• YoY market sales

    From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 12 09:09:20 2022
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Jul 12 09:57:48 2022
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".

    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines. ;-)

    In the meantime, I'm wrapping up lunch and listening to the cooling fan spin away in my
    Dell Latitude 5411 laptop (10th Gen i7) and pumping out a surprising amount of heat,
    considering that all I was doing was reading some news webpages in a web browser.

    Even if one wants to "but other background tasks", that's just MS-Teams & -Outlook
    running, with the most recent Teams message being 25 minutes old and Outlook having only received four (4) emails within the past hour...kinda hard to claim that
    that constitutes anything close to even a moderate (let alone heavy) workload.

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Jul 12 09:33:13 2022
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".

    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines.

    ;-)

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Jul 12 22:57:47 2022
    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>


    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by
    more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".

    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines. >> ;-)

    In the meantime, I'm wrapping up lunch and listening to the cooling fan spin away in my
    Dell Latitude 5411 laptop (10th Gen i7) and pumping out a surprising amount of heat,
    considering that all I was doing was reading some news webpages in a web browser.

    Even if one wants to "but other background tasks", that's just MS-Teams & -Outlook
    running, with the most recent Teams message being 25 minutes old and Outlook having only received four (4) emails within the past hour...kinda hard to claim that
    that constitutes anything close to even a moderate (let alone heavy) workload.

    The fact is, Windows is a resource hog. It was designed that way. It
    was never intended - in fact, it never occurred to the programmers who designed/built Windows NT 30 years ago - that Windows NT would EVER be
    running on batteries. It was designed as a Server OS.

    Thus, you boot up your Windows 10 laptop today, and before you do anything, there are 150 processes running using 1800 threads. 🙄

    2 years ago, I had a Surface Pro X. I wanted to see what Windows on ARM
    was all about.

    It was a joke. Yes, it had ARM CPUs. Eight of them. But they always ran
    at 3 GHz. They NEVER slowed down. Plus, some parts of the OS - and most
    of the included apps - were running Intel code in emulation. So much for battery life.

    For example, Edge browser was ARM native, and ran very nicely. But the background service that always was running, checking for Edge updates, was Intel code.

    How fucking retarded is that? Plus Notepad, WMP, Wordpad, Paint, etc. were
    ALL X86 code. The “worlds largest software company” couldn’t be bothered to assign a couple junior programmers to covert this stuff to ARM?

    Needless to say, I gave up and sold the Pro X on eBay. The hardware was
    very nice. As good as an iPad. But WOA was pathetic.

    WOA makes as much sense as iOS on Intel.

    The whole point of ARM is that the hardware drops down into very low power
    mode when nothing is going on. Thus it can go for 80 hours when idle and
    the screen is off.

    Windows will never be able to do that. Because there is never a time when nothing is going on.

    Maybe it is better now. I don’t know and don’t care. The whole concept of a “Windows tablet” is an oxymoron. Windows needs all the power it can get.

    And it needs it all the time. Not to mention that very little Windows
    software is useable without a keyboard and mouse. Not touch friendly at
    all.

    Don’t get me started on that.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jul 18 08:41:57 2022
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".
    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines.

    ;-)

    Interesting take on recent trends in the media's hyper-critical computer coverage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuDYexEzab4&t=415s

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Jul 18 10:35:00 2022
    On 2022-07-18 08:41, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".
    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines. >>
    ;-)

    Interesting take on recent trends in the media's hyper-critical computer coverage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuDYexEzab4&t=415s

    Sounds like he's talking directly to you, Liarboy...

    ...the one who rushes to post fabricated "controversies".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Jul 19 14:50:24 2022
    On 2022-07-19 14:42, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:35:02 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-18 08:41, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year" >>>>>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".
    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines.

    ;-)

    Interesting take on recent trends in the media's hyper-critical computer coverage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuDYexEzab4&t=415s
    Sounds like he's talking directly to you, Liarboy...

    ...the one who rushes to post fabricated "controversies".

    Whaaaaat???? :)

    You've already forgotten?

    Maybe COVID-19 has affected you more than you think.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Jul 19 14:42:50 2022
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:35:02 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-18 08:41, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-12 09:09, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year" >>>
    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".
    Apparently everyone "hates" the new "thermal issues" Apple Silicon machines.

    ;-)

    Interesting take on recent trends in the media's hyper-critical computer coverage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuDYexEzab4&t=415s
    Sounds like he's talking directly to you, Liarboy...

    ...the one who rushes to post fabricated "controversies".

    Whaaaaat???? :)

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Jul 28 21:07:58 2022
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    That’s strange. Apple Q2 earnings were announced today and Mac sales were down from 8.24 to 7.38 billion YoY. That’s about a 14% decline. Apple Watcher consensus was 8.74.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Jul 28 21:21:03 2022
    On 2022-07-28 21:07, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    That’s strange. Apple Q2 earnings were announced today and Mac sales were down from 8.24 to 7.38 billion YoY. That’s about a 14% decline. Apple Watcher consensus was 8.74.

    Apple's fiscal year is different than the calendar year that was the
    basis for Appleinsider's report of Gartner Research's numbers.

    So not strange at all that you were once again ignorant of the facts.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Jul 29 07:03:32 2022
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    Why did you ignore the IDC numbers cited in the article you quoted?????

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jul 29 07:02:41 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-28 21:07, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    That’s strange. Apple Q2 earnings were announced today and Mac sales were down from 8.24 to 7.38 billion YoY. That’s about a 14% decline. Apple Watcher consensus was 8.74.
    Apple's fiscal year is different than the calendar year that was the
    basis for Appleinsider's report of Gartner Research's numbers.

    So not strange at all that you were once again ignorant of the facts. As you know Apple no longer reports units sold, just dollar sales.

    There were no facts in the article, just estimates. The facts are in Apple's quarterly report that came out after the article was published on July 11.

    I read the article. It states:

    "While PC shipments have seen the sharpest decline in nine years, researchers suspect that Apple has seen nearly 10% growth year-over-year, shipping about 6.4 million Macs in Q2 2022."

    The Apple sales and profits report is for the same Q2 2022. Do you know the meaning of "suspect" and "year-over-year"?

    This AppleInsider article cited in the AppleInsider article you cited (and ignored by you Apple fanbois) estimates a sharp decline in Q2 2022 Mac sales: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/apple-slips-to-fifth-place-ties-with-asus-in-global-pc-
    market-in-q2-2022

    Quote:

    "Apple slipped to fifth place in total PC shipments during the second quarter of 2022 amid a broader decline in the entire market. Shipments of Apple's Mac fell by 22.5% year-over-year in Q2 2022. That's higher than the 15.3% hit that the entire PC
    market took during the same period, according to new data from research firm IDC. In total, global PC shipments fell to 71.3 million units. IDC says that it was the second straight quarter of lower shipments following two years of explosive growth during
    the coronavirus pandemic."

    Strange how you cite the favorable numbers and ignore an article FROM THE SAME SITE that better matches what Apple actually reported. Yawn, just another Baker lie by omission.

    Spin that Liarboy.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Aug 1 13:57:24 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-28 21:07, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    That’s strange. Apple Q2 earnings were announced today and Mac sales were down from 8.24 to 7.38 billion YoY. That’s about a 14% decline. Apple Watcher consensus was 8.74.
    Apple's fiscal year is different than the calendar year that was the
    basis for Appleinsider's report of Gartner Research's numbers.

    So not strange at all that you were once again ignorant of the facts.

    CY Q2 BTW is April-June. Both the Apple $ sales and the Gartner report are April-June numbers. The IDC Q2 unit estimates line up a lot better with the Q2 Apple $ sales numbers.

    So strange that once again you are not aware of the calendar.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 3 06:01:22 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-28 21:07, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    Been awhile since there's been any 'advocacy' news, so here's one.

    "Report shows Mac shipments grew in Q2, up 9.3 percent year-over-year"

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/07/11/report-shows-mac-shipments-grew-in-q2-up-93-percent-year-over-year>

    Contextually, up nearly +10% while the rest of the market is down by more than -10% .. clearly "doooooomed".


    -hh

    That’s strange. Apple Q2 earnings were announced today and Mac sales were down from 8.24 to 7.38 billion YoY. That’s about a 14% decline. Apple Watcher consensus was 8.74.
    Apple's fiscal year is different than the calendar year that was the
    basis for Appleinsider's report of Gartner Research's numbers.

    So not strange at all that you were once again ignorant of the facts.

    Is that egg I see on your face?

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