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I
don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant
advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
reply into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they were
written.
How many times must I explain the same thing to you?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but when
I raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford guys had
a significant advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I
don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant
advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record of
the Kent on the Ontario circuit.
The average Honda might be a little more powerful than the average
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the number
to match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether to match
up to the mediocre or good kents. By making all kents better, or
Hondas slower, you are just increasing the gap between the Hondas
and the killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make this
a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are the
SCCBC Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is more
powerful than the average Kent. If not, the "killer Kents" would
be winning competitive races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
Kent...
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning Kent
that had even been optimized for our relatively low speed corners
(4 into 2 into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than that.
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little shit.
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a
Honda powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the
track? No. You did start winning more and placing higher. The
reliability of the Honda is a big plus, says so in the quotes
provided. I note that you did not, as requested, supply links to
those quotes. Maybe you just made them up?
A better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on the
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine, race
track, and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough driver
to take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you names.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
Let's see how your Johnathan Lee did in the 3 FRP races he ran in
https://www.racefrp.com/schedule
Mid-Ohio 4/30/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #8 Gap 1:48 Race 1 #9
Race 2 #12 Race 3 #21 (#22 DNS)
Pittsburg 6/2/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #6 Gap 0.75 Race 1 #12
Race 2 #3 Race 3 #4
Summit Point 8/19/22 19 cars entered Qualifying #1 Race 1 #3 Race 2
#5 Race 3 #3
Still to come Pittsburg 10/15/22
So, he did place well in 2 of the 3. All of the other cars were
Hondas. What does this prove? A top form Kent can sometimes compete
well against Honda. Apparently, he was having issues at Mid-Ohio.
How many of your SCCBC Kent competitors are up to the Johnathan Lee standard?Hey, you lying little shit, you said you were done.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-28 10:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Hey, you lying little shit, you said you were done.
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, AlanFirst, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the
wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4,I've never denied it, you little shit.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4,Lots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PMIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a
UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM
UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
Honda is not an advantage measured against
the Kent as a standard. There is simply too
much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine
competes well with no-expense spared Hondas.
I have had no problem getting the job done
with a ford and actually prefer to use it on
some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I
think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right,
Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with
almost equal numbers of each engine should have
a random scattering of engines in finishing
positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables
to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a
confounding "off the track" factor.
Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included
"econometrics, the science of statistics applied to
economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after
all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats
education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables
that favor the Honda are related to race team engine
choice. I include those variables as factors in
track performance and the competitive standing based
on actual race results. The race results are very
clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars have a
competitive advantage clearly shown in races where
they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to
own and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you
still pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and
race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All
factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in
meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to
own and race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That
worked. Your race results improved after you got the
Honda-powered car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically
FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual
racer(S). I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the
one driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be
introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that
it turned out to be something more than that. I disagree.
I believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there
any in competition in either the pro series or at the
Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent
vs. the Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious
pro series campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth
the additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in
horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the
performance. Our Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the
Pro series was faster than the car now with the Honda. I
know Tim swapped his Kent for reliability reasons as
well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer]
converted his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to
spend money? He will have a competitive advantage next year
and if the SCCA restricts the Honda even further he will
dominate. I truly believe that a good driver, with a good
team, with a good Ford engine, would be really hard to
beat. 30.5 is too small to win against a good Ford
package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response.
Throttle response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so
starved for air when you crack the throttle there is a huge
lag. Anyone else care to chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was
simply because I felt my Honda was out powered against
verses a few Kent powered cars going back to SCCA Majors
2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take
more TLC however I personally think I might have an
advantage with the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I
think there are plenty of other variables within the class
and the engine is just one of them. You can have different
shocks, chassis, suspension geometry, bearings, coaches,
engineers, etc. Leave it alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back
of the pack to the front just by switching the engine? None
that I know of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often
time podium finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity
adjustments. You just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The
challenge has been to establish what size that plate should
be. All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the
number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is
whether to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By
making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer
kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very
good Kent" with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My
perspective is that when I am racing I cannot tell which
engine the cars I am racing against are powered by. Of
course I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing
against but when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt
like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I
race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda
powered cars have a significant advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
reply into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they
were written.
How many times must I explain the same thing to you?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but
when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford
guys had a significant advantage and when I race my Ford
powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a
significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record
of the Kent on the Ontario circuit.
The average Honda might be a little more powerful than the
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the
number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether
to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By making all
kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just increasing the
gap between the Hondas and the killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make
this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are
the SCCBC Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is
more powerful than the average Kent. If not, the "killer
Kents" would be winning competitive races in Ontario and the
Runoffs.
average Kent...
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning
Kent that had even been optimized for our relatively low speed
corners (4 into 2 into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than
that.
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a
Honda powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the
track? No. You did start winning more and placing higher.
The reliability of the Honda is a big plus, says so in the
quotes provided. I note that you did not, as requested,
supply links to those quotes. Maybe you just made them up?
shit.
A better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine,
race
the track, and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough
driver to take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you
names.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
Let's see how your Johnathan Lee did in the 3 FRP races he ran
in
https://www.racefrp.com/schedule
Mid-Ohio 4/30/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #8 Gap 1:48 Race 1
#9 Race 2 #12 Race 3 #21 (#22 DNS)
Pittsburg 6/2/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #6 Gap 0.75 Race 1
#12 Race 2 #3 Race 3 #4
Summit Point 8/19/22 19 cars entered Qualifying #1 Race 1 #3 Race
2 #5 Race 3 #3
Still to come Pittsburg 10/15/22
So, he did place well in 2 of the 3. All of the other cars were
Hondas. What does this prove? A top form Kent can sometimes
compete well against Honda. Apparently, he was having issues at
Mid-Ohio.
How many of your SCCBC Kent competitors are up to the Johnathan
Lee standard?
Exposing more of your lies upset you?
Anyway, I propose we settle this with SCCBC racing records.
I propose examining fastest lap times for all your races except the
rookie year. If you think the second year is not a good indicator
either I'll disregard that too. I would also throw out some outlier
races that were unusually slow. Given normal times in the 1:11 to
1:15 for the winner that seems like a good outlier indicator. I
think over 1:20 indicates a track issue that affected all speeds. Is
that a good break point? There was a weekend or two that the highest
time was 1:30+! I recall it was rainy.
I would also examine the lowest lap time differential between you and
the winner to see if you were closing the gap. For any races you won
that gap would zero. I will also examine coefficient of variation for
your Kent and Honda races to see if one was more consistent.
The means examination would be based on a means difference test, or I
could use ANOVA, or both. They give the same result. The null
hypothesis would be no significant lowest time difference at the 95%
level. I would also do a time trend regression to see if times are
trending lower or higher at the 95% level. Good results for your
argument would be no difference in times or if a difference the Kent
car was faster. Same if the trend shows no trend or a positive trend
for lowest best lap time.
I will publish all the data and details of the stats as reported by
the Excel Analyze-it stats package. If you don't want it reported to
CSMA I will send it to you alone.
To do this I need some information confirmed. Was your rookie year
2013? Was you first time out with the Honda on the weekend of
6/23/2018? Were there any other Hondas racing you at Mission from
2014 (or your second year if not 2014) to the present? If so, who and
when? Did you run your Kent anytime after the transition to Honda?
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-30 10:54, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, AlanWhat lies, you little shit?
wrote:
On 2022-09-28 10:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-4, AlanHey, you lying little shit, you said you were done.
wrote:
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4,First, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4,I've never denied it, you little shit.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PMLots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PMIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a
UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56
PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak
I believe that. I do not believe that'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda
the Honda is not an advantage measured
against the Kent as a standard. There
is simply too much evidence to the
contrary.
Debate:
With my experience at FRP, the Ford
engine competes well with no-expense
spared Hondas. I have had no problem
getting the job done with a ford and
actually prefer to use it on some tracks.
I have a top-notch Honda, so I think I'm
qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F
racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right,
Liarboy?
:-)
for themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race
with almost equal numbers of each engine
should have a random scattering of engines
in finishing positions.
If, and only if, there were no other
variables to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a
confounding "off the track" factor.
Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included
"econometrics, the science of statistics
applied to economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after
all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats
education?
As you have already admitted the off-track
variables that favor the Honda are related to
race team engine choice. I include those
variables as factors in track performance and the
competitive standing based on actual race
results. The race results are very clear. All
factors considered, the Honda cars have a
competitive advantage clearly shown in races
where they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice
to own and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and
you still pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own
and race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above.
"All factors considered, the Honda cars have a
competitive advantage clearly shown in races where
they compete in meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice
to own and race. Ergo - to improve your race results.
That worked. Your race results improved after you got
the Honda-powered car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me
automatically FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from
actual racer(S). I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So
the one driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be
introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and
that it turned out to be something more than that. I
disagree. I believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance
advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't
there any in competition in either the pro series or at
the Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that
Kent vs. the Fit given the number of hours involved in
a serious pro series campaign. The small advantage
(2HP?) isn't worth the additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in
horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the
performance. Our Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in
the Pro series was faster than the car now with the
Honda. I know Tim swapped his Kent for reliability
reasons as well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer]
converted his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes
to spend money? He will have a competitive advantage
next year and if the SCCA restricts the Honda even
further he will dominate. I truly believe that a good
driver, with a good team, with a good Ford engine,
would be really hard to beat. 30.5 is too small to win
against a good Ford package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle
response. Throttle response in the Honda flat out
sucks! It is so starved for air when you crack the
throttle there is a huge lag. Anyone else care to chime
in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was
simply because I felt my Honda was out powered against
verses a few Kent powered cars going back to SCCA
Majors 2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take
more TLC however I personally think I might have an
advantage with the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I
think there are plenty of other variables within the
class and the engine is just one of them. You can have
different shocks, chassis, suspension geometry,
bearings, coaches, engineers, etc. Leave it alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the
back of the pack to the front just by switching the
engine? None that I know of. The engine isn't the
issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often
time podium finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity
adjustments. You just change a $2 plate that costs $30.
The challenge has been to establish what size that
plate should be. All the testing indicates somewhere
around 31mm is the number to match up to a very good
kent. The debate is whether to match up to the mediocre
or good kents. By making all kents better, or Hondas
slower, you are just increasing the gap between the
Hondas and the killer kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very
good Kent" with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's.
My perspective is that when I am racing I cannot tell
which engine the cars I am racing against are powered
by. Of course I know most of the cars and drivers I am
racing against but when I raced my Honda powered car I
never felt like the Ford guys had a significant
advantage and when I race my Ford powered car I don't
feel like the Honda powered cars have a significant
advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
the reply into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since
they were written.
How many times must I explain the same thing to you?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against
but when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt like
the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I race
my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered
cars have a significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022
record of the Kent on the Ontario circuit.
The average Honda might be a little more powerful than the
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the
number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is
whether to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By
making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer
kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to
make this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents"
today? Are the SCCBC Kents "killer Kents". My take is
that the Honda is more powerful than the average Kent. If
not, the "killer Kents" would be winning competitive
races in Ontario and the Runoffs.
average Kent...
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh
Loyning Kent that had even been optimized for our
relatively low speed corners (4 into 2 into 1 long tube
headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower
than that.
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us)
for a Honda powered FF thinking you would not gain
anything on the track? No. You did start winning more and
placing higher. The reliability of the Honda is a big
plus, says so in the quotes provided. I note that you did
not, as requested, supply links to those quotes. Maybe
you just made them up?
shit.
A better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better
engine, race
on the track, and in fact slower on some tracks, you little
shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that itExcept for almost equalling the track record...
made a difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good
enough driver to take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you
names.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
Let's see how your Johnathan Lee did in the 3 FRP races he
ran in
https://www.racefrp.com/schedule
Mid-Ohio 4/30/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #8 Gap 1:48 Race
1 #9 Race 2 #12 Race 3 #21 (#22 DNS)
Pittsburg 6/2/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #6 Gap 0.75 Race
1 #12 Race 2 #3 Race 3 #4
Summit Point 8/19/22 19 cars entered Qualifying #1 Race 1 #3
Race 2 #5 Race 3 #3
Still to come Pittsburg 10/15/22
So, he did place well in 2 of the 3. All of the other cars
were Hondas. What does this prove? A top form Kent can
sometimes compete well against Honda. Apparently, he was
having issues at Mid-Ohio.
How many of your SCCBC Kent competitors are up to the
Johnathan Lee standard?
Exposing more of your lies upset you?
Would that be anything like your lie that you were done with this
thread?
How about we just look at drivers with the fastest laps ever
Anyway, I propose we settle this with SCCBC racing records.
I propose examining fastest lap times for all your races except
the rookie year. If you think the second year is not a good
indicator either I'll disregard that too. I would also throw out
some outlier races that were unusually slow. Given normal times
in the 1:11 to 1:15 for the winner that seems like a good outlier
indicator. I think over 1:20 indicates a track issue that
affected all speeds. Is that a good break point? There was a
weekend or two that the highest time was 1:30+! I recall it was
rainy.
I would also examine the lowest lap time differential between you
and the winner to see if you were closing the gap. For any races
you won that gap would zero. I will also examine coefficient of
variation for your Kent and Honda races to see if one was more
consistent.
around Mission, little shit?
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that
result when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is
definitely competitive with a Honda...
Not interest in playing your game, you little shit.
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
Maybe the Honda in your car is really that much better. Also, and
correct me if I'm wrong, these speeds were in qualifying. Qualifying
is not the same as a race.
Over 2017-2018 I see Floer consistently running 1:11-1:12 fastest
laps. You hit 1:11.350 on the weekend of 7/14/2018. Floer won the
race with a 1:11.089. Most of your best race laps were 1-4 seconds
slower than Doug's best. Using a single lap in qualifying conditions
to make your point when your race record was very different is lying
of the worst kind.
Anyway, the real point you are making is that it takes a top-level
Kent to compete with a Honda with no special engine prep. Your race
record shows that in traffic you could not keep up with Doug. The
2017-2018 win record in the 20 races that you ran was:
Baker 1 McKay 2 Floer 17
If you are so damned good why did you only win one race when your car
was, as you show, capable of keeping up with his expertly prepared
Kent and car?
And, in your first 2019 race you won with a best lap of 1:13.777.
That's 2 seconds slower than a typical Floer pace. But Floer was not
there, was he? Later that year McKay and Bandfors dominated 1st
place. Absent Doug you did win 6 of the 22 races you ran. Doug's
record would have been very competitive with any of the best laps
that year.
So, I'll go ahead and do the stats. I'll share all the data, show the excluded outliers, and the statistical results. You are free to
accept my data, or do your own discovery, and do your own statistics.
The entire exercise will be 100% transparent and I'll report what I
find, even if supports your viewpoint.
On 2022-09-30 10:54, Thomas E. wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-28 10:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Hey, you lying little shit, you said you were done.
On 2022-09-27 17:12, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-4, AlanFirst, admit you didn't (at the very least) bother to read the
wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:28:31 AM UTC-4,I've never denied it, you little shit.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-27 07:19, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 11:33:27 PM UTC-4,Lots of bullshit from the little shit you are.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 18:07, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 5:00:00 PMIsn't it amazing that Liarboy claims to have a
UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM
UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-09-26 07:15, Thomas E. wrote:I do know better. Real world results speak for
I believe that. I do not believe that the'In Regards to the Ford vs. Honda Debate:
Honda is not an advantage measured against
the Kent as a standard. There is simply too
much evidence to the contrary.
With my experience at FRP, the Ford engine
competes well with no-expense spared Hondas.
I have had no problem getting the job done
with a ford and actually prefer to use it on
some tracks. I have a top-notch Honda, so I
think I'm qualified to make this statement.'
-Jonathan Lee, pole sitter and podium
finisher in professional Formula F racing...
..using a Kent.
But you know better than he does, right,
Liarboy?
:-)
themselves.
Alan, if the Kent is competitive a race with
almost equal numbers of each engine should have
a random scattering of engines in finishing
positions.
If, and only if, there were no other variables
to confound.
And you've already been told that there's a
confounding "off the track" factor.
Ph.D. in economics that supposedly included
"econometrics, the science of statistics applied to
economics."
I guess it wasn't much of a stats course after
all.
A college dropout with presumably no stats
education?
As you have already admitted the off-track variables
that favor the Honda are related to race team engine
choice. I include those variables as factors in
track performance and the competitive standing based
on actual race results. The race results are very
clear. All factors considered, the Honda cars have a
competitive advantage clearly shown in races where
they compete in meaningful numbers.
All factors considered, Hondas are a better choice to
own and race.
Ergo, almost all the top teams now race them.
Ergo, Hondas win all the races.
I produced how many quotes from actual racers and you
still pretend you know better.
So, you admit that Hondas are a better choice to own and
race. That's EXACTLY what I said just above. "All
factors considered, the Honda cars have a competitive
advantage clearly shown in races where they compete in
meaningful numbers."
To make my racing easier, you little shit.
Now, why did you choose a Honda? It's a better choice to
own and race. Ergo - to improve your race results. That
worked. Your race results improved after you got the
Honda-powered car sorted.
To spend less time prepping the car, you little shit.
What it didn't do, little shit, is make me automatically
FASTER.
You're a lying little shit.
And you say I lack character?
Finally, Alan, please re-post your quote(S) from actual
racer(S). I only remember one.
In this post (<tgt9dg$3qshg$2...@dont-email.me>): So the
one driver isn't enough, huh?
Fine:
Daryl DeArman:
'I was addressing the concern that the Honda was to be
introduced as an alternative to a very good Kent, and that
it turned out to be something more than that. I disagree.
I believe that's exactly what it is.
A top shelf Kent is still has a performance advantage.'
Daryl in answer to this question: 'Then why aren't there
any in competition in either the pro series or at the
Runoffs?':
'Not the least of which is the cost to campaign that Kent
vs. the Fit given the number of hours involved in a serious
pro series campaign. The small advantage (2HP?) isn't worth
the additional cost and headache.'
FYI, he's saying the KENT has the small advantage in
horsepower.
Another actual competitor, Tom Valet:
'We did so because of the reliability, not the
performance. Our Kent that we ran at the Runoffs and in the
Pro series was faster than the car now with the Honda. I
know Tim swapped his Kent for reliability reasons as
well.'
Another actual racer, James Goughary
'Do you think Steve Bamford [another actual racer]
converted his spare Mygale to a Ford because he likes to
spend money? He will have a competitive advantage next year
and if the SCCA restricts the Honda even further he will
dominate. I truly believe that a good driver, with a good
team, with a good Ford engine, would be really hard to
beat. 30.5 is too small to win against a good Ford
package.
Oh, one more thing, someone mentioned throttle response.
Throttle response in the Honda flat out sucks! It is so
starved for air when you crack the throttle there is a huge
lag. Anyone else care to chime in on that one?'
FYI, the restrictor is still 30.5mm.
Steve Bamford, himself:
'The reason I bought & had the Kent car finished was
simply because I felt my Honda was out powered against
verses a few Kent powered cars going back to SCCA Majors
2013.
Running the Kent will cost me more $'s as it will take
more TLC however I personally think I might have an
advantage with the "right" engine.'
Andy Brumbaugh (another actual competitor):
'I think the engines are pretty darn close as it is. I
think there are plenty of other variables within the class
and the engine is just one of them. You can have different
shocks, chassis, suspension geometry, bearings, coaches,
engineers, etc. Leave it alone.
. Has anyone converted to a Honda and gone from the back
of the pack to the front just by switching the engine? None
that I know of. The engine isn't the issue.'
Greg Rice, racer and team runner of Rice Racing (often
time podium finishers in FRP F1600 racing):
'Adjusting the Honda is the way to make parity
adjustments. You just change a $2 plate that costs $30. The
challenge has been to establish what size that plate should
be. All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the
number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is
whether to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By
making all kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just
increasing the gap between the Hondas and the killer
kents.'
FYI, he's saying the Honda is disadvantaged to a "very
good Kent" with the current 30.5mm restrictor
John Grooms:
'I have owned and raced Honda and Ford powered FF's. My
perspective is that when I am racing I cannot tell which
engine the cars I am racing against are powered by. Of
course I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing
against but when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt
like the Ford guys had a significant advantage and when I
race my Ford powered car I don't feel like the Honda
powered cars have a significant advantage.'
REALLY? How old are those quotes?
reply into which they were originally provided.
Second, what does it matter?
The power possible in each engine hasn't changed since they
were written.
How many times must I explain the same thing to you?
"I know most of the cars and drivers I am racing against but
when I raced my Honda powered car I never felt like the Ford
guys had a significant advantage and when I race my Ford
powered car I don't feel like the Honda powered cars have a
significant advantage."
If true, how do you explain the incredibly poor 2022 record
of the Kent on the Ontario circuit.
The average Honda might be a little more powerful than the
"All the testing indicates somewhere around 31mm is the
number to match up to a very good kent. The debate is whether
to match up to the mediocre or good kents. By making all
kents better, or Hondas slower, you are just increasing the
gap between the Hondas and the killer kents."
Really, there is a huge enough difference in Kents to make
this a consideration? Where are the "killer Kents" today? Are
the SCCBC Kents "killer Kents". My take is that the Honda is
more powerful than the average Kent. If not, the "killer
Kents" would be winning competitive races in Ontario and the
Runoffs.
average Kent...
..but the lap record at Mission was set with a fresh Loyning
Kent that had even been optimized for our relatively low speed
corners (4 into 2 into 1 long tube headers: look it up)...
..and was only a tiny fraction (less than 0.5%) slower than
that.
I bought the Honda to have less effort racing, you little
My take is this. You spent how much (please remind us) for a
Honda powered FF thinking you would not gain anything on the
track? No. You did start winning more and placing higher.
The reliability of the Honda is a big plus, says so in the
quotes provided. I note that you did not, as requested,
supply links to those quotes. Maybe you just made them up?
shit.
A better engine to have for an entire season. Not faster on
Sorry, you say on the one had the Honda is a better engine,
race
the track, and in fact slower on some tracks, you little shit.
records support that, but you refuse to admit that it made aExcept for almost equalling the track record...
difference for you. Maybe you just are not a good enough
driver to take advantage of your new car.
..which had been set by a car...
..professionally prepared...
..with a fresh Loyning engine.
You conveniently ignore that, you little shit.
You lack any kind of personal integrity, you little shit.
Game over, I win. And I'm not resorting to calling you
names.
You get called those names because they're ACCURATE.
Let's see how your Johnathan Lee did in the 3 FRP races he ran
in
https://www.racefrp.com/schedule
Mid-Ohio 4/30/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #8 Gap 1:48 Race 1
#9 Race 2 #12 Race 3 #21 (#22 DNS)
Pittsburg 6/2/22 22 cars entered Qualifying #6 Gap 0.75 Race 1
#12 Race 2 #3 Race 3 #4
Summit Point 8/19/22 19 cars entered Qualifying #1 Race 1 #3 Race
2 #5 Race 3 #3
Still to come Pittsburg 10/15/22
So, he did place well in 2 of the 3. All of the other cars were
Hondas. What does this prove? A top form Kent can sometimes
compete well against Honda. Apparently, he was having issues at
Mid-Ohio.
How many of your SCCBC Kent competitors are up to the Johnathan
Lee standard?
Exposing more of your lies upset you?What lies, you little shit?
Would that be anything like your lie that you were done with this thread?
Anyway, I propose we settle this with SCCBC racing records.
I propose examining fastest lap times for all your races except the
rookie year. If you think the second year is not a good indicator
either I'll disregard that too. I would also throw out some outlier
races that were unusually slow. Given normal times in the 1:11 to
1:15 for the winner that seems like a good outlier indicator. I
think over 1:20 indicates a track issue that affected all speeds. Is
that a good break point? There was a weekend or two that the highest
time was 1:30+! I recall it was rainy.
I would also examine the lowest lap time differential between you andHow about we just look at drivers with the fastest laps ever around
the winner to see if you were closing the gap. For any races you won
that gap would zero. I will also examine coefficient of variation for
your Kent and Honda races to see if one was more consistent.
Mission, little shit?
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely
competitive with a Honda...
The means examination would be based on a means difference test, or I could use ANOVA, or both. They give the same result. The nullI'm sure a liar like you can find a way to make figures lie, you little shit.
hypothesis would be no significant lowest time difference at the 95% level. I would also do a time trend regression to see if times are trending lower or higher at the 95% level. Good results for your
argument would be no difference in times or if a difference the Kent
car was faster. Same if the trend shows no trend or a positive trend
for lowest best lap time.
I will publish all the data and details of the stats as reported by
the Excel Analyze-it stats package. If you don't want it reported to
CSMA I will send it to you alone.
To do this I need some information confirmed. Was your rookie yearNot interest in playing your game, you little shit.
2013? Was you first time out with the Honda on the weekend of
6/23/2018? Were there any other Hondas racing you at Mission from
2014 (or your second year if not 2014) to the present? If so, who and when? Did you run your Kent anytime after the transition to Honda?
Maybe the Honda in your car is really that much better. Also, and
correct me if I'm wrong, these speeds were in qualifying. Qualifying
is not the same as a race.
Over 2017-2018 I see Floer consistently running 1:11-1:12 fastest
laps. You hit 1:11.350 on the weekend of 7/14/2018. Floer won the
race with a 1:11.089. Most of your best race laps were 1-4 seconds
slower than Doug's best. Using a single lap in qualifying conditions
to make your point when your race record was very different is lying
of the worst kind.
Anyway, the real point you are making is that it takes a top-level
Kent to compete with a Honda with no special engine prep. Your race
record shows that in traffic you could not keep up with Doug. The
2017-2018 win record in the 20 races that you ran was:
Baker 1 McKay 2 Floer 17
If you are so damned good why did you only win one race when your car
was, as you show, capable of keeping up with his expertly prepared
Kent and car?
And, in your first 2019 race you won with a best lap of 1:13.777.
That's 2 seconds slower than a typical Floer pace. But Floer was not
there, was he? Later that year McKay and Bandfors dominated 1st
place. Absent Doug you did win 6 of the 22 races you ran. Doug's
record would have been very competitive with any of the best laps
that year.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
…
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely competitive with a Honda...…
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
…
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
But it’s not a sample of one.If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely competitive with a Honda...…
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
Better contemplate that mistake before making more missteps.
-hh
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:25:19 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But it’s not a sample of one.
……
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result >>>> when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely
competitive with a Honda...
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
Better contemplate that mistake before making more missteps.
-hh
It is one speed not backed up by later performance.
I have admitted that a Kent in great shape can compete with a Honda. My doubts are centered around how many of the current Mission Kents are in great shape.
On 2022-10-31 10:00, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:25:19 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But it’s not a sample of one.
……
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result
when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely
competitive with a Honda...
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
Better contemplate that mistake before making more missteps.
-hh
It is one speed not backed up by later performance.
I have admitted that a Kent in great shape can compete with a Honda. My doubts are centered around how many of the current Mission Kents are in great shape.The lap record holder did it in a 1994 Van Diemen...
...prepared by a professional race shop...
...with a fresh Loyning engine optimized for the Mission track...
...and my best lap is only a whisker behind his best.
That's just the facts, you lying little shit.
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-31 10:00, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:25:19 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:The lap record holder did it in a 1994 Van Diemen...
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 2:47:23 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But it’s not a sample of one.
……
First is Doug Floer in a professionally prepped RF94 with a fresh
Loyning engine at 1:10.533.
Second is me, with a 1:10.833.
If you'll explain how I can be a mediocre driver and achieve that result >>>>>> when I have shown time and again that a good Kent is definitely
competitive with a Honda...
No Alan, a sample of one is not a statistic.
Better contemplate that mistake before making more missteps.
-hh
It is one speed not backed up by later performance.
I have admitted that a Kent in great shape can compete with a Honda. My doubts are centered around how many of the current Mission Kents are in great shape.
...prepared by a professional race shop...
...with a fresh Loyning engine optimized for the Mission track...
...and my best lap is only a whisker behind his best.
That's just the facts, you lying little shit.
And your engine was as good as the best a Kent can do. That's the point you idiot.
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