Did you hear about the unfixable hardware flaws in the M1 yet? <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unfixable+A14+M1+design+flaws>
That the _same_ unpatchable flaws are in the A14 indicates how poor Apple design team truly is (e.g., remember the power design that was so atrocious from Apple that they had to secretly backdate release notes just so that nobody would notice they secretly throttled phones with a new OS release!).
These new multiple unfixable hardware M1 & A14 flaws are yet more evidence that Apple has never designed a best-in-class SOC in its entire history.
It's hard to design when all your money goes into advertising that you pay for ARM technology and Qualcomm ICs and for TSMC to fab your flawed SOCs.
On 2022-06-15 00:56:40 +0000, Alan said:
On 2022-06-14 17:37, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Did you hear about the unfixable hardware flaws in the M1 yet?
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unfixable+A14+M1+design+flaws>
That the _same_ unpatchable flaws are in the A14 indicates how poor
Apple
design team truly is (e.g., remember the power design that was so
atrocious
from Apple that they had to secretly backdate release notes just so that >>> nobody would notice they secretly throttled phones with a new OS
release!).
These new multiple unfixable hardware M1 & A14 flaws are yet more
evidence
that Apple has never designed a best-in-class SOC in its entire history. >>>
It's hard to design when all your money goes into advertising that
you pay
for ARM technology and Qualcomm ICs and for TSMC to fab your flawed
SOCs.
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM chips.
On 2022-06-14 17:37, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Did you hear about the unfixable hardware flaws in the M1 yet?
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unfixable+A14+M1+design+flaws>
That the _same_ unpatchable flaws are in the A14 indicates how poor Apple
design team truly is (e.g., remember the power design that was so atrocious >> from Apple that they had to secretly backdate release notes just so that
nobody would notice they secretly throttled phones with a new OS release!). >>
These new multiple unfixable hardware M1 & A14 flaws are yet more evidence >> that Apple has never designed a best-in-class SOC in its entire history.
It's hard to design when all your money goes into advertising that you pay >> for ARM technology and Qualcomm ICs and for TSMC to fab your flawed SOCs.
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
On 2022-06-14 21:23, Your Name wrote:
On 2022-06-15 00:56:40 +0000, Alan said:
On 2022-06-14 17:37, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Did you hear about the unfixable hardware flaws in the M1 yet?
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unfixable+A14+M1+design+flaws>
That the _same_ unpatchable flaws are in the A14 indicates how poor Apple >>>> design team truly is (e.g., remember the power design that was so
atrocious from Apple that they had to secretly backdate release notes
just so that nobody would notice they secretly throttled phones with a >>>> new OS release!).
These new multiple unfixable hardware M1 & A14 flaws are yet more
evidence that Apple has never designed a best-in-class SOC in its
entire history.
It's hard to design when all your money goes into advertising that you >>>> pay for ARM technology and Qualcomm ICs and for TSMC to fab your flawed >>>> SOCs.
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM chips.
I hadn't read that. Got a link?
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
On 2022-06-14 21:23, Your Name wrote:
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM
chips.
I hadn't read that. Got a link?
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
On 2022-06-15 00:56:40 +0000, Alan said:
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM chips.
In message <t8bao9$4kl$1@dont-email.me> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Look, the shitgibbon trollboi hadn’t posted in days and finally posts
one message and THERE YOU ARE, ENGAGING WITH HIM.
Stop it.
Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little
chubby he gets and think again. Do you really want to be responsible for
the only sexual stimulation that obese naked troglodyte gets in his
life? Please, think of that image first.
Why answer it? Just encourages it to post blather again and again ...
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM >>> chips.
I hadn't read that. Got a link?
You just have to read past the clickbait.
It also requires physical access AND requires having already bypassed
other security.
Alan Browne wrote:
Why answer it? Just encourages it to post blather again and again ...
*And yet the fact remains the M1 has _multiple_ unpatchable hardware
flaws.*
Given every Axx CPU from Apple contains unpatchable hardware flaws, and
given even the so-called "secure enclave" contains unpatchable flaws...
The _adult_ question remains apropos:
Q: Has Apple ever (in its entire history!) designed a best-in-class SOC?
Bob Campbell wrote:
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all*
ARM chips.
Now both of you guys have just ruined trollboi's day. Well done.
Notice the iKooks call all facts about Apple, trolls.
Why?
Because they _hate_ all facts about Apple products.
That's why.
While the iKooks are _desperate_ to ignore all facts about Apple that they hate, it's interesting how they hate me simply for _telling_ them the
facts.
a. What's no longer surprising is the iKooks _hate_ facts about Apple.
b. Worse, the iKooks are _ignorant_ about those facts about Apple.
c. Worse still, the iKooks brazenly _deny_ all facts about Apple they hate. Which loops us back to iKooks basically hate all facts about Apple.
Meanwhile, the _adult_ point isn't that these M1 chips are designed with _multiple_ unfixable security flaws - but that the M1 (and likely the M2)
are NOT best-in-class SOCs given that those flaws exist in them (AFAIK).
Note: The A14 is also apparently included in at least some of these flaws.
What's interesting is always how ignorant the iKooks are of what Apple actually does, where they only know what Apple advertises that it does.
It ceases to be shocking how little iKooks know of Apple products because I have since realized all the iKooks own a low IQ, no education, and, most important of all, all iKooks have (understandably) very low self esteem.
Worse, the entire world (except, interestingly, the iKooks) knows about
these multiple hardware flaws in the M1 (and likely in the M2), which means that bad actors are likely actively hacking away to exploit these
unpatchable flaws just like they did when Apple's secure enclave chip was found to be irreparably flawed.
If you're _not_ an iKook, then click on this link for the basic details:
*MIT researchers uncover unpatchable flaw in Apple M1 chips* <https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/10/apple-m1-unpatchable-flaw/>
1. In 2021 an unfixable flaw was found in the Apple M1 design.
2. In 2022 another (_different_) unfixable flaw was found it the M1.
3. The M2 appears to use the same underlying design (read the article).
After the misleading attaention-grabbing headline, the real fact is
almost hidden away in the second to last paragraph at <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/new-pacman-flaw-in-apple-silicon-is-an-echo-of-spectre-and-meltdown>
Sorry, but you claim these AREN'T Apple's designs, remember?
Besides which, it's not actually an Apple flaw. It's a flaw in *all* ARM chips.
Now both of you guys have just ruined trollboi's day. Well done.
Your Name wrote:
After the misleading attaention-grabbing headline, the real fact is
almost hidden away in the second to last paragraph at
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/new-pacman-flaw-in-apple-silicon-is-an-echo-of-spectre-and-meltdown>
Notice how ignorant the iKooks are that there are _multiple_ (*different!*) unpatchable flaws we've been talking about since the start of this thread.
They think there's just one flaw and that it only affects one Apple SOC.
How wrong they (always) are indeed!
For the few _adults_ on this newsgroup, what would be a useful set of facts would be to list which Apple chips are affected by these _multiple_ flaws.
a. PAC (pointer authentication codes)
b. M1racles CVE-2021-30747
At least one of which gives the attacker full control of the machine
under exploitable circumstances (which is why they shouldn't be there).
An adult question is to ask which Apple SOCs are affected by these flaws:
1. We know the M1 has at least _two_ different unpatchable hardware flaws.
2. We are told the PAC flaws are likely also in the M1 Pro and M1 Max.
3. We also know the A14 is affected by at least this most recent H/W flaw.
4. And we know the M2 uses a "similar" (if not the same) PAC flow design.
What other Apple SOCs are affected by these _multiple_ hardware flaws? Specifically, does anyone know about the vaunted A15 hardware design?
Note that the iKooks are always shockingly completely ignorant.
A. They're unaware of the hardware flaws found about a year ago
B. And they're ignorant of the different new hardware flaws found now.
Yet the fact-based question deserves an answer so that we know which Apple SOCs are affected by these _multiple_ (different!) unpatchable hardware flaws.
Only an actual adult can answer that fact-based question correctly.
On 2022-06-16 13:38, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Your Name wrote:
After the misleading attention-grabbing headline, the real fact is
almost hidden away in the second to last paragraph at
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/new-pacman-flaw-in-apple-silicon-is-an-echo-of-spectre-and-meltdown>
Notice how ignorant the iKooks are that there are _multiple_ (*different!*) >> unpatchable flaws we've been talking about since the start of this thread. >>
They think there's just one flaw and that it only affects one Apple SOC.
How wrong they (always) are indeed!
For the few _adults_ on this newsgroup, what would be a useful set of facts >> would be to list which Apple chips are affected by these _multiple_ flaws. >> a. PAC (pointer authentication codes)
b. M1racles CVE-2021-30747
At least one of which gives the attacker full control of the machine
under exploitable circumstances (which is why they shouldn't be there).
An adult question is to ask which Apple SOCs are affected by these flaws:
1. We know the M1 has at least _two_ different unpatchable hardware flaws. >> 2. We are told the PAC flaws are likely also in the M1 Pro and M1 Max.
3. We also know the A14 is affected by at least this most recent H/W flaw. >> 4. And we know the M2 uses a "similar" (if not the same) PAC flow design.
What other Apple SOCs are affected by these _multiple_ hardware flaws?
Specifically, does anyone know about the vaunted A15 hardware design?
Note that the iKooks are always shockingly completely ignorant.
A. They're unaware of the hardware flaws found about a year ago
B. And they're ignorant of the different new hardware flaws found now.
Yet the fact-based question deserves an answer so that we know which Apple >> SOCs are affected by these _multiple_ (different!) unpatchable hardware
flaws.
Only an actual adult can answer that fact-based question correctly.
According you, there are not "Apple SOCs" and that there is only marketing.
Besides which *all* of the flaws (Spectre, Meltdown, Pacman, etc.)
found so far have been flaws that are found in *all* ARM CPUs.
Absolutely none of them are specific to Apple's chips.
The problem is the useless media tends to use Apple as an
attention-grabbing headline which is all that idiot bothers to read
because he can't actually read more than a few words.
Your Name wrote:
Besides which *all* of the flaws (Spectre, Meltdown, Pacman, etc.)
found so far have been flaws that are found in *all* ARM CPUs.
Absolutely none of them are specific to Apple's chips.
Remember the subject line above.
Understand that Apple struts around like a peacock advertising how "great" they are at design... so... yes... the fact Apple _sucks_ at design _is_ a big deal.
You just hate that fact.
And you were ignorant of that fact too.
It's who you are.
And what you'll always be.
However, you bring up a possibly good point that maybe other manufacturers have the same flaws - but I'm not so sure _both_ unpatchable flaws are in
all ARM chips - but they're certainly in the Apple well-advertised M1/M2 SOCs.
Which means Apple _sucks_ at SOC design.
The whole point is that Apple is so incompetent at design that they have never made any SOC that does _not_ have unpatchable hardware flaws.
Look at the subject line please. That's what this thread is about.
Apple has _never_ made a best-in-class SOC, and no, if both the M1 and M2 have known unpatchable hardware flaws, then they're just crappy designs.
Apple spends likely ten to a hundred times more in _advertising_ that they fab'd the chips (which is a bold-faced lie) than in actual chip design.
The problem is the useless media tends to use Apple as an
attention-grabbing headline which is all that idiot bothers to read
because he can't actually read more than a few words.
If you strutted around like Apple does spending hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars a year touting how "great" you are at design...
And if _every_ single one of your chips had hardware flaws in them... literally proving that Apple _sucks_ at chip design...
Then it's _correct_ for the media to call out Apple on their bullshit.
You just were _ignorant_ of the facts and you _hate_ these facts.
That's all there is to you.
a. You're ignorant of the facts.
b. When someone tells you the facts, you deny them.
Why?
I don't know why.
I suspect you hate all facts about Apple because what Apple does is never what Apple told you it was.
On 2022-06-23 21:48, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Your Name wrote:
Besides which *all* of the flaws (Spectre, Meltdown, Pacman, etc.)...
found so far have been flaws that are found in *all* ARM CPUs.
Absolutely none of them are specific to Apple's chips.
Remember ...
But you have insisted that Apple DIDN'T design their chips, Arlen.
However, you bring up a possibly good point that maybe other manufacturers have the same flaws - but I'm not so sure _both_ unpatchable flaws are in all ARM chips - but they're certainly in the Apple well-advertised M1/M2 SOCs.
And you don't want to even look, do you?
On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-06-23 21:48, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Your Name wrote:
Besides which *all* of the flaws (Spectre, Meltdown, Pacman, etc.)...
found so far have been flaws that are found in *all* ARM CPUs.
Absolutely none of them are specific to Apple's chips.
Remember ...
But you have insisted that Apple DIDN'T design their chips, Arlen.
Heh!
However, you bring up a possibly good point that maybe other manufacturers >>> have the same flaws - but I'm not so sure _both_ unpatchable flaws are in >>> all ARM chips - but they're certainly in the Apple well-advertised M1/M2 >>> SOCs.
And you don't want to even look, do you?
I think that a broader question to ask is:
Q: what contemporary CPU hasn't eventually had some security flaw or another identified?
Because if one thinks about it, there's been a lot contemporary research specifically to try to find & exploit security holes in everyone's stuff.
As such, what justifies finger-pointing to only Apple? Are they *really* unique in being
the only company using (or designing) a design that is in some way flawed?
IMO, probably not.
I think that it is fair to say that given enough time looking, someone will eventually
find some sort of security flaw or another in every CPU/etc that's worth looking at.
Time is a key element here: it takes time to go find a vulnerability, so chips with new/
altered architectures are figuratively "protected" for awhile, but not because they're
inherently more secure: its because "security through obscurity" which eventually expires.
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