• OT: A challenge for the liarboy.

    From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 25 14:25:43 2021
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)

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  • From STALKING_TARGET_19@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Sun Sep 26 03:17:44 2021
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 2:25:47 PM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)


    You can say I am President Trump for all I care.

    He is incontrovertibly flooding, he got caught and he's doing the familiar pranks taught in Intro to Trolling classes as he strives to be given what Rbowman already has... but it won't work. Rbowman can create a virtual
    machine. Rips what that Mac can do to shreds!

    -
    Get Rich Slow https://gibiru.com/results.html?q=Steve+Petruzzellis+%22NARCISSISTIC+BIGOT%22 Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Thu Sep 30 22:31:06 2021
    PSOn Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)
    PS I got my Pfizer booster shot on Tuesday this week. My local hospital had a very long line Monday or it would have been then instead.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Thu Sep 30 22:28:11 2021
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)
    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in attendance. Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.
    Go into a retail store without a mask.
    Go dancing at a club.
    Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.

    Your low case rate is attributable to a higher vaccination rate and past restrictions of freedom. Canada places less value on freedom than we do. Plus, your population is more rational when it comes to protecting yourself and others when an effective
    solution with low risk is available.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Sep 30 23:24:41 2021
    On 2021-09-30 10:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
    wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for
    cases is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>



    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in
    BC.

    :-)
    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in
    attendance.

    Something which is sure to get people killed, go on.

    Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.

    Great.

    Go into a retail store without a mask.

    And further spread COVID-19, got it.

    Go dancing at a club. Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.

    Your low case rate is attributable to a higher vaccination rate and
    past restrictions of freedom. Canada places less value on freedom
    than we do. Plus, your population is more rational when it comes to protecting yourself and others when an effective solution with low
    risk is available.

    And it has SAVED THOUSANDS OF LIVES.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Fri Oct 1 01:39:45 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 2:24:43 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-09-30 10:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
    wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for
    cases is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>



    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in
    BC.
    :-)

    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in
    attendance.

    Something which is sure to get people killed, go on.

    Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.

    Great.

    Frankly, I'm wondering why the criteria isn't an event that's within Indiana.
    Tom's example has a 600 mile driving requirement.


    Go into a retail store without a mask.

    And further spread COVID-19, got it.

    Because wearing a mask is a sign that's just as onerous as carrying Christ's cross?

    How many of those same retail stores allow me in without a shirt & shoes?
    Or for that matter, without pants?


    Go dancing at a club. Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.

    With, or without proof of vaccination as an entry requirement?

    Your low case rate is attributable to a higher vaccination rate and
    past restrictions of freedom. Canada places less value on freedom
    than we do. Plus, your population is more rational when it comes to protecting yourself and others when an effective solution with low
    risk is available.

    I find the "more rational" admission part to be quite humorous, as what Tom is really saying is that Canadians are not so stupidly selfish to make a big deal over what are often essentially quite minor concessions for the public good, but that yes, Americans really are just that stupid. Can't disagree with that.

    And it has SAVED THOUSANDS OF LIVES.

    Indeed it has. I forget if I've already posted this here within the past ~week,
    but its worth doing so again as a reminder of just how poorly some regions
    of the USA are taking care of their own populations:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2021/CoVid19-mortality2021-latest-chart.jpg>

    For point of reference, FL was #1, at 929 deaths/million for the period of 3/1/21-9/19/21,
    despite their undercount delay strategy. Here's the rest of the raw datapoints:

    FL 929
    MS 844
    LA 819
    AR 734
    GA 687
    KY 677
    AL 670
    TX 635
    NV 613
    SC 605
    MI 549
    OK 548
    DE 511
    WV 508

    National Average: 502 per million

    MO 496
    MT 486
    AZ 484
    NM 457
    NJ 442
    VA 436
    TN 431
    WY 427
    NC 419
    ID 418
    CA 390
    NY 390
    KS 383
    PA 376
    IN 373
    OH 357
    IL 350
    MA 337
    OR 323
    MD 319
    CO 303
    IA 295
    WA 294
    RI 292
    MN 270
    UT 266
    SD 240
    CT 231
    DC 213
    NH 211
    ME 209
    WI 206
    HI 194
    ND 185
    AK 174
    VT 151
    NE 149
    Puerto Rico 306
    Guam 284
    USVI 393
    N. Mariana 0

    As per the above illustration of mortality outcomes, I'd say that any region who's above
    the National Average shouldn't be used as example of where "freedoms" are working in
    balance to risks. Yeah, I'm directly referring to "full attendance" Athens GA football games...


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Oct 1 02:00:20 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 4:39:47 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 2:24:43 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-09-30 10:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
    wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for
    cases is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>



    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in
    BC.
    :-)

    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in attendance.

    Something which is sure to get people killed, go on.

    Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.

    Great.
    Frankly, I'm wondering why the criteria isn't an event that's within Indiana.
    Tom's example has a 600 mile driving requirement.
    Go into a retail store without a mask.

    And further spread COVID-19, got it.
    Because wearing a mask is a sign that's just as onerous as carrying Christ's cross?

    How many of those same retail stores allow me in without a shirt & shoes?
    Or for that matter, without pants?
    Go dancing at a club. Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.
    With, or without proof of vaccination as an entry requirement?
    Your low case rate is attributable to a higher vaccination rate and
    past restrictions of freedom. Canada places less value on freedom
    than we do. Plus, your population is more rational when it comes to protecting yourself and others when an effective solution with low
    risk is available.
    I find the "more rational" admission part to be quite humorous, as what Tom is
    really saying is that Canadians are not so stupidly selfish to make a big deal
    over what are often essentially quite minor concessions for the public good, but that yes, Americans really are just that stupid. Can't disagree with that.
    And it has SAVED THOUSANDS OF LIVES.
    Indeed it has. I forget if I've already posted this here within the past ~week,
    but its worth doing so again as a reminder of just how poorly some regions of the USA are taking care of their own populations:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2021/CoVid19-mortality2021-latest-chart.jpg>

    For point of reference, FL was #1, at 929 deaths/million for the period of 3/1/21-9/19/21,
    despite their undercount delay strategy. Here's the rest of the raw datapoints:

    FL 929
    MS 844
    LA 819
    AR 734
    GA 687
    KY 677
    AL 670
    TX 635
    NV 613
    SC 605
    MI 549
    OK 548
    DE 511
    WV 508

    National Average: 502 per million


    A quick note: a very partial revision to the above:


    54,353* FL 1,093 (was 929)
    9,214 MS 844
    13,418 LA 819
    7,445 AR 734
    24,577 GA 687
    8,251 KY 677
    13,210 AL 670
    62,484 TX 635
    6,845 NV 613
    2,009** MT 609 (was 486)
    11,614 SC 605
    2,907** ID 582 (was 418)


    Where:

    * = mortality shown on 10/1 for date of 9/19 .. was previously listed as 50,825 for 9/19 on 9/20.
    That's a +18% increase for the same end date.

    ** = manual change to end date (values on 10/1 for date of 9/30) for these two States.
    While all States will have had increased by some amount, this is just a "quick look" at two (MT, ID)
    based on news reports that there's been a bad CoVid outbreak there. The increase in period
    mortality over just the past 11 days (<2 weeks) is MT +25% mortality; ID +39% mortality.


    MO 496
    MT 486 <-- was here
    AZ 484
    NM 457
    NJ 442
    VA 436
    TN 431
    WY 427
    NC 419
    ID 418 <-- was here
    CA 390
    NY 390
    KS 383
    PA 376
    IN 373
    OH 357
    IL 350
    MA 337
    OR 323
    MD 319
    CO 303
    IA 295
    WA 294
    RI 292
    MN 270
    UT 266
    SD 240
    CT 231
    DC 213
    NH 211
    ME 209
    WI 206
    HI 194
    ND 185
    AK 174
    VT 151
    NE 149
    Puerto Rico 306
    Guam 284
    USVI 393
    N. Mariana 0

    As per the above illustration of mortality outcomes, I'd say that any region who's above
    the National Average shouldn't be used as example of where "freedoms" are working in
    balance to risks. Yeah, I'm directly referring to "full attendance" Athens GA football games...


    -hh

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  • From ed@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Oct 1 19:02:23 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 1:28:13 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact
    numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)
    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in attendance. Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.
    Go into a retail store without a mask.
    Go dancing at a club.
    Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.


    Don't get sick while you're in Athens... It ain't pretty. https://data.rgj.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/facility/piedmont-athens-regional-medical-center/110074/

    Your low case rate is attributable to a higher vaccination rate and past restrictions of freedom. Canada places less value on freedom than we do. Plus, your population is more rational when it comes to protecting yourself and others when an effective
    solution with low risk is available.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 04:53:54 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 1:28:13 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)
    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in attendance. Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.
    Go into a retail store without a mask.
    Go dancing at a club.
    Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.
    Don't get sick while you're in Athens... It ain't pretty. https://data.rgj.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/facility/piedmont-athens-regional-medical-center/110074/

    Georgia also has some reporting delays. Doing the same as above for checking back on their mortality as of 9/19, they're now saying 24,772 deaths for 705/M, up from 24,577 deaths for 687/m ... that's 195 more deaths than what had been reported just 10 days ago, most of which would have been in September.


    -hh

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Oct 2 05:27:22 2021
    On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 7:53:55 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 1:28:13 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
    Bearing in mind that your (Indiana's) current rolling average for cases
    is 53 cases per 100,000 people...

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/>

    ...and mine (BC's) is...

    13.1 (basically 4 times better).

    <https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/>

    For deaths the figures (respectively are)

    0.76 vs .09

    (ish, the BC website only has the chart; I can't hover for exact numbers, but I can limit the data displayed to get very close).

    That's more than 8 times better.



    Now tell me all the things you can do in Indiana that I can't do in BC.

    :-)
    Go to a Georgia football game Saturday with a sellout crowd in attendance. Can’t do that in BC. 50% BC capacity limit and the Georgia game is in Athens. We will be there.
    Go into a retail store without a mask.
    Go dancing at a club.
    Go to a wedding at a venue filled to capacity.
    Don't get sick while you're in Athens... It ain't pretty. https://data.rgj.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/facility/piedmont-athens-regional-medical-center/110074/
    Georgia also has some reporting delays. Doing the same as above for checking back on their mortality as of 9/19, they're now saying 24,772 deaths for 705/M,
    up from 24,577 deaths for 687/m ... that's 195 more deaths than what had been
    reported just 10 days ago, most of which would have been in September.


    -hh

    Lol

    I have no responsibility for those who choose to refuse to protect themselves. We are all vaccinated in our family. We don’t wear masks unless we have no choice.

    The stats matter in that vaccination rates matter.

    As a country we have decided to allow personal freedoms. Thank you Biden for promoting vaccination mandates. About time.

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