...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have
been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975
JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me.
And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet.
We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2
which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of
his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on
a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have
been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975
JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me.
And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet.
We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2
which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of
his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on
a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:Odder that you took the trouble to mention that you were not racing. Baiting a reply? I think so Liarboy.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have
been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975
JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me.
And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet.
We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2
which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of
his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on >> a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close
to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!Yup.
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle
on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have
been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975
JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me.
And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet.
We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2
which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of
his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on >> a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close
to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!Yup.
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle
on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a >>>> car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have >>>> been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 >>>> JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me. >>>> And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. >>>> We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 >>>> which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of >>>> his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on >>>> a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close
to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle
on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:Odder that you took the trouble to mention that you were not racing. Baiting a reply? I think so Liarboy.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a >>>> car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have >>>> been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 >>>> JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me. >>>> And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. >>>> We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 >>>> which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of >>>> his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on >>>> a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close
to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle
on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive on track with Hondas...
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor >>>> Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a >>>> car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle >>>> cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, >>>> and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have >>>> been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 >>>> JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me. >>>> And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I >>>> didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day >>>> given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. >>>> We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 >>>> which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of >>>> his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on >>>> a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close >> to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle >> on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, and I am faster
than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact we discovered when he asked
me to drive his car for one session of practice, and I was about 1.5
seconds a lap faster than he was.
On 2022-08-14 14:45, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:You take the trouble to seek out my results and comment.
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:Odder that you took the trouble to mention that you were not racing. Baiting a reply? I think so Liarboy.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor >>>> Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a >>>> car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle >>>> cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, >>>> and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have >>>> been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 >>>> JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me. >>>> And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I >>>> didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day >>>> given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. >>>> We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 >>>> which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of >>>> his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on
a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that aren't close >> to true because you're too lazy to actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe with Erle >> on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the worst tires I owned
we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
Isn't that stranger still?
Do I try to look up your flight logs?
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive on track
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend to
come as a spectator with a car corral of interesting
vintage machines from sports cars to muscle cars. Lots of
machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, and
there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am
car making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor,
I would have been running around all by myself except
perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who
could have slowed down just to play with me. And as there
were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a
lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and
enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at the
Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg
Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has always
been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his
father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5,
when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I can't
win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that
aren't close to true because you're too lazy to actually check
anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has
been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest
midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe
with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the
worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, and I am
faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact we discovered
when he asked me to drive his car for one session of practice, and
I was about 1.5 seconds a lap faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results that show
the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is confined to a few other
cars and drivers at a single track. Show us how good you are by
competing against more cars and drivers.
On 2022-08-15 05:55, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:15:55 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-14 14:45, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:You take the trouble to seek out my results and comment.
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:Odder that you took the trouble to mention that you were not
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend to
come as a spectator with a car corral of interesting
vintage machines from sports cars to muscle cars. Lots of
machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, and
there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am
car making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor,
I would have been running around all by myself except
perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who
could have slowed down just to play with me. And as there
were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a
lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and
enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at the
Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg
Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has always
been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his
father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5,
when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I can't
win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that
aren't close to true because you're too lazy to actually check
anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has
been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest
midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe
with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the
worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
racing. Baiting a reply? I think so Liarboy.
Isn't that stranger still?
Do I try to look up your flight logs?
Do you really think my flight records are easily discoverable on theFailure to actually answer the question.
Web?
Those flight records are in 5 paper logbooks at home and an Excel
copy on this PC and backed up on One Drive. My CAP flight activity is
in the online WMIRS system. Good luck accessing any of those. OTOH
you gave me the Speedhive link to SCCBC results. No seeking required.
You exaggerate the difficulty of finding the source SCCBC site. Took
all of a minute.
BTW, did you know that your Vancouver property tax records are aI'm not paranoid, Liarboy.
matter of public record and easily found on the Web? So are my Carmel records, and those include property transfer records, current
assessment, and how much we paid for the house 20 years ago. Just a
little tidbit to ponder in your paranoid mind.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive on track
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend to
come as a spectator with a car corral of interesting
vintage machines from sports cars to muscle cars. Lots of
machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, and
there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am
car making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor,
I would have been running around all by myself except
perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who
could have slowed down just to play with me. And as there
were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a
lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and
enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at the
Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg
Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has always
been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his
father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5,
when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I can't
win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that
aren't close to true because you're too lazy to actually check
anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has
been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest
midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe
with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the
worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, and I am
faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact we discovered
when he asked me to drive his car for one session of practice, and
I was about 1.5 seconds a lap faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results that showNo. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is confined to a few other
cars and drivers at a single track. Show us how good you are by
competing against more cars and drivers.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive on track
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend to
come as a spectator with a car corral of interesting
vintage machines from sports cars to muscle cars. Lots of
machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, and
there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am
car making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor,
I would have been running around all by myself except
perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who
could have slowed down just to play with me. And as there
were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a
lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and
enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at the
Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg
Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has always
been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his
father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5,
when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I can't
win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that
aren't close to true because you're too lazy to actually check
anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has
been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest
midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe
with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the
worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, and I am
faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact we discovered
when he asked me to drive his car for one session of practice, and
I was about 1.5 seconds a lap faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results that show
the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is confined to a few other
cars and drivers at a single track. Show us how good you are by
competing against more cars and drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars running Honda engines.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:21 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-15 05:55, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:15:55 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Failure to actually answer the question.
On 2022-08-14 14:45, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:You take the trouble to seek out my results and comment.
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:Odder that you took the trouble to mention that you were not
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend
to come as a spectator with a car corral of
interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every
weekend were out, and there were demonstration sessions
for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car making more noise than you
can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by
myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula
Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with
me. And as there were no points toward the club or CACC
championships, I didn't see a lot of point in what
would be something of a lapping day given the size of
the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away,
and enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at
the Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great
Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has
always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the
presence of his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC
#5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I
can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things
that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what
has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the
tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but
maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not
on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
racing. Baiting a reply? I think so Liarboy.
Isn't that stranger still?
Do I try to look up your flight logs?
Do you really think my flight records are easily discoverable on
the Web?
I'm not paranoid, Liarboy.
Those flight records are in 5 paper logbooks at home and an
Excel copy on this PC and backed up on One Drive. My CAP flight
activity is in the online WMIRS system. Good luck accessing any
of those. OTOH you gave me the Speedhive link to SCCBC results.
No seeking required. You exaggerate the difficulty of finding the
source SCCBC site. Took all of a minute.
BTW, did you know that your Vancouver property tax records are a
matter of public record and easily found on the Web? So are my
Carmel records, and those include property transfer records,
current assessment, and how much we paid for the house 20 years
ago. Just a little tidbit to ponder in your paranoid mind.
I did answer the question dufus. My flight logs cannot be found on
the Web. The info on you is easily discovered with minimal effort.
Your question is nonsense.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would have
been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975
JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play with me.
And as there were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a lapping day
given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night banquet.
We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2
which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of
his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put on
a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
On 2022-08-08 14:55, Alan wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia Historic Motor
Races. And it is easily the best weekend to come as a spectator with a
car corral of interesting vintage machines from sports cars to muscle
cars. Lots of machines you don't see on track every weekend were out,
and there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor, I would
have been running around all by myself except perhaps for Marty in his
1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just to play
with me. And as there were no points toward the club or CACC
championships, I didn't see a lot of point in what would be something
of a lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and enjoyed
talking with everyone during lunches and at the Saturday night
banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a plaque
in turn 2 which has always been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the
presence of his father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5, when I'll put
on a decent set of tires and see if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Bonne chance Alan !
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive on track
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has never been
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British Columbia
Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the best weekend to
come as a spectator with a car corral of interesting
vintage machines from sports cars to muscle cars. Lots of
machines you don't see on track every weekend were out, and >>>>>>>> there were demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am
car making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a competitor,
I would have been running around all by myself except
perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 Formula Atlantic, who
could have slowed down just to play with me. And as there
were no points toward the club or CACC championships, I
didn't see a lot of point in what would be something of a
lapping day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet away, and
enjoyed talking with everyone during lunches and at the
Saturday night banquet. We honoured the late, great Greg
Moore by installing a plaque in turn 2 which has always
been called the "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his
father and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC #5,
when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see if I can't
win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things that
aren't close to true because you're too lazy to actually check
anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against what has
been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at the tallest
midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, but maybe
with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and me not on the
worst tires I owned we'll still have a decent race.
:-)
very competitive with the modern Honda. I predict you win.
with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, and I am
faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact we discovered
when he asked me to drive his car for one session of practice, and
I was about 1.5 seconds a lap faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results that show
the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is confined to a few other
cars and drivers at a single track. Show us how good you are by
competing against more cars and drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars running Honda engines.Nope.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance is not
one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in engine performance.
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Nope.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, AlanAnd you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive
wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the
best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports
cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see
on track every weekend were out, and there were
demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by
myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3
Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just
to play with me. And as there were no points toward
the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot
of point in what would be something of a lapping
day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet
away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a
plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the
"Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father
and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC
#5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see
if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things
that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against
what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at
the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field,
but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and
me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a
decent race.
:-)
never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
predict you win.
on track with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer,
and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact
we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one
session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results
that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track.
Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and
drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited
exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars
running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda
is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance
is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues
that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the Honda
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
You realize that competitive is about
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize that
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to
reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable power
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize that
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce
more power and do it reliably?
You realize that OHC engines have
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
You
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you
bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races?
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Nope.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, AlanAnd you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive
wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the
best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports
cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see
on track every weekend were out, and there were
demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by
myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3
Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just
to play with me. And as there were no points toward
the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot
of point in what would be something of a lapping
day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet
away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a
plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the
"Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father
and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC
#5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see
if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things
that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against
what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at
the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field,
but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and
me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a
decent race.
:-)
never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
predict you win.
on track with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer,
and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact
we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one
session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results
that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track.
Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and
drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited
exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars
running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda
is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance
is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issuesBut we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two
of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines.
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled
engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail. >You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable power
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?Again: I explained that to YOU.
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce
more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed
to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore
one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races?I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and
I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:is as powerful as the Honda.
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Nope.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, AlanAnd you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive
wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the
best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports
cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see
on track every weekend were out, and there were
demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car
making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by
myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3
Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just
to play with me. And as there were no points toward
the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot
of point in what would be something of a lapping
day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet
away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a
plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the
"Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father
and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC
#5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see
if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things
that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against
what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at
the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field,
but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and
me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a
decent race.
:-)
never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
predict you win.
on track with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer,
and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact
we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one
session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results
that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track.
Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and
drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited
exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars
running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda
is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance
is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues
that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and
Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two
of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines.
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled
engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in
tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
moment in time that matters?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to
reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail. >>> You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable power
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?Again: I explained that to YOU.
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce
more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed
to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore
one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you
bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races?
larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and
I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top tune,
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore
one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Nope.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, AlanAnd you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive
wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports
cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were
demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3
Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just
to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot
of point in what would be something of a lapping
day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet
away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the
"Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father
and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see
if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things
that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against
what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at
the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field,
but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and
me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a
decent race.
:-)
never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
predict you win.
on track with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer,
and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one
session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results
that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track.
Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and
drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited
exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars
running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda
is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance
is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two >> of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled
engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in
tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to
reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce
more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed >> to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine >> and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much >> larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races?
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and
I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they
do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:Nope.
On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, AlanAnd you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive
wrote:
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, AlanThat's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
wrote:
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were
demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine.
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3
Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just
to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of point in what would be something of a lapping
day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet
away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the
"Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father
and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things >>>>>>>>>>>> that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to
actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares.And yet, here you are...
Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against
what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field,
but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and >>>>>>>>>>>> me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a
decent race.
:-)
never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
predict you win.
on track with Hondas...
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer,
and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one
session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results
that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track.
Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and
drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited
exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars
running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple
occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda
is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance
is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>>>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >>>> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two >>>> of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>>>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled
engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in >>>> tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >>>> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to >>>>> reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce >>>>> more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed >>>> to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine >>>> and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>> cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much >>>> larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>>>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races?
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and
I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>> cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
How did they get to be top level teams, Liarboy?
Hint, by winning lots of races running dependable Honda engines.
On 2022-08-25 14:23, Thomas E. wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:Nope.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive >>>>>>>>>> on track with Hondas...
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has >>>>>>>>>>> never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of point in what would be something of a lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things >>>>>>>>>>>> that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to >>>>>>>>>>>> actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares. >>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, here you are...Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against >>>>>>>>>>>>> what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, >>>>>>>>>>>> but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and >>>>>>>>>>>> me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a >>>>>>>>>>>> decent race.
:-)
predict you win.
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, >>>>>>>>>> and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one >>>>>>>>>> session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results >>>>>>>>> that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track. >>>>>>>>> Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and >>>>>>>>> drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited >>>>>>> exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars >>>>>>> running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple >>>>>> occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda >>>>>> is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance >>>>>> is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>>>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running >>>> well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >>>> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>>>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled >>>> engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in >>>> tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >>>> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to >>>>> reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce >>>>> more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed
to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>> cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore
one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>>>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races? >>>> I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and >>>> I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
How did they get to be top level teams, Liarboy?
Hint, by winning lots of races running dependable Honda engines.Nope. Completely and utterly wrong.
They were top teams BEFORE the Honda, Liarboy.
That's the POINT.
On 2022-08-25 14:23, Thomas E. wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:Nope.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive >>>>>>>>>> on track with Hondas...
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has >>>>>>>>>>> never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car
corral of interesting vintage machines from sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a
competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of point in what would be something of a lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during
lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things >>>>>>>>>>>> that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to >>>>>>>>>>>> actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares. >>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, here you are...Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against >>>>>>>>>>>>> what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, >>>>>>>>>>>> but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and >>>>>>>>>>>> me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a >>>>>>>>>>>> decent race.
:-)
predict you win.
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, >>>>>>>>>> and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one >>>>>>>>>> session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap
faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results >>>>>>>>> that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track. >>>>>>>>> Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and >>>>>>>>> drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited >>>>>>> exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars >>>>>>> running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple >>>>>> occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda >>>>>> is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance >>>>>> is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>>>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running >>>> well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >>>> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose
power due to wear and tear.
of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>>>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled >>>> engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in >>>> tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >>>> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to >>>>> reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to
fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce >>>>> more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed
to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>> cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore
one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>>>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races? >>>> I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and >>>> I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower
cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
How did they get to be top level teams, Liarboy?
Hint, by winning lots of races running dependable Honda engines.Nope. Completely and utterly wrong.
They were top teams BEFORE the Honda, Liarboy.
That's the POINT.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:36:39 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On 2022-08-25 14:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:Nope.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive >>>>>>>>>>>> on track with Hondas...
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has >>>>>>>>>>>>> never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> predict you win.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corral of interesting vintage machines from sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of point in what would be something of a lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, here you are...Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decent race.
:-)
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one >>>>>>>>>>>> session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap >>>>>>>>>>>> faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results >>>>>>>>>>> that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track. >>>>>>>>>>> Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and >>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited >>>>>>>>> exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars >>>>>>>>> running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple >>>>>>>> occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda >>>>>>>> is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance >>>>>>>> is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>>>>>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running >>>>>> well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >>>>>> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two >>>>>> of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose >>>>>>> power due to wear and tear.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>>>>>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled >>>>>> engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in >>>>>> tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >>>>>> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to >>>>>>> reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to >>>>>>> fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce >>>>>>> more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed >>>>>> to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine >>>>>> and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>>>> cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>>>>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>>>>>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races? >>>>>> I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much >>>>>> larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and >>>>>> I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
Nope. Completely and utterly wrong.That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they >>>> do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>> cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>>>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
How did they get to be top level teams, Liarboy?
Hint, by winning lots of races running dependable Honda engines.
They were top teams BEFORE the Honda, Liarboy.
That's the POINT.
BTW, I see you DNS'd Saturday. Losing interest are we?
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 12:36:39 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:tune, is as powerful as the Honda.
On 2022-08-25 14:23, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-19 06:11, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:19:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-08-18 20:02, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:02:41 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:But we were discussing ON-THE-TRACK performance, Liarboy.
On 2022-08-16 06:49, Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-15 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:Nope.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 3:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-14 14:44, Thomas E. wrote:No. I understand the REASONS as you do not.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:And you're back to claiming that Kents aren't competitive >>>>>>>>>>>> on track with Hondas...
On 2022-08-09 05:12, Thomas E. wrote:I REALLY doubt that. Erle with his ancient engine has >>>>>>>>>>>>> never been very competitive with the modern Honda. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> predict you win.
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:55:53 PM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:That's because it isn't an SCCBC event.
...and I'm OK with that.
This past weekend was the BCHMR: The British
Columbia Historic Motor Races. And it is easily the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best weekend to come as a spectator with a car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corral of interesting vintage machines from sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars to muscle cars. Lots of machines you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on track every weekend were out, and there were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration sessions for a McLaren M8F Can-Am car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making more noise than you can possibly imagine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But as I had suspected, if I had come out as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitor, I would have been running around all by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself except perhaps for Marty in his 1975 JM3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Formula Atlantic, who could have slowed down just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to play with me. And as there were no points toward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the club or CACC championships, I didn't see a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of point in what would be something of a lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day given the size of the field.
So I volunteered.
I got to watch the racing from less than 10 feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away, and enjoyed talking with everyone during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lunches and at the Saturday night banquet. We
honoured the late, great Greg Moore by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plaque in turn 2 which has always been called the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Moore corner" in the presence of his father >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and friends.
And now there are just under three weeks until CACC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5, when I'll put on a decent set of tires and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can't win a race or two.
:-)
Odd, the results are not even on the SCCBC site.
You're doing that thing again where you surmise things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that aren't close to true because you're too lazy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually check anything.
Why even mention this event? Nobody but you cares. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, here you are...Yup.
So, in a few weeks you are going to compete against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what has been a severely depleted 2002 field? LOL at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tallest midget!
And you're certainly right about the depleted field, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but maybe with Erle on the Hoosier Club Ford tires and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me not on the worst tires I owned we'll still have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decent race.
:-)
...and you're still wrong.
The Club Hoosier tire is faster than the American Racer, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I am faster than Erle in equal machinery. That's a fact >>>>>>>>>>>> we discovered when he asked me to drive his car for one >>>>>>>>>>>> session of practice, and I was about 1.5 seconds a lap >>>>>>>>>>>> faster than he was.
And you continue to ignore real world SCCA racing results >>>>>>>>>>> that show the Kent is obsolete. Your racing record is
confined to a few other cars and drivers at a single track. >>>>>>>>>>> Show us how good you are by competing against more cars and >>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
Clear avoidance of the issue of your bragging based on limited >>>>>>>>> exposure to a wider range of competition including other cars >>>>>>>>> running Honda engines.
Clear understanding that we have been over this issue on multiple >>>>>>>> occasions and I have explained to you repeatedly that while Honda >>>>>>>> is favoured for a variety of reasons, actual on-track performance >>>>>>>> is not one of them.
In short, Erle with his Ivey engine is at no disadvantage in
engine performance.
Bullshit. You have previously mentioned FF drivers with engine issues >>>>>>> that are preventing them from racing.
You also admit that the HondaI've admitted it is easier and less expensive to keep a Honda running >>>>>> well. But Erle has an Ivey engine, and Doug had a Loyning. Jay Ivey and >>>>>> Arnie Loyning (coincidentally, both located in Portland, Oregon) are two >>>>>> of the acknowledged masters of FF Kent engine tuning.
is more reliable than the Kent and not as likely to fail or lose >>>>>>> power due to wear and tear.
There was no short of on-track performance for either of those engines. >>>>>>
And Alan McColl might not be as acclaimed, but he is a very skilled >>>>>> engine builder with the skills and facilities to have kept his Kent in >>>>>> tip-top condition.
You realize that competitive is aboutReally? When two cars turn up to race, isn't it raw performance at that >>>>>> moment in time that matters?
more than just raw performance at a moment in time?
You realize thatI'm the one who explained that to YOU, Liarboy.
the Kent is modified to increase power while the Honda is derated to >>>>>>> reduce power?
You realize that engines modified to increase power,Yes, Liarboy. Which is irrelevant to how they perform when they don't fail.
especially pushrod engines turning more revs, are more likely to >>>>>>> fail?
You realize that modern ECM systems are more reliable powerAgain: I explained that to YOU.
producers than 40 year old purely mechanical tech?
You realize thatWhich is relevant... ...how?
Honda engines are so well built that they can be modified to produce >>>>>>> more power and do it reliably?
The FF Hondas run with sealed ECU and a restrictor that is widely agreed >>>>>> to leave them at a slight disadvantage in peak power.
You realize that OHC engines haveAnd that has what to do with the on-track performance of an older engine >>>>>> and a modern engine deliberately set to be equal at best?
taken over from OHV engines for very sound engineering reasons?
YouYup.
realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>>>> cost?
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>>>>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do.
You realize that you started to win on a regular basis ONLY AFTER you >>>>>>> bought a Honda powered car? You realize that ego does not win races? >>>>>> I realize that. It's not very relevant, but I realize it. There's a much >>>>>> larger factor that you've never even thought to consider, though.
I've now turned a faster lap in an FF than every driver save one, and >>>>>> I'm only 0.3 seconds off Doug's record, right? Doug's record is
1:10.533, and my fastest lap is 1:10.833.
You just admitted that the Kent is no longer competitive when including cost and reliability as metrics. That is my point. Also, engine breakage is just a symptom of other issues that can impinge performance. I do not contest that the Kent, in top
Nope. Completely and utterly wrong.That top teams use them is the reason Hondas win races as much as they >>>> do, Liarboy, not vice versa.
"You realize that you switched to Honda in part for reliability and lower >>>>> cost?
Yup.
It's why the top teams do it too (among other reasons), and is therefore >>>>> one of the reasons Hondas win as many races as they do."
How did they get to be top level teams, Liarboy?
Hint, by winning lots of races running dependable Honda engines.
They were top teams BEFORE the Honda, Liarboy.
That's the POINT.
WRONG AGAIN! They are top teams today because they switched to Honda. If they had stayed with Kent they would not be competitive.
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