• Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Aug 14 17:50:34 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:

    ZDNet: *I asked Apple for all my data. Here's what was sent back*

    now do that with google.

    You can't comprehend this is a thread about Microsoft Windows 11 MSAs.
    Q: *Can/will Microsoft unilaterally destroy functionality on Windows 11*
    *if you (purposefully perhaps) do NOT periodically log into MS servers?*

    Why is it that you always claim Apple is just as bad as is Google on
    privacy when we're talking about Microsoft here, not Apple or Google?

    Stop playing games with us because you _hate_ that Apple is as bad as is
    Google on mothership tracking and lack of consumer privacy.

    Stick to Microsoft Windows 11 privacy, nospam.



    Even you should be well aware the iOS device is almost worthless if the key >> apps (such as the default SMS/MMS messenger app & App Store) are disabled.

    nothing is disabled.

    Almost nothing works unless you log into the mothership tracking server.
    Which is the entire point of this _Windows_ question.

    Can and will Microsoft disable everything on you like other companies do?

    Many key apps, including the App Store & the default text messenger are
    disabled by Apple unilaterally if you do NOT periodically log into the
    Apple tracking servers.

    that is false. nothing is disabled.

    at most, you might need to provide your password again.

    Jesus Christ.
    You're an idiot.

    First you say nothing is disabled and then you agree it won't work.
    At least when you defend Apple to the death, make _adult_ sense please.

    third party apps, which are outside of apple's control, can either save
    a token to maintain authentication (or save the password which is a bad
    idea but some do it), or they can require logging in each time, as is
    the case with banking apps.

    Again you prove to be an idiot nospam.
    First you claim a login isn't needed and then you say you knew it was.

    You can't even keep your excuses for the lack of privacy on iOS straight.
    But this isn't about iOS even as you are _desperate_ to make it about iOS.

    This is about Windows 11.
    If other companies can just destroy your computer - why can't Microsoft?


    If you don't know that basic fact of the requirement to log into Apple
    tracking servers, then you don't know the first thing about iOS.

    as someone who has written ios apps, i know far more about ios than
    you'll ever know.

    And yet you claimed the login isn't needed in one breath, and in the very
    next breath you claimed that the login is often needed.

    You can't even keep your myriad inane childish excuses straight nospam. Besides, it's proven Apple will unilaterally destroy your computer if you
    do NOT periodically log into the account (you said it yourself above).

    The question here isn't about iOS - the question here is about Microsoft.
    Q: Can/will Microsoft do the same unilateral destruction as others do?


    you couldn't even get android sample code to work.

    WTF does that (baseless claim) have to do with anything?
    Are you in kindergarten nospam?

    You _hate_ all facts about lack of privacy on Apple devices, so in order to rectify those facts about the lack of iOS privacy, you say I don't write
    code?

    WTF?
    How old are you nospam?

    Seriously.
    What grade are you in?

    You can't comprehend this is a thread about Microsoft.
    Q: Can/will Microsoft unilaterally destroy functionality on Windows 11
    if you (purposefully perhaps) do NOT periodically log into MS servers?

    But this thread isn't about iOS - this thread is to ask if Apple can
    unilaterally lock you out of the functionality of the device simply by NOT >> logging periodically into Apple tracking servers - why can't Microsoft?

    1. If you don't log into the iCloud, you can't use the key iOS apps.

    that's false.

    You can't even keep your excuses straight nospam.
    Above you said the login wasn't needed in one sentence, and in the very
    next few set of sentences you proved you _knew_ that is _is_ needed.

    You can't comprehend this question is not about the lack of iOS privacy.
    This question is whether Microsoft can/will follow in Apple's footsteps.

    2. If you don't log into the Apple servers, you can't download iOS apps.

    obviously. same for google and microsoft, from their respective stores.

    It's clear you _hate_ the lack of privacy on Apple servers just as much as
    we all hate the lack of privacy on Apple, Google, and Microsoft, nospam.

    However, the _difference_ which eludes you wacko iKooks, nospam, is:
    a. With Android, you can download _all_ the apps (every single one!)
    WITHOUT ever setting up a Google on-device account
    b. With Windows10/Ubuntu you can download the apps (almost every one!)
    WITHOUT ever setting up a Microsoft/Canonical on-device account
    c. With iOS, you can't.

    Besides, this isn't about iOS anyway (you're trying to make it about iOS).
    This is about Windows 11.

    The only reason for bringing up Apple was to show it _can_ be done.
    And that it is done.
    By Apple.

    The question here is:
    Q: *Can/will Microsoft unilaterally destroy functionality on Windows 11*
    *if you (purposefully perhaps) do NOT periodically log into MS servers?*

    3. Apple tracks you by maintaining a TREMENDOUS amount of tracking data.

    it's not 'tremendous' and it's nowhere near as much as google and
    facebook.

    You don't even realize you're always claiming Apple is just as bad in
    privacy as Google and Facebook, nospam when you excuse what Apple does.

    Notwithstanding you telling us what we already know about Apple being as
    bad as Facebook & Google on privacy, the Windows 11 question remains here:

    Q: *Can/will Microsoft unilaterally destroy functionality on Windows 11*
    *if you (purposefully perhaps) do NOT periodically log into MS servers?*

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Mon Aug 15 06:37:31 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <tdb93t$l1s$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    Even you should be well aware the iOS device is almost worthless if the key
    apps (such as the default SMS/MMS messenger app & App Store) are disabled.

    nothing is disabled.

    Almost nothing works unless you log into the mothership tracking server.

    that is false.

    everything that doesn't require icloud will work, which is nearly all
    apps because icloud is *optional*. it's also not a 'mothership tracking
    server' either.

    ios devices remain logged in, even after many *years* of inactivity.

    the last time you ranted about this, i decided to power up a 15 year
    old iphone and it did not require logging into anything.

    tl;dr your claim is demonstrably false.

    rest of your idiocy snipped.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 18 00:39:57 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    Yes, I know he is a mental case,

    understatement of the century.

    Is there even a _single_ person on this newsgroup with adult cognition?

    While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't even matter, moron.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

    *You can't fathom the FACT Apple _requires_ it is the point - you moron*
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Login is REQUIRED!

    You _hate_ how iOS works so badly that you can't fathom there is a logical difference between Apple _REQUIRING_ a login/password and whether or not
    you give Apple that login/password to log into what Apple requires you do.

    Every time you fabricate that I don't know the login/password it proves you
    are simply making up any imaginary excuse you can for how iOS truly works.

    HINT: If Apple never asked... I wouldn't need to provide it (you moron).

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 18 00:33:58 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    the problem 'arlen' has is that he has no idea what his password
    actually is, and worse, he used a disposable email fort the apple id,
    which means he has no way to reset the password.

    Will you please stop saying that fabricated made-up bullshit nospam.

    It's no longer shocking how little you iKooks know about iOS, nospam.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

    Either you are an idiot or a liar because what you say makes no sense.
    *You have no idea at all how iOS works - that much is clear.*

    HINT: While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't matter.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

    You can't fathom the FACT Apple _requires_ it is the point you moron.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Login is REQUIRED!

    You _hate_ how iOS works so badly that you can't fathom there is a logical difference between Apple _REQUIRING_ a login/password and whether or not
    you give Apple that login/password to log into what Apple requires you do.

    Please stop fabricating I don't have the correct login/password.
    *You fabricate that excuse only because you _hate_ how iOS works, nospam.*

    Everything you idiot iKooks say proves...
    a. You own a *low IQ* (you don't own adult logical comprehension)
    b. *You are ignorant* (you don't know even the basics of how iOS works)
    c. *You _defend Apple's flaws_ to the death* (you deny they track you)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Wed Aug 17 19:45:37 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tdjts7$13qj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    HINT: While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't matter.

    if that were true, you could easily log in so it can complete the
    update process, thereby resolving this particular problem.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Wed Aug 17 17:01:35 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2022-08-17 16:39, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    Yes, I know he is a mental case,

    understatement of the century.

    Is there even a _single_ person on this newsgroup with adult cognition?

    While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't even matter, moron. <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

    Apple doesn't track your activity, Arlen.


    *You can't fathom the FACT Apple _requires_ it is the point - you moron* <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Login is REQUIRED!

    Nope. It's only required for "Some account services".


    You _hate_ how iOS works so badly that you can't fathom there is a logical difference between Apple _REQUIRING_ a login/password and whether or not
    you give Apple that login/password to log into what Apple requires you do.

    Every time you fabricate that I don't know the login/password it proves you are simply making up any imaginary excuse you can for how iOS truly works.

    HINT: If Apple never asked... I wouldn't need to provide it (you moron).

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Aug 18 01:10:19 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    HINT: While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't matter.

    if that were true, you could easily log in so it can complete the
    update process, thereby resolving this particular problem.

    You either don't know how iOS works, nospam... or you _hate_ how it works.
    Pick one.

    I told you many times the whole point of NOT logging into Apple tracking servers is to _test_ what happens if you never log into them.

    You've never done that.
    I have.

    *The fact Apple _requires_ you to log into their servers is the point.*
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>

    You can't be that ignorant that you don't _know_ this simple fact, nospam.
    *So you must _hate_ that fact about Apple tracking you on their servers*

    Otherwise why do you deny what only a fool (or moron) could possibly deny?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Wed Aug 17 17:45:22 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2022-08-17 17:10, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    HINT: While I have the correct login/password, that doesn't matter.

    if that were true, you could easily log in so it can complete the
    update process, thereby resolving this particular problem.

    You either don't know how iOS works, nospam... or you _hate_ how it works. Pick one.

    I told you many times the whole point of NOT logging into Apple tracking servers is to _test_ what happens if you never log into them.

    You've never done that.
    I have.

    *The fact Apple _requires_ you to log into their servers is the point.*
     <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>
    You can't be that ignorant that you don't _know_ this simple fact, nospam. *So you must _hate_ that fact about Apple tracking you on their servers*

    Apple isn't tracking you on their servers.

    The simple fact is that like any other technology company that offers
    services, you need to identify yourself in order to receive them.

    If you simply want to use the phone as it is, you don't ever need to log in.


    Otherwise why do you deny what only a fool (or moron) could possibly deny?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 17 21:19:44 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tdk232$l3g3$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    If you simply want to use the phone as it is, you don't ever need to log in.

    nobody wants to talk to him

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